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Johnson has fired Gove

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 06/07/2022 21:18

Couldn't have happened to a nicer chap.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 07/07/2022 07:26

takeitandleaveit · 06/07/2022 22:50

The Beeb has lately been having to deal with the shitshow of Nadine being culture secretary. I don't think the Tories are flavour of the month with Auntie just now!

See also: Channel 4 News.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 07/07/2022 07:29

PraiseBee · 06/07/2022 22:55

Had to double take. Read it as mistresses first time

He's probably got a lot more of those than ministers now.

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Normando91 · 07/07/2022 07:29

We’re up to a grand total of 50 resignations now. (May be 49 if that includes Gove)

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 07/07/2022 07:43

EmmaH2022 · 06/07/2022 23:02

How did he get through the no confidence vote? Did something happen after that we don't know about, I wonder.

What more do we need to know? He instructed his so called colleagues to go off and do interviews assuring everyone that Boris Johnson didn't know about Chris Pincher's long record of sexual assault allegations before appointing him as Deputy Chief Whip. Two days ago the ex-head of the Civil Service had to take to the airwaves to say what none of these pusillanimous cowards in the senior echelons of the Tory Party would say, namely that Boris Johnson knew all about it, had been briefed on it more than once, and didn't see it as a problem. 'Pincher by name, pincher by nature' he said, ha ha ha.

One might not expect more from a man who spent his formative years at a prep school with an abysmal record on sexual assault of pupils by teachers and older boys, whose father is accused of domestic violence and sexual assault, and who has himself been accused of sexual assault**. But it turns out that not all his colleagues feel the same way, or are at least astute enough to see that for a large segment of the electorate this is totally unacceptable.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashdown_House,East_Sussex
**en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Johnson
(writer)#Allegations_of_spousal_abuse_and_inappropriate_touching
https://time.com/5689788/boris-johnson-charlotte-edwardes-jennifer-arcuri/

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minou123 · 07/07/2022 07:48

Have they managed to find a Tory MP to do the rounds this morning?

Onacuctustree · 07/07/2022 07:53

Oh yes... Matt Hancock... You couldn't make this shit up!!!

RedToothBrush · 07/07/2022 07:55

This is a constitutional expert:

Mark Elliott AT profmarkelliott
Does the PM’s refusal to resign mean the UK is in a ‘constitutional crisis’? That’s a vague notion, but I think the answer is that it implies he’s willing to create one very soon. Another way of framing the question is: At what point must Boris Johnson resign? /1

As I’ve explained in another thread, Johnson has no ‘personal mandate’ as Prime Minister: that’s a concept unknown to the British constitution. Johnson’s invocation of ‘his’ 14 million votes is a constitutional dead cat. /2

The Prime Minister’s legitimacy derives from their leadership of a party that can form a Government capable of commanding the confidence of the House of Commons. If Johnson is ousted as Conservative leader, constitutional principle will require him to resign as PM. /3

If the Conservative Party was unable to oust him as its leader (eg if the 1922 Committee fails to change its rules and organise a new vote of no confidence), the Opposition could move a motion of no confidence in the House of Commons. /4

If the Commons voted no confidence, Johnson would be constitutionally required to resign. It would then be open to the Queen to appoint as PM the person best placed to command the confidence of the Commons. Otherwise, there would need to be dissolution & a general election. /5

The principle that the PM must be able to govern, including by appointing Ministers to their Government, is so obvious that it is not generally articulated in constitutional texts. But it is surely an implicit constitutional principle. It seems Johnson cannot now govern /6

If, therefore, Johnson cannot populate his Government with Ministers, he will arguably be required, as a matter of constitutional principle, to resign, although a vote of no confidence would formally confirm that position. /7

It is not straightforwardly open to Johnson to escape a requirement to resign by calling a general election, because the Queen would arguably be entitled to refuse to dissolve Parliament in the current circumstances, as explained here. /8

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Whatever else might be unclear this afternoon, one thing is perfectly clear: Boris Johnson has no right straightforwardly to call a general election. Under the Lascelles Principles, the Queen can deny a request to dissolve Parliament when the following conditions are met.
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Where does this leave us? Johnson plainly now lacks the confidence of most of his MPs and therefore the Commons, so it is arguably already his constitutional duty to resign, but a vote of no confidence will put that beyond doubt. /9

Johnson’s insistence he’ll carry on implies he’s willing to create a constitutional crisis. If he refused to resign following a vote of no confidence, the Queen would be entitled to dismiss him. It’s therefore constitutionally idiotic for him not to resign now. 10/10

The Queen is probably getting constitutional advice at this point and is probably pretty pissed off. I wouldn't be surprised if Johnson gets a quiet phonecall. If he then ignores that, she will be doubly pissed at having to do something publicly.

The sheer narcissism at this point, really is a sight to behold.

Johnson has fired Gove
BluOcty · 07/07/2022 07:55

What about Zahawi manoeuvring himself into the chancellor's position and then knifing Boris in the back? Jeez who could vote for some game of thrones shit like that 🤮

minou123 · 07/07/2022 07:57

Onacuctustree · 07/07/2022 07:53

Oh yes... Matt Hancock... You couldn't make this shit up!!!

I just saw him on BBC.

I don't know how to describe it, but he looked a bit weird. It was something in his facial expression and body language.

RedToothBrush · 07/07/2022 08:00

These two are also significant interventions. Da costa is a parliamentary process expert, frost is an influential tory with significant standing within the party

David Frost AT davidghfrost
A quick comment on the current situation.

The Prime Minister cannot continue because the business of government cannot continue & because it is clear that he is not supported by his Party in Parliament.

I hoped he might have reflected overnight and come to realise that. (1)

If the PM insists on fighting this out then he will cause serious damage to the Party and Government, and destroy his place in history.

If he insists on waiting until another vote of MPs then the 1922 Exec should meet and facilitate one more quickly than planned. ( 2)

Those who continue to support the PM in his actions will suffer serious damage to their reputations in future. I urge Cabinet Ministers, especially those who saw him last night, to dissociate themselves rapidly and step down, as BrandonLewis & siminhartmp have done. (3)

It is also clear now that, when the PM accepts reality, he must step down straightaway. He cannot now credibly be a caretaker Prime Minister while a leadership election is taking place. We have a Deputy PM who can straightforwardly fulfil that role and he should. (4)

Nikki da costa at nmdacosta
I have avoided commenting but this cannot go on. David is right. To the PM personally, you know how proud I was to serve in your team. In a very dark hour you asked who would “hold the bridge with me”. What bridge now are you asking the Party to hold?

RedToothBrush · 07/07/2022 08:02

The lectern should appear no later than 10am otherwise he's a complete fuckwit and no tory will ever forgive him for it.

We do have to ask, is he hanging on because he knows he is legally exposed to something?

SunflowerGardens · 07/07/2022 08:03

Another day of the PM digging in his heels whilst the government collapses and the Tory party eat each other. Delicious Grin

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 07/07/2022 08:03

Surely he's not immune from prosecution while he holds the office of PM?

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Ncwinc · 07/07/2022 08:05

’The lectern should appear no later than 10am otherwise he's a complete fuckwit and no tory will ever forgive him for it.’

They picked him as leader knowing exactly who and what he was. Consequences are a bitch.

RedToothBrush · 07/07/2022 08:06

Sam Freedman at samfr
Genuinely the only news event I can remember that felt like this was the O J Simpson car chase.

Onacuctustree · 07/07/2022 08:07

minou123 · 07/07/2022 07:57

I just saw him on BBC.

I don't know how to describe it, but he looked a bit weird. It was something in his facial expression and body language.

Robotic. I would say.
He's been told he'll be back in the fold if he does the work for the devil..
BJ has no idea how optics work.
Send out the adulterous MP when you are under pressure for giving a known sex pest a job..
Good grief.

RedToothBrush · 07/07/2022 08:08

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 07/07/2022 08:03

Surely he's not immune from prosecution while he holds the office of PM?

He is not, but the office can be used to diswade the police from 'getting politically involved'. This in itself is an abuse of power, but it still has arguable happened several times this parliament.

RedToothBrush · 07/07/2022 08:10

Nicholas Watt at nicholaswatt (bbc newsnight)
Very long faces in Boris Johnson’s inner circle at his suggestion that he might try to trigger a general election. One member tells me: “The Queen needs to be busy next week so the PM can’t meet her.”

SunflowerGardens · 07/07/2022 08:12

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 07/07/2022 08:03

Surely he's not immune from prosecution while he holds the office of PM?

God knows who's after him if he's promised to bring in laws they want and hasn't delivered.The UVF might want to do his kneecaps in after all that protocol hooha. More likely to be some big businessmen he owes money to though or someone else blackmailing him in some way.

AmaryIlis · 07/07/2022 08:24

I'd love to know what's going on in Buckingham Palace at this moment. I suspect the lines are buzzing between them and various senior cabinet members.

RedToothBrush · 07/07/2022 08:27

Sky making the point that liz truss, ben wallace and priti patel can not resign because the country needs them to sign off important tasks for national / international security.

(eg who signs off stuff for MI5 / MI6 or to authorise the release of arms to Ukraine).

BalloonSlayer · 07/07/2022 08:28

Anyone else imagining David Cameron and Theresa May having a gleeful little WhatsApp group?

SnottyLottie · 07/07/2022 08:35

A political commentator on Sky News has said they think the only reason why Priti Patel is staying is because she is only one of two left who can sign security warrants (for MI5, MI6 and police). The other is Liz Truss.

CanaryShoulderedThorn · 07/07/2022 08:46

BalloonSlayer · 07/07/2022 08:28

Anyone else imagining David Cameron and Theresa May having a gleeful little WhatsApp group?

Well I'm not a big Tory fan but Theresa May was at least not a sociopathic sleaze bag and there was a sense that she was honourable and principled. She also had the measure of Priti Patel and had the balls to sack her.

minou123 · 07/07/2022 08:51

RedToothBrush · 07/07/2022 08:02

The lectern should appear no later than 10am otherwise he's a complete fuckwit and no tory will ever forgive him for it.

We do have to ask, is he hanging on because he knows he is legally exposed to something?

I think you are right @RedToothBrush

My money is with you. Bet on, BJ resigning at 10am.