1 in 4 pregnancies ends in abortion?

[MultiBird]

Reading the BBC article about the US ruling, it says that in the US 1 in 6 pregnancies ends in abortion, which I thought seemed very high, but I looked it up and it's 1 in 4 in UK.

I'd fight very hard indeed if anyone challenged a woman's right to choose here, but isn't that very high? Is there some truth in the argument that it's being used as contraception? I've heard it said before and dismissed it as ridiculous but 25%?!

Bear with me a sec and I'll post the links.

Why shouldn't we be looking down on those who choose to kill unborn children?

@placewherewebelong
I bet that you judge plenty.

Bet you judge murderers?

Why shouldn't we be looking down on those who choose to kill unborn children?

Because they're not unborn children. Children can't be unborn.
It's a clump of cells. Are you telling me if you got cancer you wouldn't remove that unwanted clump of cells? That's as much natural and as much human as an embryo or foetus.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/abortion-statistics-for-england-and-wales-2021/abortion-statistics-england-and-wales-2021
as pp has said 18.6 per 1000 or 1.86% or less than 2 per cent not 25%

'It's an absolutely disgusting figure imo and does show its being used as a method of contraception, especially given the number of repeat aborters!'

So what do you propose? Force them to have the babies? Do you think someone who uses abortion as a contraceptive is likely to make a good parent to an unwanted child?

I will bite my tongue on what I'd like to say to not be banned.

Would you look down on those if it was your daughter, your friend or your mother?

Btw, choosing to kill is a deliberately obtuse and frankly disgusting line of argument.

I would support women in that situation over women like you, every day of the week.

Strange question which appears to be related to nothing, but it would depend on the situation, obviously.

It's fine to want the number of abortions needed to go down. You don't do that by restricting access, though.

I'd like every child born, to be wanted by its parents.
I'd like men to bear as much responsibility as women.

@MultiBird

The title thread is very misleading and designed to shock. Typical of a newspaper headline more suited to the DM than the times and should have been properly qualified and explained in the OP.

If only 2% of pregnant women have an abortion, but 1 in 4/5 pregnancies end in abortion, there are a vast number of women using abortion as contraception. This is the issue not a headline grabbing number which makes the UK look like the abortion epicentre of the world.

The debate needs to be on WHY women are not give appropriate contraception advice or access to contraception and why men are getting away with not using condoms and why social media/media is encouraging unprotected sex.

The title points the finger at the small minority of women who have made the tough decision to have an abortion, feel guilty, because 1-4 pregnancies is actually a shameful figure and an indictment of sex education and NHS provision.

Having read through all the notes it was interesting that the majority of abortions were early intervention, pre- 10 weeks, the 2-part pill.

Something of a blessing, all those women recognising they had experienced a contraception fail and being able to access the pill.

This is simply the semantics used to try and remove the emotion from the fact that women are choosing to kill their unborn child. That's what they are. Whether at foetal stage or not. They are an unborn child.

If the rhetoric about cells etc is so true, why are women who miscarry these cells mourning the deaths of their unborn babies?

And maybe the Op should have stated clearly, it was not, 1 in 4 pregnant women, as that is the implication.

Most pregnant women want their babies, and a decision to abort is often agonising and distressing.

I have no issue with abortion, and in fact I'm not that bothered about it being used as contraception, but it's not good for the women themselves or their bodies, and I wonder if they are being pressurised into unprotected sex and these are vulnerable women?

So judging the murderer of a born person or animal is acceptable, but not acceptable to judge the killers of unborn babies?

but not acceptable to judge the killers of unborn babies?

I doubt that many people see a foetus of a few weeks old as a baby. It's just a bunch of cells.

Why do women who can't get pregnant at all get so upset about remaining childless?

Literally no "baby" involved there at all.

It's almost as if people invest emotion in their hopes and dreams for the future, regardless of the physical reality. Do you struggle with basic understanding of human emotions generally?

I note you think men should be able to control women's bodies. Are you male or female?

You are using disgusting tactics to try and win your argument. There is no place for these views on MN, and I think yo need to be aware that you will be really hurting and upsetting people.

Can you read?

I trust women to make these decisions. It doesn't matter how many there are.

"There should be, imo, far tighter restrictions and a move towards the father having greater rights over their unborn child. We supposedly expect equality that men should now be viewed as equal parents, except when it comes to killing their unborn children!"

What you are actually advocating for here is men having rights over a woman's body. I cannot express how much I disagree with that sentiment.

Everyone should have the right to decide what happens to their own body. And nobody else should be able to dictate otherwise

If somebody does the same thing over and over again it can't really be called a mistake can it? Wilful negligence at best.

If contraception fails and circumstances don't allow for having a baby then by all means do what is right for you, just have the common sense to try and prevent it happening in the first place and most definitely the next.

Millions of women up and down the country do see that 'bunch of cells' as a baby, hence women (and even men) grieving the loss of early miscarriages.

As PP said, referring to the pregnancy as just a ball of cells is semantics and designed to remove emotion from the argument to make aborting more acceptable.

🙄 at 'killing unborn babies'

@MamanDeChoix do you also consider the coil to be a part of that process? Or the MAP?

And as for Barely - still banging on about all these women who 'use abortion as contraception' - even if you don't agree with it, you don't get to police their choices.

@Barelyfunctioning3 terminating a pregnancy is always acceptable.

And if they dont?

So women who have abortions are "killers of unborn babies"?  @MamanDeChoix thankfully neither you nor @Barelyfunctioning3 actually have any say as to who has a right to an abortion. Women will continue to have them despite your twisted opinions of them.