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Anyone else feel Kate was born to be a royal?

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Brightstar12 · 15/09/2022 11:22

Watching the Queen's coverage all week & Kate looks like she was born for the role. (Also please don't turn this into a Meghan bashing thread, Meghan is equally beautiful & elegant but has chosen to be a non working royal which is why this thread is about Kate).
Even looking back at old school photos she looked so poised & elegant. She had an idyllic childhood, supportive parents & is doing a wonderful job in her new role.

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TurquoiseDress · 15/09/2022 15:04

Whokno · 15/09/2022 12:34

Yes she's a Rah. Private school girl who has been taught from an early age to do what is expected of her, smile a lot, be polite, defer to seniors but in a charming and supportive way, turn up and work hard & look amazing doing it. Oxbridge/Durham/Bristol and then employers like KPMG are full of them. She got the "being royal" graduate job and she's done it very well.

I agree! Grin

Aspiringmatriarch · 15/09/2022 15:04

LondonWolf · 15/09/2022 14:59

Some really awful comments on this thread - far more attacks than defence of the woman in question. Interesting given that any criticism of her sister in law Meghan is immediately framed as racist and robustly defended against.

A useful thread in that we can read multiple women viciously slagging of another woman - even suggesting that she flashes herself to the public purposely - and it seemingly being perfectly acceptable with no way to brush it off as being race related. When it's Meghan, the world is apparently watching and finding us disgustingly racist, when its Kate the world is <<crickets>>?

I don't agree with those comments at all. Clearly there isn't a racial motivation, but misogyny is alive and well. There's no need for it.

TurquoiseDress · 15/09/2022 15:05

And I knew quite a few at university who were that description in a nutshell! Smile

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antelopevalley · 15/09/2022 15:07

InterviewWorry · 15/09/2022 15:03

I think most people would come across as dull in her situation. When you meet people who have enough personality for it to come across on television (celebrities, generally) they're either an absolute nightmare IRL or else they have a TV persona which is bigger than their real personality.

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That is not true. Kate does her job well.
But I personally know a TV presenter. She is lovely, kind, intelligent and very witty and does not come across as bland on TV.

wellobviouslyyoucan · 15/09/2022 15:07

And Sophie too!

NippyWoowoo · 15/09/2022 15:07

antelopevalley · 15/09/2022 14:49

No one here knows what Kate is like in real life. She may be opinionated, loud and pushy. Or quiet, calm and introverted.

But the requirement for Royal wives is to be bland, good-looking, and uncontroversial. You must never outshine the men and the public's opinion of you should be limited to nice dress, nice smile and behaves well in public. Extra points for being friendly and does not put on airs and graces.

So yes she does do that well.
Personally I would be disappointed if this was the limits of my daughters aspirations, but I am not a Royalist.

👏🏽

Exactly this. Can't believe the OP is congratulating her parents for a job well done

justasking111 · 15/09/2022 15:09

Just thinking if Charles lives as long as his mother then William and Catherine will be 63. If he lives as long as his father they'll be 66. Who would want to be a king and queen at this age.

The European royals well some of them have handed over the reins to their children. Good for them I say. Talking of European royals to be honest they're all pretty anodyne . But so are civil servants who serve us at West. I looked at the honours list once. Full of grey men and women we've never heard of who in effect run the country no matter which party is in power. They've seen them come and go so get a Gong for their services to us

been and done it. · 15/09/2022 15:09

Pinkpeony2 · 15/09/2022 11:44

She wasn’t born to be a royal no. Of course not.
She was born into a very wealthy family who’s wealth is old money and stretches back.
Her family are upper middle class and that also stretches back through previous generations.
Her family were wealthy enough to have the right family connections before she was even born, and then gave her the right opportunities.
She must have the right temperament too and how she conducts herself attracted William who will have been extremely well trained in who to involve in a serious relationship.
Once in the serious relationship she has been heavily trained and prepared and alongside that she has the temperament and personality which slots right in to the royal machine.
I love the phrase she is more royal than the royals 🤣
She seems like William to me in the female form! Can’t imagine a better match and I just love the fact she wasn’t born into royalty. It’s all learned and performed.

I thought her father was a pilot and her mother cabin crew? Have I made that up? I know they have their own party business now but had no idea they were historically wealthy.

wellobviouslyyoucan · 15/09/2022 15:09

Pinkpeony2 · 15/09/2022 11:44

She wasn’t born to be a royal no. Of course not.
She was born into a very wealthy family who’s wealth is old money and stretches back.
Her family are upper middle class and that also stretches back through previous generations.
Her family were wealthy enough to have the right family connections before she was even born, and then gave her the right opportunities.
She must have the right temperament too and how she conducts herself attracted William who will have been extremely well trained in who to involve in a serious relationship.
Once in the serious relationship she has been heavily trained and prepared and alongside that she has the temperament and personality which slots right in to the royal machine.
I love the phrase she is more royal than the royals 🤣
She seems like William to me in the female form! Can’t imagine a better match and I just love the fact she wasn’t born into royalty. It’s all learned and performed.

That's incorrect. Her family aren't very wealthy with old money.

They are very comfortable. They work. Her mother's family were miners.

I would say that Princess Diana's family were wealthy with old money!

EmJay19 · 15/09/2022 15:10

Yes, Kate! 🤪

Sparklythings1 · 15/09/2022 15:11

I think she’s amazing. No offense to William but he is majorly punching above his weight there 🙈 Its bizarre how she can be SO beautiful and just so happens to have been at that university at that time. I think the really endearing thing about her is seeing her do speeches years ago when she was very unsure and nervous, now she’s confident and knows where her interests lie.

LadyHooHa · 15/09/2022 15:11

Brightstar12 · 15/09/2022 11:47

@Pinkpeony2 i think that's a very important point that you mentioned above. They were a very middle class family with generations of wealth. When they got engaged she was called a commoner which made her seem like a normal joe bloggs when the reality was anything but!

Absolutely no objection to Kate, but her family does not have "generations of wealth". They're self-made, sharp-elbowed middle class people who know how to play the game of ensuring that their children work their way upwards.

Families with generations of wealth are on the whole far less pushy about their DC and are often happy for them to drip around shooting and riding and doing not much else.

derxa · 15/09/2022 15:11

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And Prince William just went along with this? He had a huge choice of women he could have married.
Kate is an extremely strong character and I wouldn't like to get on the wrong side of her. She is very good with people she meets at engagements with a balance between friendly and over familiar.

gnilliwdog · 15/09/2022 15:11

@antelopevalley The men get away with a lot more. I don't know if it's society that's sexist or the RF.

IcedPurple · 15/09/2022 15:11

been and done it. · 15/09/2022 15:09

I thought her father was a pilot and her mother cabin crew? Have I made that up? I know they have their own party business now but had no idea they were historically wealthy.

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Her father worked as an air traffic controller for BA. Her mother was ground staff.

Michael Middleton comes from a very wealthy, upper middle class family, but Carole has more humble origins.

InterviewWorry · 15/09/2022 15:11

antelopevalley · 15/09/2022 15:07

That is not true. Kate does her job well.
But I personally know a TV presenter. She is lovely, kind, intelligent and very witty and does not come across as bland on TV.

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I'm defending Kate, not criticising her. I also have friends who appear on TV and they're lovely, and every one of them has a TV persona which is a bit bigger than their personality off screen- I suspect your friend does too.

TooHotToRamble · 15/09/2022 15:12

Spectre8 · 15/09/2022 11:38

She wasn't naturally born like that, ots years of training. No doubt etiquette classes, elocution lessons etc. I think if most of us had that we could be like that too

I definitely wouldn't. Lol. I think I'd have failed etiquette classes spectacularly.

justasking111 · 15/09/2022 15:12

wellobviouslyyoucan · 15/09/2022 15:09

That's incorrect. Her family aren't very wealthy with old money.

They are very comfortable. They work. Her mother's family were miners.

I would say that Princess Diana's family were wealthy with old money!

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I think Diana's family were on their uppers until Raine came along and transformed the way things were run

Arbesque · 15/09/2022 15:13

RobertaFirmino · 15/09/2022 14:08

The question implies that William had no agency in deciding who to marry. I'm not sure this is true - Charles was prevented from marrying the right woman for him and pushed into marrying Diana instead. Princess Margaret was also prevented (by her sister and BIL...) from marrying the man she loved (Peter Townsend). I think Charles would have encouraged William to make his own mind up (and Queenie & Phil would have realised it's best to butt out) and the same with Harry.

No one prevented Princess Margaret from marrying the man she loved.
She just wasn't able to do so and hold her place in the line of succession.
She chose the latter over the former.

Spinninggyro · 15/09/2022 15:15

Well said Brightstar12. she is an intelligent, well educated woman who loves her family. She cares about young people, mental heath and supports healthcare. I don’t think she is bland at all.

JudgeJ · 15/09/2022 15:16

Pallisers · 15/09/2022 15:00

She certainly demonstrates the wisdom of the heir to the throne marrying an educated woman of nearly 30 who comes from a happy stable family instead of marrying a fragile near teenager from a highly dysfunctional background.

So true, a lot of the descriptions of Kate being from an upper class family etc etc applied also to Diana, more so in fact, but she couldn't handle the role she so desperately wanted, Princess of Wales. In allowing William and Kate to live together for a long time the RF showed they had learned from the errors regarding Diana. Edward and Sophia were also allowed to get to know each other.

IcedPurple · 15/09/2022 15:17

Arbesque · 15/09/2022 15:13

No one prevented Princess Margaret from marrying the man she loved.
She just wasn't able to do so and hold her place in the line of succession.
She chose the latter over the former.

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That's true.

The Crown portrayed it as a great romance thwarted but the reality was more mundane. Correspondence released a few years ago shows that Margaret had fallen out of love with Townsend and didn't want to marry him after all. Given that he subsequently ran off with a 19 year old who bore a strong resemblance to Margaret, she was probably well rid.

Same with Charles and Camila. It's not that he was 'forbidden' from marrying her in the 1970s. Their relationship just wasn't that serious, and in any case she was madly in love with Andrew Parker Bowles, who, for reasons unclear to me, was considered quite the catch among posh ladies of the day.

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Brightstar12 · 15/09/2022 15:17

LadyHooHa · 15/09/2022 15:11

Absolutely no objection to Kate, but her family does not have "generations of wealth". They're self-made, sharp-elbowed middle class people who know how to play the game of ensuring that their children work their way upwards.

Families with generations of wealth are on the whole far less pushy about their DC and are often happy for them to drip around shooting and riding and doing not much else.

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@LadyHooHa but how exactly did they do it?!

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JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 15/09/2022 15:17

JudgeJ · 15/09/2022 14:58

But maybe the lack of expectations have allowed Zara to be as she is. Were she higher up the batting order she may not have been allowed the freedoms she's had. In an interview with Zara and her brother she was asked if she didn't feel a bit envious of her cousins who had the titles and her reply was along the lines of God, no, I wouldn't want to have all that stuff, Mum did us a massive favour.

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I think Zara's overall life would have been similar if she had the title but wasn't in the immediate line, like say Eugenie or Louise. Not having a title gave her a little more anonymity but she still had recognition and press interest (remember the fuss about the tongue piercing?).

Her Mother had a successful sporting career, she may not have retired from top level sport until later had she not also had official duties but she still had her sporting career, until the birth of her second child. She also managed things like the HGV license, the appearance on Question of Sport, riding in a horse race, the Blue Peter safari, being the first woman to walk behind the coffin at a British State Funeral, riding astride at the trooping of the colour, the London 2012 bid etc

momtoboys · 15/09/2022 15:19

I completely agree.