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Boris Johnson and the cabinet of curiosities Thread 8

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InMySpareTime · 02/07/2022 06:47

Previous thread:

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4570362-boris-johnson-parties-and-the-loss-of-the-ethics-adviser-part-7

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WaitroseWoman · 06/07/2022 18:43

It's coming to something when the person BJ appointed as the new Chancellor only yesterday - Nadhim Zahawi - is apparently in No 10 just now in the group advising BJ to go.

Roussette · 06/07/2022 18:44

tobee · 06/07/2022 18:37

Someone do a new thread please?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4584475-boris-johnson-and-the-long-road-to-nowhere-38-resignations-and-counting-thread-9

Here we go.

We can't be without a thread at this crucial moment in time!

Roussette · 06/07/2022 18:45

WaitroseWoman · 06/07/2022 18:43

It's coming to something when the person BJ appointed as the new Chancellor only yesterday - Nadhim Zahawi - is apparently in No 10 just now in the group advising BJ to go.

It's pretty snake like isn't it?

He was going to resign if he didn't get the Chancellor job. Then he does this.

(Rather wonderful actually !)

itsgettingweird · 06/07/2022 18:54

Beth Rigby "wouldn't you like to be a corgi on the floor?" In response to Johnson's weekly phone all with the queen.

She's been brilliant today.

WaitroseWoman · 06/07/2022 19:06

Roussette · 06/07/2022 18:36

Chris Pincher was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Ministers were sent out to make absolute fools of themselves repeating what they'd been told which was a pack of lies over two days. It was embarrassing because we knew.

Yes to stacking his cabinet with loyalists. It didn't matter if they were capable of doing the job. Or not.

The blow job story becoming so public also contributed to BJ's downfall, even the hairdresser rumour and the £150k tree house to an extent at a time of hardship for so many. Making a 'laughing stock' of the Tory Party and its highest office, and some of them do actually have, or like to be seen to have at least, family values.

WaitroseWoman · 06/07/2022 19:10

Priti-awful Patel also entered No 10 by a side door and is in there, although I think it's currently unknown which side she is on.

WaitroseWoman · 06/07/2022 19:15

Brandon Lewis MP/NI SoS is also meant to be there - apparently in the camp advising BJ to resign - but was last heard of stuck in airport delays at Belfast. Funny that, when the airport chaos is at least partly his government's fault.

vera99 · 06/07/2022 19:16

There is a #backboris hashtag trending on Twitter. So I went to have a look.....

Boris Johnson and the cabinet of curiosities Thread 8
WaitroseWoman · 06/07/2022 19:24

The Times is reporting that even Priti Patel is in the BJ should go camp - only one source though.

newnamethanks · 06/07/2022 19:30

Ohhhh, sorry to have missed most of this today, I hope everyone's had a full measure of pleasure after so much awfulness. Not over yet but on the way. Yay😀

Roussette · 06/07/2022 19:40

@newnamethanks

Just in case you missed it... there's a new thread... this one is keeping going but we're coming toward the end

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4584475-boris-johnson-and-the-long-road-to-nowhere-38-resignations-and-counting-thread-9

Wrongkindofovercoat · 06/07/2022 19:45

Could Boris pick any 22 MP's to become Ministers ? or is there a process he has to go through ?

WaitroseWoman · 06/07/2022 19:53

Shapps has left No 10.

BBC 19:33
PM reportedly seeing ministers one by one
The Sun's political editor Harry Cole is reporting, citing sources, that Boris Johnson is seeing cabinet ministers one at a time rather than facing a whole delegation.
He says that a number stated that they would resign on Tuesday night or today without any movement.
They were subsequently invited to Downing Street, says Cole, to tell the prime minister to his face.

19:35
What if Johnson refuses to step down?
Nicholas Watt
Political editor, BBC Newsnight
I just asked an ally of a cabinet minister who is in No 10 calling on the PM to go: what would happen if he refuses?
"Then Boris Johnson won't have a cabinet," came the swift reply.

TheABC · 06/07/2022 20:02

According to Sky News, they are telling him to go and he is refusing. The Tories will need a way to legally eject him as political pressure is not working.

Is anyone surprised....?

AmaryIlis · 06/07/2022 21:05

Notonthestairs · 06/07/2022 18:05

Steven Swinford of the Times suggesting there are two groups in Number 10 - on trying to persuade him to go, the other arguing it will lead to a GE. I think we can guess which group Dorries is in.

twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1544728307895341056?s=21&t=3meeUxYLbzeS6mKjfErhNw

He'd be a fool to listen to Dorries on that. Of course she's going to say he should stay, she knows she will be out of a job once he goes.

But then, he is a fool.

newnamethanks · 06/07/2022 21:34

Michael Gove? Blimey. Actually, I'm speechless. I have no idea what Johnson expects to win, nor how he thinks he will do it. Has he got to be manhandled to the Tower? Chased by tricoteuses? (I'm available to help) Evicted by bailiffs? It's all very Trumpesque. He couldn't be pushing towards a bit of civic unrest could he? Where Patel's law could be deployed followed by a State of Emergency with Strong Boris unshakeably in charge? I sound like a paranoid nutter. How the hell have I come to this where I'm even giving it a moment's thought?

DowningStreetParty · 07/07/2022 06:51

It’s actually really chilling all this. That Sun cover splash about dipping in Blood. The Daily Mail cover, still supporting him (which reminds me of that ‘saboteurs’ front page over the judges and illegal proroguing.) It’s Trump stuff.

Basically Boris must feel he doesn’t need to have his colleagues’ support and that he doesn’t need to test the will of the people again at a GE just because he has the Sun and the Mail on his side and knows that will give him control over a lot of people. It’s so massively undemocratic it’s frightening.

So now one man’s psychological issues and misplaced priorities are going to drag us into constitutional crisis. The value of the pound and markets will crash further. There is likely to be public disorder. It’s outrageous that he is doing this to us.

Sorry to mention this as it will be triggering for some people but the sight of an angry man’s adamant refusal to leave is actually very disturbing to see, as a woman. I won’t say anything else about that here but it’s frightening to watch and will be giving some of us an extreme concerns around his personality and motivations.

What do we need to happen?
MPs to resign as MPs? (I’ll be writing to my Tory MP again today, at least they have now said publicly that Boris Johnson should go, but have fallen short of saying they will definitely vote no confidence if there’s a vote. In this climate I will take nothing for granted.)
Mass public demonstrations? (Or is that what Johsnon wants?- Trumpian unrest on the streets in his name?)

I feel like we’re all being held hostage as a country quite literally as he is setting fire to the economy and democratic norms. This situation is way out of control. The psychology that enables it all is really frightening.

DowningStreetParty · 07/07/2022 08:07

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-62073135
this link shows the papers
Daily Mail uncritically reporting Johnson as saying that there will be ‘chaos’ if he's ousted
The Sun talking about ‘blood’ being needed to get rid of Johnson and ‘overthrowing’ the elected will of the people.

What the fuck are they doing? It’s edging towards incitement to violence like Trump.

And as I must have posted a million times now, this is really not about Boris Johnson being out of control any more, it’s about the whole Conservative party who have propped him up this far and despite this absolute madness still won’t actually get rid of him because they know what a shameful acknowledgment that necessary action really is.
The Conservative Party have always had the power to vote remove Boris Johnson as their leader.. and even now, they just won’t do it.

DowningStreetParty · 07/07/2022 08:18

Leave have done exactly what the ‘west’ do internationally. Install a leader to do their bidding then lose control because only a maniac would do what they want. BJ is a very English Gaddafi.

^ this really resonated with me as very psychologically accurate from CornettoNinja on the other thread
www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4584475-boris-johnson-and-the-long-road-to-nowhere-38-resignations-and-counting-thread-9?page=22

Boris Johnson was always the no compromise, populist Get Brexit Done man. That was always a massively unreasonable, likely to be international law-breaking, incredibly hardline policy position to take. And this is how the candidate with that mentality ends up behaving. It’s shocking, but it’s also predictable.

ApplesandBunions · 07/07/2022 08:45

DowningStreetParty · 07/07/2022 08:18

Leave have done exactly what the ‘west’ do internationally. Install a leader to do their bidding then lose control because only a maniac would do what they want. BJ is a very English Gaddafi.

^ this really resonated with me as very psychologically accurate from CornettoNinja on the other thread
www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4584475-boris-johnson-and-the-long-road-to-nowhere-38-resignations-and-counting-thread-9?page=22

Boris Johnson was always the no compromise, populist Get Brexit Done man. That was always a massively unreasonable, likely to be international law-breaking, incredibly hardline policy position to take. And this is how the candidate with that mentality ends up behaving. It’s shocking, but it’s also predictable.

Yep. This is not a surprise to the millions of us who clocked him a long time back.

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