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Those young men carrying Her Majesty's coffin must have been terrified.

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Minee · 11/09/2022 17:56

I've never carried a coffin and imagine it must be an emotional and scary thing to do in normal circumstances, but imagine carrying the Queen. With the whole world watching too.

Hats off to them,

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YouLittleBeauty · 11/09/2022 20:17

Some of comments on here show exactly why some men don't feel able to say no. Man enough?

My brother didn't carry our dads coffin, nor did my stepbrother or my dads siblings. Thankfully even though my stepmum and some of her side are toxic arseholes, none of them came out with the aren't "man enough" shit or telling them how they should feel it's an honour.

It's common for the men to carry the coffin at funerals where I'm at but it's also no big deal for them not to and for the undertakers to do it. It's an honour for some yes but some people on this thread seem to think not doing it is a snub to the deceased when it's not.

It's not easy to say "no thank you I don't think I can do that" if your family are of the mindset that you must see it as honour and be "man enough"

I'm proud of my brother and the men in my family for getting through the day, regardless of him being carrying a coffin or not. He actually held in a lot of his grief and couldn't cry because of stupid shit like "man enough".

TugboatAnnie · 11/09/2022 20:19

I thought it was estate workers who carried the coffin? They definitely did something with the coffin

LubaLuca · 11/09/2022 20:19

Dalaidramailama · 11/09/2022 20:15

@EmmaH2022

I presumed it was for people with zero family members to be honest. Like I said I’ve been to loads of funerals, religious and non religious and never seen it.

No, it's not a 'needs must' thing. It's personal choice (of the deceased or the family) at lots of funerals.

Most funerals I've been to have had staff from the funeral director as pallbearers, but there have definitely been trolleys at some. They're all equally dignified options.

Dalaidramailama · 11/09/2022 20:21

@YouLittleBeauty

Dont know how you’ve came to that conclusion about the crying. I’ve seen my brothers, uncles all cry and embrace in grief. It’s a shame your brother felt like he couldn’t do that I guess.

Like I said there’s a lot of men in my family who all want to do it hence my niece having to put it out there to already let people know.

Dalaidramailama · 11/09/2022 20:23

@LubaLuca

Well yes clearly. I was just commenting on my shock because like I said I’ve never seen that happen before (having been to loads of funerals in my time).

Learn something new every day I guess but I stand by my original opinion in that in my family it is most certainly an honour and the final act of love for a loved one.

LubaLuca · 11/09/2022 20:25

Absolutely, nothing wrong with that. I'm happy you're all in agreement and everyone gets what they want.

Novum · 11/09/2022 20:26

TugboatAnnie · 11/09/2022 20:19

I thought it was estate workers who carried the coffin? They definitely did something with the coffin

They carried it at the Balmoral end of the journey.

Sunshineday2 · 11/09/2022 20:26

You don't have great social skills though if you thought it was normal to tag me in my post about my mum and mentioning repeatedly how shocking it was that she got wheeled in 😂 Oh dear!
Anyway as I said. The Queen didn't have family carry her in. Funerals are all different. They fit whoever is there at the time. My 3 year daughter put flowers on the coffin. I couldn't have cared less about the box. My mum was long gone.

bellac11 · 11/09/2022 20:29

I also think its distasteful to continue to phrase it as if its an act of love and if you dont do it then you're not showing that

I wouldnt be able to do it (not man enough being a woman!) but wouldnt want to anyway, I would be concentrating on getting through the event, not wanting to have to manage to perform in that way. Horrific thought to be honest.

Mydoghealsmyheart · 11/09/2022 20:30

Why is the Queen’s coffin lead lined? I’ve not heard of this.

Sunshineday2 · 11/09/2022 20:32

I think it's just to preserve the body for longer

RandomMess · 11/09/2022 20:32

Slows down the decomposition 🤷🏽‍♀️ been tradition from before they had embalming techniques apparently

Mydoghealsmyheart · 11/09/2022 20:33

🥺 Oh ok, thanks.

Sally99 · 11/09/2022 20:37

MermaidEyes · 11/09/2022 18:41

Did anyone watch Prince Phillips funeral? A couple of those poor guys had very red faces by the time they'd got up all those steps!

I was just about to say that I don't know how they got up those steps. My heart was in my mouth the whole time !

Novum · 11/09/2022 20:38

Dalaidramailama · 11/09/2022 19:49

@LubaLuca

Why wouldn’t he want to carry his nans coffin?

Goodness my husband carried his nans and it was a privilege to do so. I hope if I have grandsons they’ll be man enough to carry me.

Not wanting to carry a coffin does not make anyone "not man enough". I'm another who has never been to a funeral where relatives carry the coffin, and I didn't feel for one moment that either of my parents were in any way failed because relatives didn't carry theirs. As for performing a last service for them, we did that by arranging their funerals and doing a hell of a lot of work sorting out their house and their estates to make sure their wishes were completely fulfilled.

Dalaidramailama · 11/09/2022 20:38

@Sunshineday2

My social skills are fine. We are on a thread discussing coffins etc and inevitably death conversations will pop up. We do speak about death in my family a lot though it’s not a weird thing for us.

bellac11 · 11/09/2022 20:40

Dalaidramailama · 11/09/2022 20:38

@Sunshineday2

My social skills are fine. We are on a thread discussing coffins etc and inevitably death conversations will pop up. We do speak about death in my family a lot though it’s not a weird thing for us.

I think enough people on this thread have pointed out that you are at least a bit off beat. Perhaps reflect on that in terms of your social skills and views of humanity.

Sunshineday2 · 11/09/2022 20:42

Dalaidramailama · 11/09/2022 20:38

@Sunshineday2

My social skills are fine. We are on a thread discussing coffins etc and inevitably death conversations will pop up. We do speak about death in my family a lot though it’s not a weird thing for us.

Death isn't a weird thing at all, it happens to everyone. I'm not offended because we are discussing death, I just thought you were very rude! You clearly think you weren't at all, hence my comment 🙂

EmmaH2022 · 11/09/2022 20:42

Dalaidramailama · 11/09/2022 20:15

@EmmaH2022

I presumed it was for people with zero family members to be honest. Like I said I’ve been to loads of funerals, religious and non religious and never seen it.

So...in our case, one person perhaps suitable for it, what would you expect?

I think wheeling in a coffin has the advantage of being less stressful all round.

EmmaH2022 · 11/09/2022 20:43

Dalaidramailama · 11/09/2022 20:38

@Sunshineday2

My social skills are fine. We are on a thread discussing coffins etc and inevitably death conversations will pop up. We do speak about death in my family a lot though it’s not a weird thing for us.

I hope so. Your use of the word shock, and the shock emoji, might really upset people if translated into a real life chat.

Dalaidramailama · 11/09/2022 20:49

@EmmaH2022

But I was shocked. I’m not now obviously after reading this thread but initially I was. I’ve been to many, many funerals and not seen it any other way so I can’t apologise for my genuine reaction.

dementedma · 11/09/2022 20:49

Nobody carried my dad. His coffin was in the crem when we got there. We were all fine with that

Dalaidramailama · 11/09/2022 20:51

@Sunshineday2

I also thought you were rude telling me to piss off because I was shocked but there you go.

bellac11 · 11/09/2022 20:52

Dalaidramailama · 11/09/2022 20:49

@EmmaH2022

But I was shocked. I’m not now obviously after reading this thread but initially I was. I’ve been to many, many funerals and not seen it any other way so I can’t apologise for my genuine reaction.

Its nothing to do with shock, its the completely transparent use of 'act of love' and 'man enough' comments to put people down.

Nasty and judgemental

YouLittleBeauty · 11/09/2022 20:56

Dalaidramailama · 11/09/2022 20:21

@YouLittleBeauty

Dont know how you’ve came to that conclusion about the crying. I’ve seen my brothers, uncles all cry and embrace in grief. It’s a shame your brother felt like he couldn’t do that I guess.

Like I said there’s a lot of men in my family who all want to do it hence my niece having to put it out there to already let people know.

I came to that conclusion because that was his own words, and messages he's received during his life from some people he's had the misfortune to be acquaintances with or be bullied by. He's had the man enough words said to him enough to know people out there so see men who don't behave a certain way or do certain things as weak and less of a man and there's many men out there who don't reach out for help because of this stuff.

He was bullied for being "girly" or gay, all through school, he'd have his things stolen and told to man up and fight for it back. If he cried they punched him while yelling at him to man up. A teacher even did to him when he cried at school after our dog died.

Our grandad's funeral some people on the same course at college took the piss out of him for months and months because they happened to go past on a bus as he was walking home with me crying. They called him gay and weak.

He recently had time off sick for the first ever time in over 20 years. He's never taken time off sick and when he tried to tell one colleague he was struggling with anxiety, that colleague was then heard calling him a drama queen and said the words anxiety with air quotes.

He's been really struggling when he was out of work with his mental health, because he felt like shit at not being able to "provide" for his wife and children and that he knew there's people who would see him as weak and it's genuinely stopped him seeking help because of the experiences he's had in his life. He's taught himself not to cry, to be big and brave and strong in front of others and keep the insecurities and tears for when he's alone.

I absolutely agree that there's nothing wrong in seeing it as an honour and being proud of family who do carry a coffin. I can also see how it can cause problems if more people want to carry than don't. It's the suggestion that those who don't or can't are less of a man or like they are being rude that's offensive.

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