What's happening in London? Brawl involving 100 people?

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I've just seen on Sky News that a teenager has passed away after a "brawl" involving more than 100 people! What on earth is going on?

Another riot last week with looting and a girl curb stomped which flew under the radar and only picked up by one local news outlet:

www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/woman-19-stamped-kicked-croydon-24919186

Visuals here: m.youtube.com/watch?v=c9FZLpHF0zo

A closer look:

I grew up in the ‘Kidulthood’ part of London and still live here and I do think things are getting worse.

You have to be blind not to connect the dots here. But I guess a lot of ppl love to be blind

@LuckyStone "Because it is obvious that part of the problem is mass immigration. But people are either too scared to say this or so brainwashed they believe the BS in the media and society. Just watch my comment get piled on or deleted. We live in very sad times when you are not allowed to say the truth anymore without being jumped on"
Where do you get this from? London is a pretty dangerous place compared to any capital in Europe and it is one of the places with highest migration figures, so you may be right. However, any study made on link between migration and crime that I have come across does not shield a co-relation.
For whatever reason, the UK has a very high level of violent crime compared to other European (similar?) countries.
Everywhere in the world the main responsilbe of violent crimes are gangs (whether you called them 'the mafia'; 'drug cartel' or something else, they follow gang behaviour). Men are the perpetrators and main victims and there is a remarkable concentration of them in the UK.

You're strawmanning again, with the points about blaming the Tories for anything and everything and the comment about seeing the police role as solely anything. These are both illogical conclusions to draw from a post attributing substantive blame: you are wrongly conflating that with exclusive.

It is of course also about wider societal issues too, but again, Tory austerity plays a role in these. Local government simply is not in a position to impact on or adequately mitigate these level of cuts. We can of course hold them responsible for the decisions they have made, but it is a fact that those decisions have been about what to do with increasingly smaller pots. There isn't a way to make this not substantially about what the state has chosen to fund and cut in recent years.

Best stay away OP.

The quality of your local government is a huge factor.

I am not putting up any strawmen - I'm looking at factors other than solely policing, and at how to get the best possible outcomes when cash is tight. Because I see it as more important to do the best with what you've got, rather than just blaming for the lack. You seem to think that must also mean I do not deplore the lack. That is not the case.

Look as well at how relative poverty and other outcomes have changed in London over the last decade or so. That's not just population churn and cuts - for they have affected all.

All boroughs have seen a rise in deprivation markers in the last 5-10 years. But the rise in some is considerably worse than in others. The role of local government is extremely important in the policies which will have the most direct effect. The boroughs that were in first place in 2015 is now down to 9th and the one that was (though up overall, as they all are, which is deplorable) and the one that was 2nd is now 3rd - that's a Labour council btw (Newham) so if you thought I was making a party political point, you are wrong,

You absolutely are strawmanning and the terms you used make that clear. What you have been arguing against is the idea that local government has no responsibility, otherwise you'd have used different words, but that's demonstrably not the same thing as the Tories in their capacity as the central government bear substantial responsibility. Hence strawmen.

I don't know whether you deplore the policing cuts or not and don't see it as particularly relevant here.

It would be news to me id anyone asserted that I'm a Tory!

I think your wrong assumptions and projection are abundantly clear now.

I think you have fundamentally misunderstood what I have been saying, and are curiously unwilling to see that this is a multi-factorial issue.

Also, policing has been discussed by various posters on this thread though, like you, I don't see it as the core issue in looking at wider policy to improve deprived areas. But others clearly do

Not really, you're just conflating disagreement with lack of understanding. There are multiple reasons for the situation in which we find ourselves, but one is policing and local government simply cannot do anything about funding. Police funding is not the only Tory cut that's relevant here either. You've spent a lot of the discussion arguing that the Tories aren't solely to blame, but nobody said they were. There is however no legitimate analysis that doesn't attribute substantial blame to the people who've been in power for the last dozen years and the impact of cuts on multiple areas.

Don't know how Sadiq Khan is even the Mayor, as he is useless. Got voted in because London has a huge ethnic population who would all vote Labour as they are the ones who opened the floodgates to immigration (as admitted by Alistair Campbell). We are overpopulated. Too many houses being built, often on green spaces, not enough infrastructure to cope, hence traffic jams, waiting forever for doctors and dentists appointment, etc.etc.

I live I Dagengham, a young lad was attacked by several boys with a machete in a park 100 yards from my house, a few days ago. No arrests.

Blimey, who opened the trap door?

London is the most polarised place in the UK. Areas range from some of the safest to the least safe. Income and class disparity is huge from postcode to postcode.

There is no such place as "London" per se, its a huge set of villages and localities.

Tony Blair 😂

When you are a teenager on a rampage with a machete- how do you move on to a fruitful normal life - what on Earth is their future apart from drugs, gangs thieving and violence. Thank Christ I live in Cornwall.

why have kids that you can’t care for, without prospects - without real hope - no one seems to have an answer.

There's plenty enough drugs and thieving in Cornwall!

Yep

There are 9.5 million people in London OP, not including visitors.

There are 5.5 million people in Scotland, would you generalise about Scotland like that?

I can report all was quite in the West End earlier, and my leafy bit of the South East is also at peace. 😊

THIS

I live 3 roads down from Lichfield Road and knew nothing about the murder until I read it here.