What’s classed as “chavvy” if you’re poor…

[Justanotherwinter]

But classy if you’re rich? I’ll start…

cocaine
floor beds for children
Speaking a second language
Day drinking
babysitters

😂😂

When second hand is in working class families it's often looked down on - same behavior higher up social classes you go less stigma attached.

Even buying second hand - FIL frequently won't enter a charity shop to look round he doesn't want people assume he can't buy new - but buying second hand is branded vintage and suddenly it's fine. Both cases it's pre loved stuff - viewed very differently.

You can disagree but sadly there's an element of truth there.

Certainly professionals and institutions frequently judge things differently base on class of parents - which I've experienced and seen but which many on MN haven't so insist doesn't happen.

The Queen does have a job. She's Head of State And you?

Police escort

India is posh. The other two not.

Good question.

Yes, she goes to Parliament one day a year. What a hard worker.

With a few exceptions, most of the stuff listed on this thread is just annoying regardless of who does it

Yes, all chavvy

Wilfully not understanding things...

If you are Alexander de pfeffel you can waffle on in rhubarb and [some] people think you are frightfully clever.

Immigrants.

Naming your children after a place is not socially elevated. India is just the same as the others.

“Certainly professionals and institutions frequently judge things differently base on class of parents - which I've experienced and seen but which many on MN haven't so insist doesn't happen.”

What your parents do or did is a class signifier. If it was all down to money, lottery winners would be upper class. They’re not!

I think its obvious the point the thread is making.

Wearing designer tracksuits

Re the being a SAHM it is looked down upon if you are poor and needing benefits.

Florence Nightingale?

And there you are perfectly demonstrating the point of the thread. Brooklyn and India are both names for children named after places. But Brooklyn is seen as chivvy and India as posh. There is no objective difference but you are choosing to see one place name as chavvy and one as posh.

That hypocrisy is literally the point you seem to be arguing against. And I suspect as a PP said you know that and are just pretending not to.

Hahaha yep

The Queen does have a job. She's Head of State And you?

That's not a job. She wasn't interviewed, she doesn't work certain hours or attend an annual review.

I'm a teacher, I can't get my kids to fill in if I'm poorly (frankly we can't get anyone if I'm poorly). If it was a proper job we'd get someone better than a 96YO with no qualifications to do it.

For those confused about the speaking two languages thing, I refer you to this tweet on the topic.

Not chavvy as such, but speaking Somali and English, or even speaking French, Arabic and English as a North African, is definitely not seen as admirable in the same way as an English middle class person bringing their child up speaking French. Total double standards (DS speaks another language because we used to live abroad, and we definitely get a different reaction at school to the French-speaking African kids).

Yes, I’m reminded of Katie Hopkins pooh-poohing place name children “like Brooklyn or London” while a baffled Philip Scofield pointed out that her daughter is called India.

But that's ok because she wasn't named after the country 🥴

India Hicks is certainly not a chav! Look her up. There are bound to be others.

Those who call their child Brooklyn would not call a girl child India. This applies particularly to someone like David Beckham who looks like someone who works at a fairground.

OK, you got me. I fell for the act. Congrats.

www.architecturaldigest.com/gallery/india-hicks-and-david-flint-woods-charming-oxfordshire-manse

What your parents do or did is a class signifier. If it was all down to money, lottery winners would be upper class. They’re not!

I'm not sure what point you think you are making here - but yes parents jobs and area schooled in are class signifiers.

DH and I both felt we were judged and guided less on our potential and much more base on assumptions about our background and in 90s schools weren't as supportive of university for us - where we both went on to do very well - we have many more up to-date examples.

Money and class is complex mix and really not the point of the thread but as PP said I suspect you know this.