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'Breast is Best'

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OddSocksandRainbowDocs · 02/08/2022 11:29

It's National Breastfeeding Week and I've seen the phrase 'Breast is Best' banded about quite a few times.

Whilst I agree breastfeeding is scientifically better, some mothers (myself included) physically could not breastfeed so chose to formula feed instead. I was made to feel like a failure by a midwife for choosing to do so.

My little one is now one and a half. She is happy, she is healthy.

I don't know who needs to hear this but 'Breast is Best' isn't always the case. 'Fed is Best' is most definitely the case. It doesn't matter how you feed your baby, as long as the baby is fed, that is all that mattersSmile

OP posts:
EasterIssland · 02/08/2022 21:33

Whiskeypowers · 02/08/2022 20:47

Loads of women who formula feed cite one of the biggest perks to it is that “DH /P can bond with the baby / we can take it in turns / I can have someone else to literally hand the baby to to feed and settle

breastfeeding mothers don’t have any of this

So which is it?!

Also another comments “ bf kids wake up in the night much more than ff babies “

Wouldloveanother · 02/08/2022 21:34

Just to quote:
The rate of any breastfeeding at six weeks was 55% (rising from 48% in 2005), while at six months it was 34% (rising from 25% in 2005). These improvements coincided with a marked increase in engagement with the Baby Friendly Initiative.

these could be babies who are mix fed, or simply babies that had a bottle of formula in the hospital and nothing since, or anything in between.

Wouldloveanother · 02/08/2022 21:35

EasterIssland · 02/08/2022 21:33

Also another comments “ bf kids wake up in the night much more than ff babies “

That does seem true. The vast majority of ‘no sleep, I’m exhausted’ threads on here are by breastfeeding mums.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Wouldloveanother · 02/08/2022 21:36

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 21:29

@Babyboomtastic perk for you but not your baby.

You shouldn't be leaving a two week old. Simple. There's a reason we are encouraged to rest for 6 weeks. It's in part to stay close and connected to our newborn.

This is why surrogacy is eventually going to done by anyone who can afford it - everyone wants to outsource the job.

We can be equal in all things but child birth and breastfeeding..... until it's not the done thing anymore becUse i NeEd mY freEEdoM Envy not envy.

What happened, Britney? You’ve posted so many sly digs on here, but this is bizarre - a mum who has a break from her baby may as well have used a surrogate? I mean I’m actually laughing, it’s so ridiculous.

brookstar · 02/08/2022 21:43

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 21:29

@Babyboomtastic perk for you but not your baby.

You shouldn't be leaving a two week old. Simple. There's a reason we are encouraged to rest for 6 weeks. It's in part to stay close and connected to our newborn.

This is why surrogacy is eventually going to done by anyone who can afford it - everyone wants to outsource the job.

We can be equal in all things but child birth and breastfeeding..... until it's not the done thing anymore becUse i NeEd mY freEEdoM Envy not envy.

Are you comparing going out for a drink when you have a small baby to surrogacy?
Wow- that's a new low.

Luxa · 02/08/2022 21:45

Isn't it funny how low the bar can be by which people will label women militants and fundamentalist?

Only if you take those words out of context. But many people on this thread have explained exactly why it came across that way to them.

Some people are so evangelical about proclaiming that 'Breast is best' that they can't see that it is sometimes not best for those involved. It isn't about 'trying to improve the nation's health' when it becomes that extreme, it's about forcing the message on people who have already heard it many times.

'Breast is best' is easy to take as 'gospel' unless given a context, same as when people say 'The Bible says X' and make judgements without looking at individual situations and circumstances.

ivfbabymomma1 · 02/08/2022 21:46

I wasn't able to breast feed at all due to a breast reduction I had years ago where my nipples were removed as part of the procedure and then stitched back on. No amount of telling this to the midwife stopped her from asking me to try?! I never leaked a single drop.. it was impossible. Still feel guilt though. (I know some people can breast feed after a reduction but I wasn't)

Whiskeypowers · 02/08/2022 21:47

Babyboomtastic · 02/08/2022 20:58

You have the option to choose. As a mum you may want to do 95% of the work yourself, or you may want to share equally, or it might swing between the two depending on whats going in with life. You don't have that freedom to choose with BF (certainly if baby won't take a bottle).

My ff baby, I have a wonderful bond with, and we spent an innumerable number of nights up together. But I also shared the nights equally, wasnt tired, and had my first evening out with friends at 2 weeks, and night away at 3 months. When I was ill, I went to bed and recuperated.I wasnt a tired mum.

My BF baby (bottle refuser) I had to all the nights. I was exhausted. We also have a wonderful bond. I first had the night away from her when she was 2 (and 3 for a night out with friends) because she got so distressed at my absence. When I had a tummy bug, I still had to breastfeed her about 5 times in the night.

The perk isnt having to take it in turns. The perk is being able to. The freedom to.

Sorry but that’s basically what I was alluding to
having a choice which an ebf mother doesn’t

it’s interesting though that you have framed all the things you didn’t have to do as inherently negative

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 21:48

Nah I didn't mean she may as well have used a surrogate.

I meant the desire to outsource will eventually mean this becomes the norm.

Just look at how many have said they formula fed so that their partners could help out. It's not the way we are designed, unfortunately. If my dh had milk, trust me I'd share the job!

Babyboomtastic · 02/08/2022 21:52

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 21:29

@Babyboomtastic perk for you but not your baby.

You shouldn't be leaving a two week old. Simple. There's a reason we are encouraged to rest for 6 weeks. It's in part to stay close and connected to our newborn.

This is why surrogacy is eventually going to done by anyone who can afford it - everyone wants to outsource the job.

We can be equal in all things but child birth and breastfeeding..... until it's not the done thing anymore becUse i NeEd mY freEEdoM Envy not envy.

Yes, my poor deprived 2 week old, cuddled up with her father, whilst I had a break for a 3 hours. I guess I may as well have just not bothered coming back, as those 3 hours would have irreparably broken our bond...

Get a grip.
And then maybe another grip.
And then use it to hold your head and give it a wobble.

Wouldloveanother · 02/08/2022 21:52

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 21:48

Nah I didn't mean she may as well have used a surrogate.

I meant the desire to outsource will eventually mean this becomes the norm.

Just look at how many have said they formula fed so that their partners could help out. It's not the way we are designed, unfortunately. If my dh had milk, trust me I'd share the job!

Will it really? If surrogacy was ‘the norm’ then there wouldn’t be enough surrogates - at most you would have half the population using surrogates and half the population being surrogates. So what you’ve stated isn’t just absurdly laughable, it’s actually impossible.

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 21:54

@Babyboomtastic yeah I do feel sorry for them. At 2 weeks old come off it, you couldn't pay me to leave a baby that small.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/08/2022 21:55

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 18:53

Can you equally see that many are proud because they managed to do it?

Ridiculous example but this what comes to mind: There are failed footballers, athletes, actors etc up and down the country. Do we ban sports etc from our screens so that they aren't reminded that they weren't able to succeed.
Rather than focus on the lack focus on your success. As someone who miscarried more than once my greatest success isn't breastfeeding for two years, but carrying to term.

Many don't manage it. Shall we stop celebrating our children in recognition of the pain it causes those who've lost their babies or not been able to conceive at all?

No. Of course not.

@britneyisfree, my post has nothing to do with whether or not people who breastfeed should feel proud - I can’t see how you got that from my post.

A previous poster talked about people choosing to feel hurt - I feel this denigrates the very real hurt that people like me felt and feel. It’s like saying I ‘chose’ to be depressed.

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 21:56

@Wouldloveanother only those with the means to afford it.

It'll be something for improvised women to do.

30+ years ago only the rich and famous got fillers, Botox, boobs etc. now half the country are at it. These things filter down and so will surrogacy.

I hope to be proven wrong but pretty sure I read a thread the other day about tons of babies being left in Ukraine when lockdown hit as all their 'mums' couldn't come and get them.

Is that not a sign of the times?

Babyboomtastic · 02/08/2022 21:56

Sharing the nights is also an absolute perk for the baby!

Rather than having a mother who is exhausted, barely sleeping, struggling to find the energy etc, she had a mother who was relatively well rested. From being both mothers (the tired one to my bf child), I know I'm a better mother when rested.

There was more energy, more singing, more doing fun things, more conversation, more stimulation. AND she got to spend extra quality tine with her other parent.

I may have spent less physical time with her, but the tine we had was much better quality because I wasn't in a sleep deprived haze.

brookstar · 02/08/2022 21:57

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 21:48

Nah I didn't mean she may as well have used a surrogate.

I meant the desire to outsource will eventually mean this becomes the norm.

Just look at how many have said they formula fed so that their partners could help out. It's not the way we are designed, unfortunately. If my dh had milk, trust me I'd share the job!

But why is sharing all aspects of parenting with your partner a bad thing? That's what felt natural to us.

I absolutely saw that as a huge positive FF.

To suggest that is 'outsourcing' or to compare it to surrogacy is ridiculous.

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 21:58

@Babyboomtastic

The biggest perk for a newborn is it's mother. Daddy time is very very important too but in those early days of attachment it doesn't come close no matter how good it sounds to you when you sell it to yourself.

brookstar · 02/08/2022 21:59

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 21:54

@Babyboomtastic yeah I do feel sorry for them. At 2 weeks old come off it, you couldn't pay me to leave a baby that small.

Nobody asked to you to. Others feel comfortable leaving a baby with their other parent. Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't make it wrong.

Wouldloveanother · 02/08/2022 22:00

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 21:54

@Babyboomtastic yeah I do feel sorry for them. At 2 weeks old come off it, you couldn't pay me to leave a baby that small.

batshit 😂

you’re going to be bitterly disappointed when you realise your ‘approach’ makes diddly squat difference in the long run.

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 22:00

@brookstar it's not bad it's just not natural to share. Our bodies designated the mother to bear and feed the child. Dad can do everything else.

I rarely ever changed my newborns nappy as daddy was on the job. He was able to do that and it was great. I had oversupply and let him try the bottle once but none of us liked it. Bloody plastic fake tit in her mouth was unnecessary and unappealing.

I have a relative who had to ff because she had inverted nipples. That I can understand but just doing it so you can share the job.... meh

Wouldloveanother · 02/08/2022 22:01

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 21:58

@Babyboomtastic

The biggest perk for a newborn is it's mother. Daddy time is very very important too but in those early days of attachment it doesn't come close no matter how good it sounds to you when you sell it to yourself.

So what is ‘daddy time’ in your very exacting parenting method?

Wouldloveanother · 02/08/2022 22:02

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 22:00

@brookstar it's not bad it's just not natural to share. Our bodies designated the mother to bear and feed the child. Dad can do everything else.

I rarely ever changed my newborns nappy as daddy was on the job. He was able to do that and it was great. I had oversupply and let him try the bottle once but none of us liked it. Bloody plastic fake tit in her mouth was unnecessary and unappealing.

I have a relative who had to ff because she had inverted nipples. That I can understand but just doing it so you can share the job.... meh

theres only one ‘bloody plastic fake tit’ around here, and it ain’t Tommee Tippee…

Babyboomtastic · 02/08/2022 22:02

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 21:54

@Babyboomtastic yeah I do feel sorry for them. At 2 weeks old come off it, you couldn't pay me to leave a baby that small.

I'm sorry that I wasnt sat round crying, in a sleep deprived haze 🙄

You may have not gone out, but we are different people, shockingly...

At 2 weeks, I was out every day with my baby, seeing friends, out to restaurants, shopping, mostly with my baby cuddled upto me (or my husband) in a sling.

Some evenings I went out with baby in the sling. Occasionally I went out alone.

I felt great, and I loved every moment. I certainly dont feel bad for a few hours where my baby was perfectly content with her other, equal parent.

Dont be absolutely ridiculous.
And maybe get that grip 😂

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 22:02

It already has @Wouldloveanother

My child has a secure attachment and never ever ever cries when I leave her because she knows I'll be back.

She settled on her first day at nursery with no issues whatsoever and has a wonderful day and returns to me filled with glee. So yeah it makes a difference... I don't have an anxious toddler who is constantly worried and looking for me so there you go 😘

Wouldloveanother · 02/08/2022 22:04

britneyisfree · 02/08/2022 22:02

It already has @Wouldloveanother

My child has a secure attachment and never ever ever cries when I leave her because she knows I'll be back.

She settled on her first day at nursery with no issues whatsoever and has a wonderful day and returns to me filled with glee. So yeah it makes a difference... I don't have an anxious toddler who is constantly worried and looking for me so there you go 😘

So did mine 😊 her nursery report called her ‘an extremely confident and happy little girl’.

how do you explain that one then? Given I abandoned her at 3 weeks old to go to a book signing at my local Waterstones? 😂

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