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redsunshinedasiy · 2022-09-19T13:10:47+00:00

Kudos to Anne who went against tradition and stood up front with her brothers and walked (and also to all the grandchildren who did the vigil) but it's a shame to see all the other females in the funeral stay crawling slowly in a car while all the men walked, just seems so old fashioned (particularly when Anne has gone against it and she is the eldest female!!)

Papirus · 19/09/2022 16:27

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 19/09/2022 16:24

Not a case of ‘mums having to look after their children’, nor is it likely to be about childcare/nanny issues.

It is wanting to be there for them on a sad occasion when they’ve lost their Great Gran. Maybe to be of comfort. Maybe to explain what is happening. Probably both.

Their dad is rightly part of this parade as son of the King and heir to the throne so he is otherwise engaged.

So laugh away while they are grieving and are doing what parents do, especially when they are still small.

And aye. Sometimes only a parent will do properdoughnut

Also, just like in our world, which "obviously" we're not allowed to consider, it's possible mums sometimes use the DC as an excuse to get out of something they didn't want to do

JOFFCV · 19/09/2022 16:27

BlancmanegeBunny · 19/09/2022 15:46

The Queen herself approved every detail of the funeral plan, who wpyld walk in parades etc was down to her. The Family would not go against her plan.

This.

But of course some MNers think they could have arranged her funeral better than herself.

Bloodyusernamechangefailagain · 19/09/2022 16:30

Not possible in those heels!

C8H10N4O2 · 19/09/2022 16:30

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 19/09/2022 15:50

Zara, Eugenie, Beatrix and Sarah Chatto all had their counterparts walking and none seemed to have children with them. They all have staff including nannies.

Who are Beatrice and Eugenie's counterparts?

The male grandchildren and the male nephew.

youlightupmyday · 19/09/2022 16:30

gogohmm · 19/09/2022 14:27

@redsunshinedasiy

There were women pulling the gun carriage (first time ever) for instance but they wear the same uniform as the men.

Dd knows someone (female) taking part too

I noticed that. Loved it

Spinninggyro · 19/09/2022 16:32

A state funeral has a strong military presence. There was a higher proportion of women than ever before (last state funeral Winston Churchill). I saw a lot of females but they are hard to spot.

C8H10N4O2 · 19/09/2022 16:36

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 15:53

I am laughing at the idea the mums all have to look after their children. Dads can't obviously. And there is no such thing as a full-time nanny or other staff.

The Royal Family never need to worry about childcare. There is always someone to take on that role.

Amazingly Peter Philips seems to have managed to take part without a wife staying back to look after the children (who apparently were there - my mistake on that one).

I'm bemused at the tying in knots to try and invent a logic which explains the women staying back whilst the men march other than simple sexism. All the Queen's male grandchildren walked, all the granddaughters were assigned to cars.

If you think its right that women stay back in these situations then fine, but own it - don't pretend its because of some convoluted rule set which doesn't exist.

35965a · 19/09/2022 16:38

Maybe they just didn’t want to walk. I wouldn’t want to.

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 19/09/2022 16:40

35965a · 19/09/2022 16:38

Maybe they just didn’t want to walk. I wouldn’t want to.

Nor would I.

Charlespen · 19/09/2022 16:40

Do you think they just said ‘I’m good, thanks, will, I’ll go in the car.’

Why are people so desperate to convince themselves it’s just like Aunty Mary’s funeral?

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 19/09/2022 16:43

Hopeandlove · 19/09/2022 14:12

they were wearing heels and Kate was looking after two young children as was summer and Sophie. - and yes 14 is young

Who is Summer?

bellac11 · 19/09/2022 16:45

C8H10N4O2 · 19/09/2022 16:36

Amazingly Peter Philips seems to have managed to take part without a wife staying back to look after the children (who apparently were there - my mistake on that one).

I'm bemused at the tying in knots to try and invent a logic which explains the women staying back whilst the men march other than simple sexism. All the Queen's male grandchildren walked, all the granddaughters were assigned to cars.

If you think its right that women stay back in these situations then fine, but own it - don't pretend its because of some convoluted rule set which doesn't exist.

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You would have a valid point if Anne hadnt 'broken' the protocol (if there was one about women) many funerals before

She has been walking behind a procession for several funerals now

Only 4 of the male grandchildren walked, the youngest one is old enough to do so, so that says to me its about the kings children and the oldest grandchild.

I dont know how the others are to be honest

charliee112 · 19/09/2022 16:45

I wouldn't walk it either!

Charlize43 · 19/09/2022 16:45

MassiveSalad22 · 19/09/2022 14:47

There were LOADS of women in the parade!! What are you on about! I was saying to DH I was surprised how many there were. To the point I thought one whole section in front of the gun carriage was all women (except for the really tall guys immediately in front of course). But on closer inspection there were about 50% men in there too.

^This. But some people see sexism in everything. We are mourning a woman ffs!

Drivebye · 19/09/2022 16:46

Actually it struck me a few days ago how most of the people involved are men. Guarding the coffin, doing the sermons, all others in outfits walking along. I noticed some women sailors pulling the coffin but generally very few, very disappointing.

Tbh I think despite the changes the RF is sexist, women have a defined role and dress and act in a certain way.

bellac11 · 19/09/2022 16:49

Drivebye · 19/09/2022 16:46

Actually it struck me a few days ago how most of the people involved are men. Guarding the coffin, doing the sermons, all others in outfits walking along. I noticed some women sailors pulling the coffin but generally very few, very disappointing.

Tbh I think despite the changes the RF is sexist, women have a defined role and dress and act in a certain way.

Why would joining the military be attractive to women?

There were a fair few in the procession Im surprised people didnt spot them but its not generally a career enjoyed or desired by women. Certainly not my cup of tea

GucciPearls · 19/09/2022 16:51

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TheLassWiADelicateAir · 19/09/2022 16:52

Charlespen · 19/09/2022 16:40

Do you think they just said ‘I’m good, thanks, will, I’ll go in the car.’

Why are people so desperate to convince themselves it’s just like Aunty Mary’s funeral?

You see, I'd see it the other way round- the men have no choice at all. Anne chose to walk- we don't know if the other women were in the cars because no choice or because it was their preference.

CallMeLinda · 19/09/2022 16:52

Drivebye · 19/09/2022 16:46

Actually it struck me a few days ago how most of the people involved are men. Guarding the coffin, doing the sermons, all others in outfits walking along. I noticed some women sailors pulling the coffin but generally very few, very disappointing.

Tbh I think despite the changes the RF is sexist, women have a defined role and dress and act in a certain way.

Until less than 10 years ago, had the Queen had a younger brother, she would have not been Queen at all.

I don't think it's particularly surprising that the institutions are all led by males. It's fairly recent in history that women can be clergy (1994) or fight in frontline combat in the military. It takes time for these recent changes to start to affect the top. Of course the person who conducts state funerals is going to be male, because the length of time/criteria needed to reach the position is going to exclude women for a fairly significant time after they are permitted to be ordained.

CallMeLinda · 19/09/2022 16:53

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What do you mean by "white people can't have anything?"

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 19/09/2022 16:54

On the ethnic make up 84.8% of the population of England and Wales is white; in Scotland it's 92%- so yes, there will be a lot of white people.

DomesticShortHair · 19/09/2022 16:59

Well, I’m absolutely disgusted the Royal Household didn’t check with MN first about how they should conduct the State Funeral of their head/mother/grandmother.

At the very least, the recently bereaved King Charles should have posted a few questions in AIBU, just to get the basics as to what would be considered acceptable.

MsBucket · 19/09/2022 17:05

Hearthnhome · 19/09/2022 14:15

Quite possibly they didn’t because Anne did. It’s more striking when she was the only one.

Perhaps the women didn’t want to? Maybe they wanted the focus on Anne. Maybe the Queens Granddaughters doing it in heels wasn’t what they wanted

The grandkids did the guard of Princes all together for the first time. Anne was also the first woman to do that and the grand daughters followed suit. Maybe they made a decision that worked for them as a family.

This pretty much sums up everything. It’s almost as though people need to find reasons to be unhappy with something.

Surtsey · 19/09/2022 17:06

LemonDrizzles · 19/09/2022 14:35

I was also playing spot the female, but from the pre parade and post.

Interestingly we make up 1/2 of the population.....

Couldn't tell from the parades....

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The first lesson during the funeral was read by the Secretary General of the Commonwealth - a woman; followed by a specially commissioned piece of music written by the Master of the King's Music - another woman; followed by the second lesson, read by the Prime Minister - another woman.

Shall I go on?

Hearthnhome · 19/09/2022 17:10

Drivebye · 19/09/2022 16:46

Actually it struck me a few days ago how most of the people involved are men. Guarding the coffin, doing the sermons, all others in outfits walking along. I noticed some women sailors pulling the coffin but generally very few, very disappointing.

Tbh I think despite the changes the RF is sexist, women have a defined role and dress and act in a certain way.

There’s been loads of women involved. Especially since female numbers in the armed forces are relatively low.

The armed forces are mainly white men. If you want to discuss representation in the armed forces and how it can be improved, that’s a different conversation.

Today the representation of women was good. I have no idea why people want to take that away from the woman (and PoC) who have been part of the funeral.

it’s so belittling ‘oh I saw the odd woman. Still wasn’t enough. It’s not good enough’