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I predict a massive backlash to all this mourning once the funeral is over

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FayeGovan · 15/09/2022 22:18

So far the media is all about how we are grieving as a nation and no other voices are tolerated.

Its a pretence that will come back with a vengeance.

The country hasn't been in such a bad way for a long long time and millions have been spent on mourning someone many of us had no interest in.

Its wearing thin and we aren't at Monday yet....

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Arbesque · 16/09/2022 08:47

FayeGovan · 15/09/2022 22:18

So far the media is all about how we are grieving as a nation and no other voices are tolerated.

Its a pretence that will come back with a vengeance.

The country hasn't been in such a bad way for a long long time and millions have been spent on mourning someone many of us had no interest in.

Its wearing thin and we aren't at Monday yet....

This isn't a Princess Diana scenario. People aren't out weeping and wailing in the street, demanding that grieving children be dragged out in public and generally behaving like selfish drama Queens.
It's all been quite dignified and ceremonial and what people have been expecting for years.

Yes, some businesses and services are making ridiculous decisions but they're bring roundly criticised for it.

cakeorwine · 16/09/2022 08:50

I don't think we will see a backlash - I also don't think we will see anything like this again for Charles. The Queen was so different and reigned for a long time in a changing world.

Charles won't have the time to make such an impact. And more and more countries will lose him as their Head of State as they become Republics.

midsomermurderess · 16/09/2022 08:51

How much money do you save by turning off a radio?
I just dip in and out when I feel like it. Surely you can too, or dip out entirely. I’m tired of these addressing a public meeting posts this site is increasingly full of. Most aching dull and vapid.

KermitlovesKeyLimePie · 16/09/2022 08:52

@Mfsf

Anyway the U.K. has never been in such bad conditions

I think history would beg to differ.

Yes, things are bad but nothing like a bit of hyperbole to whip up the crowd eh?

NecklessMumster · 16/09/2022 08:54

I've had 2 emails this week, one from Liberty stating the right to protest is under threat strengthened by current mood (people arrested for placards etc) and one from Humanists warning increased religion hold on state (telegraph calling Starmer atheist)

cakeorwine · 16/09/2022 08:54

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/09/2022 08:41

I think there will be too.

Theres been no other voice or opinion allowed. ( anti monarchists arrested fgs)

Bring it on is all l can say. The country is collapsing and this charade keeps going.

Time for a change.

It's ironic.

The Daily Mail complains about cancel culture and academics being silenced and people who self censor their views because they fear a backlash. They highlight people who receive death threats for their views and say that's not right.

They then highlight and complain about people who have criticised the Monarchy and people have self censored their views because they fear a backlash. Jedward apparently received death threats for posting their views and a shop was attacked by people because the owner expressed her views on the Queen's death

Novella4 · 16/09/2022 08:57

@LovingTheseAutumnSnippets
Your post is oversimplied and uninformed .

Saying the monarchy is 'undemocratic' means they are imposed on us . There is a substantial group who do not recognise thei monarchy. You can say it's 'democratic ' once there is a vote on whether they stay or not and the pro monarchy side wins .
Yet this is constantly dismissed by monarchist. Why ? They will have the weight of state propaganda in their favour just as they do now . What are they worried about ?

Re the queens power : the guardian had been fighting for years to get access to information to prove that the queen , who got first sight of new laws, used that privilege hundreds of times to make sure she was given special exclusion from any law she didn't like .
Not only do the royals use power , they used it secretly and purely for their own benefit

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vetted-more-than-1000-laws-via-queens-consent

vera99 · 16/09/2022 08:58

And then this good meaning as it obviously is will linger long past the bank holiday....

I predict a massive backlash to all this mourning once the funeral is over
ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/09/2022 08:59

*Anyway the U.K. has never been in such bad conditions

I think history would beg to differ.

Yes, things are bad but nothing like a bit of hyperbole to whip up the crowd eh?*

The poster just needed to addThe U.K. has never been in such a bad way, WW2’

Where’s the hyperbole in that? It’s true. It’s worse than the 70’s

Alltheprettyseahorses · 16/09/2022 08:59

MarshaMelrose · 16/09/2022 02:52

I keep reading posters saying Charles has done nothing. Rather than just repeating something that is so factually wrong, why don't you go borrow a book from the library and actually read what he has done during his time as PoW. I guess you won't, though, because you're scared to challenge your own thinking.

There are no libraries within an hour's walk from me. Why don't you tell us what he's done instead?

Tell you what, I'll buy some cheap books off ebay or Abe. Any recommendations? So far I've found:
Rebel Prince by Tom Bower
And What Do You Do by Norman Baker
Charles, The Alternative Prince by Edzard Ernst
The Palace Papers by Tina Brown
Running The Family Firm by Laura Clancy
Royal Service: My Twelve Years As Valet To Prince Charles by Stephen Barry
A Royal Duty by Paul Burrell
The Royals by Kitty Kelley

Any others to add?

ChillyFloss · 16/09/2022 09:00

"So far the media is all about how we are grieving as a nation and no other voices are tolerated."

This ^^ There was an article in the Daily Misogyny the other day about some film director daring to suggest that there was more voting involved in his award than with the monarchy. The DM were "moderating" (censoring??) the comments section so all the comments were variations of "Shoot him". 🙄The guy was stating a fact FGS.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/09/2022 09:00

My local library was closed down when austerity was brought in.

theworldhas · 16/09/2022 09:00

@vera99

Their biggest problem is indifference.

I think this is spot on. When it does go be it in 20 years or 200 years it won’t be with a bang but with a “meh”.

The signs are already worrying for Charles. The Queen knew what the game was all about - doing nothing. The very occasional smile or witty comment, but otherwise just looking royal and nodding politely and carrying out her daily schedule with zero fuss and zero drama.

Sure, Charles is understandably under stress now, but he’s been caught on camera getting irritable and tetchy - looking all too human you might say - twice in a week. And we know that keeping his head above the fray isn’t in his nature. He wants to be leading on things like the environment. His personality is incompatible with this role on more than one count. But of course there’s no chance his reign will signal the end of the monarchy - as he’s simply too old. But there’s a chance that when William takes the throne his confirmation will get a much more lukewarm reception.

I expect we’ll still have a monarchy in 100 years, as the British see it as something “special” that, say, the French/Germans/Americans etc don’t have. And, especially with first past the post, it’s simply not an issue worth campaigning on for any political party.

But I expect it will be lower profile, none of the celebrity stuff anymore. Just as the most powerful Lords and Ladies used to be known to the masses but are now largely non-entities. Though, that said, if and when there is a real uprising against the particularly high levels of economic inequality in Britain, they may present an easy target.

apintortwo · 16/09/2022 09:01

When mourning ends, reality will hit hard

Please stop reading The Guardian! The amount of venom they keep on spouting is ridiculous.

Let decent people mourn in peace, they are not interested in what a few MNs think

BroomHandledMouser · 16/09/2022 09:03

dropthevipers · 15/09/2022 23:06

Vegetable rights and peace.

I totally read that in Neil’s voice 🤣

Withernsea1959 · 16/09/2022 09:03

Watch it on TV it doesn't look like they change every 20 minutes to me, I only watched it because I wanted to see if I knew any of the MUPPETS spending hours queuing up and spent 30 seconds walking past the coffin. 🤣

Alexandra2001 · 16/09/2022 09:06

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/09/2022 08:59

*Anyway the U.K. has never been in such bad conditions

I think history would beg to differ.

Yes, things are bad but nothing like a bit of hyperbole to whip up the crowd eh?*

The poster just needed to addThe U.K. has never been in such a bad way, WW2’

Where’s the hyperbole in that? It’s true. It’s worse than the 70’s

We might disagree on cyclists but ^this with bells on!!!

Have to go back 50 years to find the UK in such a bad way compared to competitor countries.

Not least in healthcare and sewage dumping, also relations with our european allies at very low levels of trust.

Aiionwatha · 16/09/2022 09:06

No. Because this will generate a lot more money for the country than it will cost.

DownNative · 16/09/2022 09:09

cakeorwine · 16/09/2022 08:54

It's ironic.

The Daily Mail complains about cancel culture and academics being silenced and people who self censor their views because they fear a backlash. They highlight people who receive death threats for their views and say that's not right.

They then highlight and complain about people who have criticised the Monarchy and people have self censored their views because they fear a backlash. Jedward apparently received death threats for posting their views and a shop was attacked by people because the owner expressed her views on the Queen's death

Jedward were commenting on a highly politicised and sensitive issue in a highly clumsy way obviously designed to provoke.

I find it very difficult to believe they've no idea its NOT in the King's power to give away Northern Ireland. The Belfast Agreement is 100% explicitly clear on this point. If you want to argue Jedward haven't read it, all the more reason they should not have posted anything in relation to Northern Ireland. Of course, there would be someone who would issue a death threat though I personally haven't seen any. It's a live wire they're better off not shit stirring unnecessarily.

You must be referring to the chip shop owner in Muir Of Ord. She was revelling in the Queen's death with a disrespectful blackboard "Lizard Lizzie". The locals let her know what they thought. She's likely to lose business.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean Freedom from consequences.

Novella4 · 16/09/2022 09:09

@apintortwo
Facts. Not venom .
And people will read what they like .
There are more than enough bootlicking rags though they will turn too soon enough

hewouldwouldnthe · 16/09/2022 09:09

The ońly place I see this kind of bile is on mumsnet. All other outlets, including social media, are by far and away supportive of the royal family. The thousands of people lining the streets, watching news outlets, going to services, foreign news outlets etc, completely go against your narrative.

Of course some people don't like Andrew, harry and his wife, but they are not part of the RF in a meaningful sense. Some republicans are represented on the news, quite rightly, but they are in the minority.

SIUUU · 16/09/2022 09:10

I am a staunch republican and whilst I find it very odd that people wish to mourn an elderly woman that they do not know, I am aware that deaths such as these can be quite confronting for some people, based off their own experiences. I had a colleague whose grandmother passed away during COVID time and was unable to grieve properly or go to the funeral. This was her way of vicariously grieving for her.

Some people also fear/hate change!

Some people, have immense empathy

I, wont be mourning nor watching the television but respect the fact others will want to. Leave them to it

vera99 · 16/09/2022 09:10

I watched the State Opening of Parliament live a few months back - the one when the crown came on a cushion. So Prince Charles and William came from the Palace. The police had put crash barriers all along the route and the usual flags out. Apart from around 100 in a huddle in the Mall and a few tourists milling around the crowd was totally absent. It looked quite shocking tbh. Oh and The Guardian for all it's faults has done an overload of deferential royal coverage much to the irritation of some of it's more left-wing readers.

LondonWolf · 16/09/2022 09:12

Makes me laugh just how angry some people get at any sign of unity or positivity from the British people. I suppose these lengthy shows of respect and love, based on hundreds of years of historical pageantry and symbols, the pulling together of all our nations, don't really fit the narrative of us being a majority broken, selfish, cruel, useless people. I watched HM lying in state last night. The huge numbers of people from all cultures, young and old, coming quietly through to pay their respects gave me such optimism and made me realise that this kind social media divisiveness must be ignored. Even in death HM brings us together. The poison darters must be ignored.