Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Most middle class family holiday destination? (just for fun!)

429 replies

Butterforbread · 21/07/2022 18:04

I haven't spotted a middle class thread all week so thought I'd start one just for fun 😜
In your opinion what are the most middle class or umc holiday spots?
Summer:
Any part of France (extra posh if you have friends or family who have a house to put you & the kids up in!)
Italian Lakes
Greek Islands

Winter
Barbados or similar Caribbean Island
Skiing in the Austrian, Swiss or French Akps (wealthiest go to Switzerland)
Christmas markets

This is just for fun & based on the wealthier middle class families I know! They all seem to go to the same places!

OP posts:
Sonnex · 11/08/2022 18:34

IT believe it or not! We had our Xmas party on Nottingham though 😆

Naturelover5 · 11/08/2022 21:36

@Sonnex i thought you might have been Richard Bransons p.a😂

ClearestBlue · 11/08/2022 23:02

Cap Ferret & San Sebastián

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

WGO · 13/08/2022 18:44

Eze is definitely UPC. I once dined in a restaurant years back as a student. BF's parents treated us as they lived in Monaco and it was a nice drive.

It was probably my first ever fancy restaurant where you get 1 waiter to serve each person on your table. You are not allowed to lift anything up. They even lifted the food coverings in unison like 'dah dah'... and the amazing food was revealed. Really spectacular. Have to go back one day now I'm living in the real world - must save.

MiauzenKatzenjammer · 15/08/2022 13:27

The Scottish islands are middle class if you take the ferry, but upper class if you get there on a private yacht.

leccybill · 15/08/2022 14:07

CockSpadget · 21/07/2022 19:26

Why is France regarded as a middle class holiday destination?

No TUI and the like package deals, no 'full English with chips' type resorts.

VaccineSticker · 15/08/2022 14:25

Interested why the general consensus about Dubai is that is “chavvy”?
I looked into it few times but it’s mega expensive but few friends have been on multiple occasions and commented on the high standards and excellent service they always receive when they go. And no these friends aren’t newly rich either.

CruCru · 15/08/2022 14:56

If the option of going to stay with friends in an upmarket location isn’t available, the next best thing is to stay somewhere “undiscovered”. Everyone’s heard of Dubai and it’s easy to get to. The most middle class “exotic” holiday is to somewhere fabulous that no one else has ever heard of (ideally with a complicated journey so few people from the UK would bother).

Chocchops72 · 20/08/2022 10:29

listening to a great podcast from The Rest is History on the subject of tourism. As with many things in British society, it’sa case of the aristocrats setting the original standards through the 18th / early 19th century, then the middle class emerging in the mid 19th century and trying to copy them and to distinguish themselves from the working / lower classes.

for the aristos, the Grand Tour was seen as the ultimate in an ‘improving’ experience. To visit the lands and sites of antiquity, to see the landscapes and people who has inspired great works of literature, art and poetry, to meet the popular philosophers, composers, writers, artists of the day. Travelers needed huge amounts of money, they needed to have connections (who could house and advise them), they were expected to be able to speak Italian, Latin, Greek etc and to be familiar with the art, history etc.

the upcoming middle class wanted to copy them. But they didn’t have the same bottomless wealth, they certainly didn’t have them social network and they didn’t have the languages, classical education etc - so they needed help. Hence the eventual development of travel agencies, guide books, package holidays etc.

But the status indicators have stayed the same. It should be authentic (living as the locals do rather than in a tourist resort) and improving (yoga retreats, historical explanations, visiting sites of natural beauty), that travelers should be comfortable with the language/food/history/social rules that they find (not looking for All-English menus, can speak some French / Italian etc,), that the trip should be arranged through personal networks and connections with means (family and friends with homes abroad rather than staying in a package hotel).

So that’s why my trip to France, staying in my parents holiday home, buying my wine from our favourite vigneron, shopping for food at the local markets, speaking French while ordering it, etc is always going to be more middle-class than your trip to a purpose-built tourist resort, eating the same foods you do at home, lying on a beach every day and just doing stuff for ‘fun’, whether it’s in Magaluf or Dubai. Because the social indicators of class status are set by the aristos and the middle classes try to copy them, while striving to set themselves apart from the working / lower classes.

Gwenhwyfar · 20/08/2022 10:53

VaccineSticker · 15/08/2022 14:25

Interested why the general consensus about Dubai is that is “chavvy”?
I looked into it few times but it’s mega expensive but few friends have been on multiple occasions and commented on the high standards and excellent service they always receive when they go. And no these friends aren’t newly rich either.

What do they do there though? The image is just shopping.

Gwenhwyfar · 20/08/2022 10:54

leccybill · 15/08/2022 14:07

No TUI and the like package deals, no 'full English with chips' type resorts.

There's a fish and chip shop running by an Englishman in Beziers and you can get an extremely cheap flight there from Bristol.
The booze trips on the ferries to France are also very working class.

Holidaydreamingagain · 20/08/2022 10:59

You can do both though. I hate skiing but the kids love it so go with school or with friends. We have one holiday a year travelling, next year will be vietnam and Laos and we will also have an inauthentic week in a 5* hotel somewhere all inclusive because quite frankly sometimes not making a bed, food shopping preparing and clearing up and just chilling is a lot more needed than a week in a gite in France

whatisheupto · 20/08/2022 11:03

@Chocchops72 very interesting and very true!

dogcheck · 20/08/2022 12:57

Chocchops72 · 20/08/2022 10:29

listening to a great podcast from The Rest is History on the subject of tourism. As with many things in British society, it’sa case of the aristocrats setting the original standards through the 18th / early 19th century, then the middle class emerging in the mid 19th century and trying to copy them and to distinguish themselves from the working / lower classes.

for the aristos, the Grand Tour was seen as the ultimate in an ‘improving’ experience. To visit the lands and sites of antiquity, to see the landscapes and people who has inspired great works of literature, art and poetry, to meet the popular philosophers, composers, writers, artists of the day. Travelers needed huge amounts of money, they needed to have connections (who could house and advise them), they were expected to be able to speak Italian, Latin, Greek etc and to be familiar with the art, history etc.

the upcoming middle class wanted to copy them. But they didn’t have the same bottomless wealth, they certainly didn’t have them social network and they didn’t have the languages, classical education etc - so they needed help. Hence the eventual development of travel agencies, guide books, package holidays etc.

But the status indicators have stayed the same. It should be authentic (living as the locals do rather than in a tourist resort) and improving (yoga retreats, historical explanations, visiting sites of natural beauty), that travelers should be comfortable with the language/food/history/social rules that they find (not looking for All-English menus, can speak some French / Italian etc,), that the trip should be arranged through personal networks and connections with means (family and friends with homes abroad rather than staying in a package hotel).

So that’s why my trip to France, staying in my parents holiday home, buying my wine from our favourite vigneron, shopping for food at the local markets, speaking French while ordering it, etc is always going to be more middle-class than your trip to a purpose-built tourist resort, eating the same foods you do at home, lying on a beach every day and just doing stuff for ‘fun’, whether it’s in Magaluf or Dubai. Because the social indicators of class status are set by the aristos and the middle classes try to copy them, while striving to set themselves apart from the working / lower classes.

I understood the aristos didn’t value education - it was seen as a bit middle class. Certainly Lady Mary in Downton made these kind of comments. The Queen in the Crown had to make big efforts to educate herself so she could understand state business…or are these portrayed incorrectly? - apologies for my references to popular tv shows but my interest in aristos doesn’t extend much further than that! 😄

DarklisAndIsa · 20/08/2022 13:06

Kalkan. I'm here at the minute and it's definitely yummy mummy central, all dressed in white linen or Scamp & Dude. Lots of privately educated children with what my children tell me are 'rugby haircuts' - kind of a mullet with hair shaved above the ears and long elsewhere. We've been here many times but I'm definitely not a typical yummy mummy 😂 (I sweat by the pool for one - these don't seem to. How is this possible?!) but we're never treated any differently to anyone else.

Chocchops72 · 20/08/2022 13:54

@dogcheck

I’d say there is a difference btw being ‘educated’ (as we understand it, often related to gaining knowledge and skills in a particular profession, which the aristos obviously didn’t need as they were never going to work) and having the appropriate cultural and social understanding that marked out a gentleman (and we are talking about men rather than women here). The Grand Tour was considered part of the bridge preparation of an aristocratic man, expected to hold his own among the European aristocracy, to mix with royalty, eventually sitting in the House of Lords etc. They didn’t need to be educated but they did need to fit in with their class.

i guess we’d call it social capital these days.

dogcheck · 20/08/2022 19:37

Chocchops72 · 20/08/2022 13:54

@dogcheck

I’d say there is a difference btw being ‘educated’ (as we understand it, often related to gaining knowledge and skills in a particular profession, which the aristos obviously didn’t need as they were never going to work) and having the appropriate cultural and social understanding that marked out a gentleman (and we are talking about men rather than women here). The Grand Tour was considered part of the bridge preparation of an aristocratic man, expected to hold his own among the European aristocracy, to mix with royalty, eventually sitting in the House of Lords etc. They didn’t need to be educated but they did need to fit in with their class.

i guess we’d call it social capital these days.

Thanks - sounds about right. I find it weird that people stick within the confines of these definitions. I like to sample a wide variety of experiences from wild camping to unashamed luxury and everything in between - there’s so much joy in diversity.

TheMoth · 20/08/2022 19:49

I'm educated. I am technically mc these days. I know I should be having improving holidays and broadening the minds of the dc. I'd love to do the full Byron, or wander about some dusty buildings, or do a road trip.

But fuck me, I'm knackered by August, so I'll be sitting on a hot beach on a Greek island, drinking Mythos with the hoi polloi on my one week away. I will also be making sure I have a sunbed for pool days and drink cocktails in the evening. We will play Uno though, which is massive marker of mc ness.

VaccineSticker · 20/08/2022 19:59

@Gwenhwyfar they head there for some winter sun- beachy holiday and good food in the same way most of do in the med during the summer time. I don’t see the problem.
I guess the shopping is a plus if it’s within reach of their area, although I don’t think they go there for the shopping…

Gwenhwyfar · 20/08/2022 20:20

VaccineSticker · 20/08/2022 19:59

@Gwenhwyfar they head there for some winter sun- beachy holiday and good food in the same way most of do in the med during the summer time. I don’t see the problem.
I guess the shopping is a plus if it’s within reach of their area, although I don’t think they go there for the shopping…

I don't see a huge problem either, mainly that it would be too expensive and possibly too hot for me. Is there any sight seeing there then? A holiday of just sunbathing sounds nice, but in reality is quite boring.

Holidaydreamingagain · 21/08/2022 13:43

Gwenhwyfar · 20/08/2022 20:20

I don't see a huge problem either, mainly that it would be too expensive and possibly too hot for me. Is there any sight seeing there then? A holiday of just sunbathing sounds nice, but in reality is quite boring.

Of course there is. There are lots of things to do. Old Dubai and the souks are interesting, the the burj is an experience not to be missed, it’s also very interesting to see how they built up an extraordinary modern city from the desert in a matter of years. (Politics aside). There are also some fun desert safaris etc as well as some museums. More than enough to entertain yourself for a week if you want to.

Gwenhwyfar · 21/08/2022 14:17

OK, fair enough. One to put on the list for after the lottery win then.

NanaNelly · 21/08/2022 14:42

Gwenhwyfar · 20/08/2022 10:53

What do they do there though? The image is just shopping.

Dubai is most certainly not all about shopping.

There are many sides to it. But that’s not what people usually want to hear.

sunja · 22/08/2022 19:39

www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/united-kingdom/nine-poshest-places-uk-holiday/

Most of the places on this thread were mentioned in the above article

Harridan1981 · 22/08/2022 20:39

What's on the list? Don't have a subscription