1 in 4 pregnancies ends in abortion?

[MultiBird]

Reading the BBC article about the US ruling, it says that in the US 1 in 6 pregnancies ends in abortion, which I thought seemed very high, but I looked it up and it's 1 in 4 in UK.

I'd fight very hard indeed if anyone challenged a woman's right to choose here, but isn't that very high? Is there some truth in the argument that it's being used as contraception? I've heard it said before and dismissed it as ridiculous but 25%?!

Bear with me a sec and I'll post the links.

YY @IDontWanna If child free by choice women were listened to and believed that would lessen the amount of abortions.

@FourTeaFallOut YY Im child free by choice and live in social housing. Tories and their voters scream blue murder at ppl like me not to have kids we cant afford. I didnt want kids cos i didnt want a life of drudgery but the result is the same i "did as i was told" But I have no doubt that i will be gaslighted and blamed in ten years time now the birth rate is falling.

I think people who say 'women should be allowed to have abortions but' and then go on listing how they want those women to

jump through hoops
appreciate the gravity of their act (i.e. feel shame and misery)
are misogynists in our own ranks.

Absolutely. Internalised misogyny is a huge issue.

I hate the but argument

either you support women having control over her own body or you don’t

its disingenuous as is the line I wouldn’t have one myself but ….

It's Jane round the corner who doesn't bother with contraception at all and is on her 4th, 5th (and so on) abortion I disapprove of.

you disapprove of ! So the first one or two are ok but not the rest ? Are the first 2 fetuses worth less than the others? Who decided how many abortions are acceptable?

Indeed. And at a much, much higher proportion of salary than they currently are meant to, so that it actually covers 50% of the cost of raising a child.

If jane exists, pp is judgemental of their own friend or family member, poor sod.

If they're not real, ita a moot point anyway.

I cant stand this abortions as contraception line. Theres no truth in it. And as you say, when is one too many.

totally agree.

it's all lovely being pro life but what are they actually doing for children in carehomes?

Exactly

The stats on outcomes for kids from different backgrounds don't appear to support this.

That’s quite sad actually. Why would they want to keep going through all that ? @Suzi888

If they were poor and unemployed there’s be getting called all sorts of names .

Ah yes because stats are better than real life experiences, of course.

Do a day in my job, working with a certain group of children and you will see that money and jobs mean shit

@beautyisthefaceisee stats work at population level. They are not representative at individual or small local group level. Clearly your team in your area is doing great things. However, your local experience amounts only to anecdote and cannot be generalised from.

Both forms of information are necessary and relevant to improve 1) research and 2) people's lives.

But I'm entitled to an opinion. and I have found that young, single, somehow underprivilege parents can do as good as if not better than those not in that category. hence why I get fed up wiht them being used as collateral.

Ah yes because stats are better than real life experiences, of course.

Well, yes. That's exactly what statistics do? They quantify outcomes etc?

Based on collating a representative sample of real life experiences in a proper, scientifically valid study. Do you think stats are made up and not based on real people's experiences? I don't understand what you mean.

Then I am a murderer. Serial killer in fact.

Two late term terminations, one where my baby was born living, his heart stopped beating as we all lay sleeping together. The second, she was already passed at birth. And a missed miscarriage where I needed medical management.

All wanted, all loved, all grieved for.

I thought of myself as a murderer for a long time, but it was an act of love and compassion.

You may look down on me, and judge me if you wish, but it would say more about you than it would about me.

@ThreeLightbulbsGone .

MamanDeChoix does not speak for the majority, she's an extreme outlier in her opinions and you should not lend them any weight or authority.

So sorry for what you’ve been through @ThreeLightbulbsGone

Most compassionate, understanding people don’t think like MamanDeChoix.

I am not a Christian, but I also don’t think genuine Christians think like her either (I know the person for whom that religion is named, wouldn’t think like that).

The 2 children cap on benefits came into play in March 2017.

Oh pal <3 <3 <3

I'm so sorry you thought of yourself as a murderer for one second. These people should hang their head in shame.

@MamanDeChoix
If you are a half decent person you will address that poster, apologise, and keep your nasty opinions to yourself.

That poster won't say anything as mumsnet banned them several days ago for being deliberately horrible and also being a previously banned poster.

The OP has said that 1 in 4 pregnancies ends in abortion in the UK. I have looked through the statistics that the OP referred to and can't find anything that says that.

The headline statistic is 18.2 abortions per 1000 Women. (Not pregnant Women)

OP where did you see the 1 in 4 number ?

Excellent news.

@BemusedStatistics. This is taken from last year in the Times. It must have been updated.

One in four pregnancies ends in abortion in England and Wales
The number of pregnancies ending in abortion went up among all age groups in 2019

More than one in four pregnancies now end in abortion as more older women opt for terminations, figures show.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) said that the share of women who choose abortion is now more than a quarter for the first time as the number rose for the second year in a row.

Figures released this week showed that 25.2 per cent of conceptions in England and Wales ended in abortion in 2019, up from 24 per cent the previous year.

The report comes after years of rising numbers of pregnancies among women in their late 30s and 40s who have delayed starting families.