1 in 4 pregnancies ends in abortion?

[MultiBird]

Reading the BBC article about the US ruling, it says that in the US 1 in 6 pregnancies ends in abortion, which I thought seemed very high, but I looked it up and it's 1 in 4 in UK.

I'd fight very hard indeed if anyone challenged a woman's right to choose here, but isn't that very high? Is there some truth in the argument that it's being used as contraception? I've heard it said before and dismissed it as ridiculous but 25%?!

Bear with me a sec and I'll post the links.

I'm always surprised when people think having abortion after abortion is the "easy option".

Having had 2 abortions, they're definitely not easy and I've required days off work to manage them.

There are countless reasons why women seek abortions

Do they count abortions due to health reasons in their stats?

As in, I assume that advised abortions - perhaps to save one twin, the life of the mother, etc etc - are they banned too?

Isnt it the case in the UK you have to have 2 separate doctors agree to it?

You really don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m sorry but you’re coming at this an angle where you have no clue about other peoples lives (thankfully). But this is a prime example of why the masses should never get to decide on matters of human rights.

You think there’s a blasé attitude to abortion but equally you have a blasé attitude to the impact of having a child on a woman’s life. I know you feel it’s her fault she’s in the position but someone who has had 5-8 abortions, it tells you a lot about that woman and how vulnerable she is. You see it as a sign that she’s a disgrace. I see it as a sign that she’s had a car crash of a life and a serious issue with safety and self worth.

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And that woman is exactly the woman thank god abortions are legal for.

I think who when and why are all red herrings - you either support women to make their own choice or you don’t.

however I also think that there’s a need for more/better/easier contraception as surely where it’s possible avoiding conceiving is better than aborting. I’m basing thst on recent experience of supporting someone through an early medical abortion, I naively didn’t expect the level of physical pain that came with it.

Abortion is a medical term for the cessation of a pregnancy. So a miscarriage is an abortion . The abortions which we normally use that term for, are medically known as induced abortions.

that is outrageous.

What goes on in my uterus is my business. IME anti abortion folk are hurt, damaged people who would be better dealing with their own issues rather than meddling with the bodies and autonomy of pregnant women.🙄

The family member of mine who has had repeated abortions yet no contraception is most definitely not vulnerable nor has she had a car crash of a life. Far from it. I have not said she is a disgrace, I have said she's cavalier and careless when it comes to contraception and abortion, and I stand by it.

Nobody here is going to change my mind and I'm not seeking to change theirs.

I vehemently disagree with the notion that taking no steps to avoid pregnancy but simply having repeated avoidable abortions is morally fine and acceptable.

There are alot of so called accidental pregnancies these days where people swear they were caught short and now pregnant in a less than ideal situation, but how many of those do you think are really contraception failures? IUD's are 99% effective, the implant more than 99% effective, the pill is around 91% effective, condoms 98% effective.

If somebody is having 5-8 abortions they are clearly not on contraception but bloody well should be.

Learning disabilities, abuse, assault (etc) aside there is no excuse for sexually active people who don't want children not to be using some form of contraception. Note my use of the word people because men need a massive kick up the arse themselves "I don't liiiiike condoms" - tough shit. Get a vasectomy then.

One reason why I don't believe it should be made as easy as getting a pill through the post! Women should jump through hoops and yes it should be an ordeal, as that is a deterrent to ever let mistakes happen again. Yes, some women do think of it as just an extension of contraceptives. But not having an abortion as an option if far more damaging

Women should jump through hoops and yes it should be an ordeal

You think it should be an ordeal? To punish women for getting pregnant when they didn't want to?? Are you serious???

What fucking century are you living in where you think making something so fundamental as reproductive healthcare difficult, to act as a deterrent?

Is your name Aunt Lydia??

What hoops do you believe women should jump through exactly @MissMaple82 ?

Women should jump through hoops and yes it should be an ordeal

Oh fuck off. No it shouldn't be an ordeal and nor should we have to jump through hoops to access basic health care.

Jesus christ I've seen it all now.

That's great if you are living a free, unencumbered, safe life.

But many women, and girls, are not.

And what you are actually advocating is shaming women, harming their mental health, in order to teach them to live by your moral code - regardless of their circumstances.

Good for you that your life allows you that freedom. But shame for not understanding that many women aren't that privileged.

Let’s imagine the figure is 1 in 4 - or even 1 in 10 - what happens economically and environmentally if all those kids are here?

There are too many humans already. People can’t cope with the cost of living as it is. No one either can or wants to pay more taxes. Women are under-represented in many roles which has terrible global consequences (war). So removing all the emotion from it, some people on here need to be prepared for a MASSIVE hike in taxes and far worse if these rights were either revoked. We’ll see exactly what happens in the US. Or we have our own history with this and perhaps should revert to unmarried mother and baby laundries where they earn their keep, do their penance and don’t intrude on the rest of society with their shame.

Yes, there is some low hanging fruit wrt contraception access in the UK. We could do better. As pregnancy is more dangerous than not being pregnant, ideally nobody who doesn't want a baby would experience it.

When pregnancy has occurred anyway, bringing humans into the world who nobody wants to look after and in greater numbers than we have any realistic chance of successfully adopting on a societal level is a fucking stupid idea. I agree that arguing over the whys and wherefores is moot.

It's true, we already know full well what it looks like when lots of children nobody actually wants to look after are brought into the world. Infanticide and orphanages. The desire to adopt and ability to do so successfully isn't wide enough to solve that problem either.

What the actual fuck? What is wrong with you? You want women to suffer so they think twice next time? Why do you hate women so much?

And we're callous and cavalier?

I agree with every word you say there.

Thanks.

And nobody who wants to restrict abortion access ever really has a solution to this. We just hear about how people should be more responsible, which sure in some cases is true, and not every prolifer anecdote about their cousin's friend's feckless neighbour on their 9th abortion or whatever is a lie. I don't dispute that it would be better if nobody who didn't want a baby ever got pregnant. It would be nice if self indulgent bleating about how abortion shouldn't be a contraceptive actually achieved anything, it really would.

But none of that actually changes the fundamentals of the situation.

Women do have to jump through hoops, otherwise they could pick up the abortion pill with their weekly shop.
Women do have to go through an ordeal, it can be quite painful I understand.

Men getting these women pregnant however, there's no ordeal or hoops to deter them is there

The pills in the post option is not going away anyway, regardless of anyone's feelings on the matter. That ship has sailed.