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Ukraine Invasion: Part 29

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MagicFox · 18/07/2022 08:11

Welcome all, part 29

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blueshoes · 01/08/2022 23:12

minsmum · 01/08/2022 23:01

You rather take things on faith with Twitter and the tendency is to let your own prejudices make you believe what you want to be true and ignore what you don't want to believe. All of this has made me realise what I don't know and I really want to educate myself

This is me too. There are many things I read and want to believe in but need to recognise my bias and inability to unpick the truth from manipulation.

That said, we are entitled to keep our hopes up for Ukraine. They have never wavered in their unshaking believe that they will take their land back eventually. The least we can do is stand in solidarity.

BreadInCaptivity · 01/08/2022 23:22

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minsmum · 01/08/2022 23:31

@blueshoes it raised some eyebrows when I asked for Putin's People and the new Anthony Beevor book about the Russian revolution for my birthday instead of some of the latest best sellers.

speaking of books and people to follow on Twitter any recommendations gratefully received

blueshoes · 02/08/2022 00:02

@blueshoes it raised some eyebrows when I asked for Putin's People and the new Anthony Beevor book about the Russian revolution for my birthday instead of some of the latest best sellers.

@minsmum this made me chuckle. They probably thought it best not to ask further and just took it down. Ukraine is also my little secret. I don't talk about it in real life. It is too heavy for normal chit chat. Whilst normal folk go about their banalities, I am thinking how's Ukraine doing today. Full of hope but then despair at the latest Russian atrocity.

Diam0ndsareagirlsbestfriend · 02/08/2022 07:30

Thank you for the thread.

Ijsbear · 02/08/2022 09:13

the faith thing, noticed the same myself. I try usually to doublecheck people's claims but it's not always easy, so you end up judging by the tone of the post which can be quite a mistake!

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The ISW have, after some days, come down on the side of the Russians destroying the POW barracks

ISW assesses that Russian forces were responsible for the killing of 53 Ukrainian POWs in an explosion at a Russian-controlled prison in Olenivka, Donetsk Oblast on July 28. Two US officials anonymously confirmed to Politico on August 1 that no traces of US-provided High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), Ukraine’s most precise artillery system, were found at the prison site.

Since they are cautious, I think we can take it as 100% confirmed now.

Key Takeaways

ISW assesses that Russian forces were responsible for the July 28 attack on the Olenivka prison that killed 53 Ukrainian POWs; two anonymous US officials confirmed that there is no evidence that Ukrainian forces used US-provided HIMARS, some of the only munitions Ukraine has that are precise enough to do the kind of limited damage seen in satellite and other imagery, to strike the prison.

Russian forces are transferring elements of the Eastern Military District (EMD) from the Slovyansk area to support defensive positions along the Southern Axis.

Russian forces did not conduct any offensive operations north of Slovyansk or around Siversk.

Russian forces conducted unsuccessful ground assaults on settlements south and southeast of Bakhmut.

Russian proxy authorities did not claim any territorial gains near Avdiivka as Russian forces launched unsuccessful ground assaults on Avdiivka and Pisky.

Russian regional officials are reportedly failing to provide promised payments to the “Atal” Volunteer Battalion of the Republic of Chuvashia.

The Kremlin is likely prioritizing propaganda and sham referenda over the welfare of Ukrainian civilians in occupied Ukrainian territories.

Russian occupation forces are likely increasing efforts to deter and suppress partisan movements in occupied territories as partisan attacks on Russian officials and Ukrainian collaborators continue.

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Investigative journalists: Judge supported by Western experts may be implicated in corruption
Olena Zaichko, a judge at the Kharkiv District Administrative Court suspected of corruption, was approved by the Ethics Council in June as a candidate for membership in the High Council of Justice, the judiciary’s highest governing body

⚡️ Mayor: Over a thousand buildings damaged in Mykolaiv since start of Russia’s war.

⚡️ SBU: Ukraine investigates 752 cases of treason, collaboration.
Ukraine’s Security Service reported that, as of Aug. 1, the greatest amount of cases of treason and collaborationism have been opened in Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson oblasts.

▪️ Big Four oilfield services giant Baker Hughes is selling its business in Russia, the company's press office said

🗣President of Poland Andrzej Duda equated the Russians in Mariupol with the German Nazis in Warsaw: "The same atrocities"

📝Russian servicemen who refused to renew their contracts and fight against Ukraine have filed a complaint with the Investigative Committee of Russia — the head of the Interregional Association of Human Rights Organizations "Agora", lawyer Pavel Chikov

🇺🇦🇫🇷 Zelensky and Macron had a one-hour-and-a-half conversation during which the President of Ukraine asked his French counterpart to help unblock the 8 billion euros of macro-financial aid to be provided by the EU

⚡️ The United States eliminated Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, who was hiding in a shelter in Kabul

📣 Olaf Scholz: Germany supplies Ukraine with weapons that even the German army doesn’t have — Globe and Mail
“We delivered everything we had: anti-tank and anti-aircraft systems, mines, cannons, tons of ammunition, and non-lethal aid. Since then, we've moved on to more complex and expensive systems. Self-propelled howitzers, multiple rocket launchers, anti-aircraft systems, counter-battery radars. Some of these systems are so new that very few of them have been produced, and some of them have not even been presented to the Bundeswehr," Scholz claims.

[The map at the bottom is well worth a look]

Ukraine Invasion: Part 29
Ukraine Invasion: Part 29
Ukraine Invasion: Part 29
RedToothBrush · 02/08/2022 09:23

Ijsbear · 01/08/2022 17:47

are they up to 15 HIMARS destroyed by now?

Soon the Russian will have destroyed more than the US have given Ukraine.

DrBlackbird · 02/08/2022 09:26

Thanks for update @Ijsbear

Full of hope but then despair at the latest Russian atrocity describes it perfectly. Really has dropped off many people’s minds it seems, but is heartbreaking at how a country can have a third of its territory taken and hundreds of thousands killed and millions displaced ‘just because’. Hard to see where or how this ends. Other than Ukraine acknowledging the loss of all that territory and joining nato and the EU as soon as possible.

Ijsbear · 02/08/2022 09:28

RedToothBrush · 02/08/2022 09:23

Soon the Russian will have destroyed more than the US have given Ukraine.

Apparently the Russians claim to have destroyed, 26 is it now? 26?

they were way ahead of us :D

TheABC · 02/08/2022 09:28

Well, China and India between them make up 1/4 of the world's population! They are neutral and I think that's the best we can hope for at the moment. China has ongoing issues with the USA whilst India has its own interests and a long standing relationship with Russia. They've also got to live with an unstable border neighbor after this has ended. I suspect a few analysts in the People's Republic are going "this had better not end up being North Korea Mark 2".

MagicFox · 02/08/2022 09:34

China are doubling down with Russia, and all the renewed tensions with the US are just fast tracking that. Iran are threatening the development of nuclear warheads. This is a very dangerous time and I'm not sure I have confidence in the cool heads as they don't seem to be there!! I really hope there's more control going on than we realise. Guterres speech to the UN was suitably terrifying. It feels a bit like we're in a whirlpool and can't get out. And it's all so stupid isn't it? Too many fragile male egos in this world

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DesdamonasHandkerchief · 02/08/2022 11:06

Ukraine is also my little secret. I don't talk about it in real life. It is too heavy for normal chit chat. Whilst normal folk go about their banalities, I am thinking how's Ukraine doing today. Full of hope but then despair at the latest Russian atrocity.

Spot on blueshoes, at the start of the invasion everyone I know was talking about the war IRL, now I feel like everyone has forgotten or is ignoring it. And as has been said on these threads before, the coverage by MLM gets less with each passing week.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 02/08/2022 11:15

MagicFox · 02/08/2022 09:34

China are doubling down with Russia, and all the renewed tensions with the US are just fast tracking that. Iran are threatening the development of nuclear warheads. This is a very dangerous time and I'm not sure I have confidence in the cool heads as they don't seem to be there!! I really hope there's more control going on than we realise. Guterres speech to the UN was suitably terrifying. It feels a bit like we're in a whirlpool and can't get out. And it's all so stupid isn't it? Too many fragile male egos in this world

It's a fucking terrifying time to be alive. Fragile male ego's is spot on. Too many madmen in charge. Time for women to take over the running of the world!

MissConductUS · 02/08/2022 11:19

Jeremy Corbin has said that we should stop arming Ukraine because Russian soldiers are dying. Um, no. They are killing Ukrainians, who are fighting back.

twitter.com/mayadeenenglish/status/1554132326610878465?s=21&t=fdIC0j8slvNR2PRCVwUwzQ

It's nice to know that not all of the nutters are on this side of the pond.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 02/08/2022 11:28

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 02/08/2022 11:06

Ukraine is also my little secret. I don't talk about it in real life. It is too heavy for normal chit chat. Whilst normal folk go about their banalities, I am thinking how's Ukraine doing today. Full of hope but then despair at the latest Russian atrocity.

Spot on blueshoes, at the start of the invasion everyone I know was talking about the war IRL, now I feel like everyone has forgotten or is ignoring it. And as has been said on these threads before, the coverage by MLM gets less with each passing week.

The only person I can talk with about Ukraine as a matter of course is my (ex-forces) son, who has a colleague who went back to Odesa in February in order to help defend his country. We share amused stories as well as anger and fear; for instance, last night I pointed him at the 2nd-floor HIMARS. But mostly he is angry, and I am afraid.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/08/2022 11:37

I notice that twice Jeremy Corbin said, “The Ukraine” which is the old Soviet Union name, isn’t it?

It is difficult to change old habits, but usually politicians try to be more sensitive and careful.

Ijsbear · 02/08/2022 12:05

Fragile male ego's is spot on This!

I can't believe Corbin said that.

On the significant side:

⚡️De Morgen: Belgium freezes Russian assets worth 50.5 billion euros.

According to Belgian media outlet De Morgen, the frozen assets include “all kinds of financial assets such as money and shares owned by 1,229 people and 110 other entities, such as Russian politicians, oligarchs, banks, and companies."

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 02/08/2022 12:18

ScrollingLeaves · 02/08/2022 11:37

I notice that twice Jeremy Corbin said, “The Ukraine” which is the old Soviet Union name, isn’t it?

It is difficult to change old habits, but usually politicians try to be more sensitive and careful.

Corbyn is an arse.

RedToothBrush · 02/08/2022 12:23

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 02/08/2022 11:15

It's a fucking terrifying time to be alive. Fragile male ego's is spot on. Too many madmen in charge. Time for women to take over the running of the world!

The only thing worse than fragile male egos, is a woman desperate to prove she can fit in with that...

I present you with Exhibit A.

Liz Truss.

RedToothBrush · 02/08/2022 12:24

Corbyn has always had some spectacular political blind spots. He has an ideology not an idea.

Plenty of similar within the Tory party too. And the LDs.

THATS the depressing thing. Polarisation.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 02/08/2022 12:25

Yes I saw Guterres speech reported in Sky news. It does feel critical doesn't it? I reassure myself with the fact we have been here before.
I am still very involved with the war effort and most of my friends never ask me how it's going. They already thought I was a bit eccentric but now I think they think I'm really odd. if I mention it in passing they say "oh are you STILL doing all that?!"

Oh well.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 02/08/2022 12:26

Exhibit A, Liz Truss 😂

ScrollingLeaves · 02/08/2022 14:15

@Hillsmakeyoustrong

oh are you STILL doing all that?!

Oh well.

It is a wonderful thing that you have kept going Hills.

If only Ukraine had the luxury of deciding they feel a bit bored by it all now.

blueshoes · 02/08/2022 14:34

ScrollingLeaves · 02/08/2022 14:15

@Hillsmakeyoustrong

oh are you STILL doing all that?!

Oh well.

It is a wonderful thing that you have kept going Hills.

If only Ukraine had the luxury of deciding they feel a bit bored by it all now.

Thank you @Hillsmakeyoustrong for your efforts in supporting the humanitarian relief in Ukraine. Do post if you are sending another aid convoy.

It frustrates me that Ukraine is so far down the news and people have such short memories. Ukraine does not have the luxury of moving onto other things when such unspeakably horrific things are being done to them.

MissConductUS · 02/08/2022 16:08

The Russians have destroyed a Ukrainian military ambulance and are claiming that it was a HIMARS.

twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1554179788495093760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

As you can see from the pictures, it plainly was not. While this has some comedic value, I wonder how they will explain the continued HIMARS missile strikes after destroying them all many times over.

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