Big Dog is enjoying his last weeks. Who will be leader - Truss or Sunak Thread 13

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New thread as needed.

I wonder what new promises will come out this week?

These are the people that decide the next PM

This film outside last night’s Cheltenham hustings just goes to show how different everyone’s reality is in Britain.
twitter.com/LizWebsterLD/status/1557990661802131457?t=vfu1I-KjrnKHPnACRFbOGA&s=19

(The interviewer is most likely a spoof but the people aswering aren't )

The NI increase (which Truss has called morally wrong) was intended to raise £12 billion to fund the NHS post covid catch up and social care. I understand that Truss has pledged to cancel the rise.
Anyone know where she is going to find the £12 billion? Has the promised funding for increased social care been sacked off or is she planning to add it to our borrowing?

@DuncinToffee she is finally in a bed in the MAU waiting for a ward, but given her carer found her in pain at 5pm yesterday that's an outrageous amount of time for treatment for someone that age.

It's shocking and really scary and it will only get worse

It’s an outrageous amount of time at any age. Hope she’s OK @InMySpareTime.

Ou really don't get it do you, or don't want to more like. It's happening all the time. You may want to deny it but the hospitals can't cope because there is often no care to discharge people back to so if someone says they can cope/family will help they will send them home so someone else who desperately needs the bed can have it. Don't forget there us still a lot of people waiting up to 2 years for that bed.
It's not just FIL, it's endemic. I'm in a support group for carers, we still both have frail elderly mothers so I see the same thing time and time again with others in yhe group. Either discharged too early or, like my dad was, stuck in hospital weeks after he could go home waiting for a care home bed. When dad died earlier this year the man in the next bed had been waiting over 5 weeks for a place. Sorting that would solve a lot of the NHS problems and when.he was elected Boris claimed to have a plan, anyone heard anything about that plan since?

Look who has emerged from his fridge to blame Labour

Boris Johnson - "It was a bit much hearing from the current Labour leader, Gordon Brown, sayng whatever he said... who was in power when they failed to build those nuclear reactors"

Ed Miliband has answered this question - They'll makeup any old cobblers

twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1558041355435315202?t=M2EJYwT9wC-vgm5cjz4apg&s=19

@countrygirl99 How upsetting.

So sorry about your FiL @countrygirl and to everyone struggling to support their loved ones.

Sorry that was to @countrygirl99

Really sorry countrygirl99 - I wrote your Dad rather than your FIL in my earlier post. I'd read your post and was sufficiently self obsessed to think about my own Dad in those circumstances.

Last summer he collapsed and his ambulance was turned away from the closest 3 hospital A&E departments He ended up being seen in a different county from where he had started. There shouldn't be those sorts of pressures in the summer months.

As per the FT chart 1 in 7 English hospital beds are occupied by somebody who no longer requires a bed but has not been discharged ie waiting for social care plan.

I don't understand why they don't build 'convalescence' homes - didn't they use to have those a long time ago

A half way house - so you are out of the hospital but aren't in a care home. Just convalescing before you are ok to return to your usual residence.

More waffling

Does PM Boris Johnson think the cost of living support already offered to people is enough?

"No," he says, "what we're doing, in addition, is trying to make sure that by October, by January, there is further support"

twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1558040794208112641?t=9Oo0kTbh6Otl8PhUI5Z3tw&s=19

"Boris Johnson - "It was a bit much hearing from the current Labour leader, Gordon Brown, sayng whatever he said... who was in power when they failed to build those nuclear reactors"

"Saying whatever he said" - Johnson careful not to repeat Brown's actual suggestions for help for citizens as they might make too much sense.

"I don't understand why they don't build 'convalescence' homes - didn't they use to have those a long time ago"

Money & staff.

No staff, take up expensive pieces of land.

Though our local hospital has built a 24 bed unit for exactly such a thing where a care package can't be found.. needs to be a 200 bed unit, such is demand.

Prob now is people are being sent home without suitable care or enough district nurses and then end up going back in, which is exactly whats happened to my FiL today, back in SAU with wound infection.

There would still be a problem with staffing levels cakeorwine but it's not a bad idea.

They could also actually build the 80 new hospitals.

I’m finding it so grim looking at the news pages at the moment
Starmer AND Johnson on fucking holiday
Truss talking utter Trumpian nonsense
Sunak not actually committing himself to anything useful but sounding marginally more morally normal than Truss.
Truss sounds beyond sociopathic going on about the ‘very bright future’

Gordon Brown (if only he was PM!) is the only one acting as the leader we need right now.

@AndreaC74 hope your FIL is OK.

Truss is now busy attacking the civil service

Liz Truss said today that she will "change woke civil service culture that strays into antisemitism".

A Truss campaign source also accused Labour under Keir Starmer of being "a talking shop for antisemitism and antizionism."

No evidence provided for either of these charges.

twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1558020131518910465?t=gB9GdyvFgqDDHTavvmI4zA&s=19

RCN and BMA Junior Doctors are discussing strike action in the autumn.

Pat Cullen is Gen Sec of the RCN -

"Cullen, a mental health nurse, urged the two contenders to “take off the rose-tinted glasses” about the state of the NHS, challenging them to spend two weeks on the wards with an intensive care nurse before again declaring that the health service did not need more cash.

The leadership debate’s focus on tax cutss_ was just out of touch with reality, she argued. “If you ask any individual, any patient, or walk out on to the street and ask any person, what’s the most important thing for them at this point in time, health and care services comes top of their agenda.”
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nurses-strike-inevitable-says-union-chief-93wphswpj

NHS trusts are giving their staff hardship grants, low-cost meals and money to buy their children’s school uniforms to help them cope with the deepening cost of living crisis.
Others have set up food banks, are subsidising public transport fares and advising hard-up frontline personnel how to access supermarket vouchers to help feed their families.

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/11/nhs-trusts-in-england-offer-staff-hardship-grants-amid-cost-of-living-crisis?

New analysis from the Tony Blair Institute:
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Reversing NI rise would save households on the lowest incomes an average of just 76p a month
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The richest households are better off by £93
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Proposals to cut VAT on fuel will also have little to no impact for low income households

Thankyou, hopefully caught in time.

A Truss campaign source also accused Labour under Keir Starmer of being "a talking shop for antisemitism and antizionism."

as the tories wank over sending brown people to a poorer, hostile country with more brown people?

They’ve got a cheek.