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Why Are So Many Survivors Supporting Johnny Depp?

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CaptSkippy · 26/05/2022 21:51

Why Are So Many Survivors Supporting Johnny Depp?

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TheAverageUser · 27/05/2022 07:26

How do the findings of that article sit with the fact that Amber Heard is a hugely successful, ambitious and rich celebrity with opportunities open to her that few women have?

KitBumbleB · 27/05/2022 07:29

I don't believe Johnny Depp washes his hands when he goes to the toilet....

Cant stand the man, never have, nothing to do with Heard.
I'm not sure if she was officially diagnosed with BPD or if it was just the opinion of the psychiatrist but it would make a lot of sense, begging him not to leave even though he was (allegedly) violent etc.

People mocking Heard for taking pictures and videos when that is exactly what DV charities tell people to do.

And the Kate Moss thing is a red herring. Heard never said Depp pushed Moss, only that she had been told, a rumour, and that it stuck in her mind and scared her.

Like if you went to a nightclub and saw a man looking at you, you fancy him, but your friend tells you he is just out of jail for assault. You believe your friend, you dont know this man is violent for sure, but you believe him to be and so it changes your behaviour.

Isaidnoalready · 27/05/2022 07:34

Buzzer3555 · 26/05/2022 22:47

Because not all women tell the truth and not all men are abusive

This ^^

Staynow · 27/05/2022 07:42

DailySheetWasher · 26/05/2022 23:43

None of us can possibly know the whole truth except for them. The testimony and evidence has revealed appalling behaviour from both. Anyone who's vehemently standing by one side or the other is revealing their (subconscious or otherwise) prejudice.

Completely agree with this.

But so many people on here seem to be obsessed by one or the other and ready to completely denounce anyone with the opposite (but equally extreme) view over looking all evidence in the process.

Those on AH's side seem happy to completely overlook that she lied under oath, that there is a recording of her saying she hit him and that she belittles him for walking away when things started getting physical. How 'she should have acted' though is honestly. I tried to read the article but I couldn't get past 'critics might want us to believe that she lost (some) survivors’ support because she is a liar'. No really, that is a legitimate reason, i'm sorry though if it doesn't fit your narrative.

JD's supporters on the other hand seem happy to overlook the disgusting way he has messaged her, the extreme jealousy and the frequent, violent smashing up of things.

There is no side to be on in this because we can't possibly know. People are just desperately looking for all the evidence to prove their narrative. It's so offensive to me that people will basically say 'if you don't believe amber you're a misogynist, you hate women but I pity you because you're too stupid to see it'.

No one knows what the truth, they've both behaved appallingly and only they know what happened - so please stop suggesting there must be something wrong with people who don't agree with your side.

KitBumbleB · 27/05/2022 07:51

In regard to the actual case. I don't believe the article ruined Depp's career. His drug and alcohol use, his attitude and behaviour on set is what ruined it. So regardless of who did what, I don't believe he should win the case.

There is an interesting thread on Twitter, looking at me accused of abuse or assault during MeToo, most of their careers are still flourishing.

I don't think Heard is perfect at all, I think she probably did cheat etc. Depp clearly has a burning hatred of Elon Musk (his messages to his friends) the rumour that Musk is the father of Heard's baby must have sent him potty

ImAvingOops · 27/05/2022 07:54

Having been caught lying, it makes anything else she says, difficult to believe.
That said, I don't think either of them is innocent of wrongdoing - it was a toxic relationship that had done neither of them any good.

I do wonder though why AH would get involved with a man that she believed pushed his gf down the stairs and why (knowing her own behaviour in that relationship) she didn't just take the divorce settlement and move on. She ought never to have discussed Depp again. She could have been working now, instead of haemorrhaging money in court.

jewishmum · 27/05/2022 08:10

Because I've heard numerous audio where she is being a total abuser and a nasty bully. Then she denies what we've just heard is what we heard. Because everyone ever is lying apart from her.

SpilltheTea · 27/05/2022 08:18

Are you on her PR team? Or are you just incapable of understanding that men can be victims too?

PriestessofPing · 27/05/2022 08:22

Rathmobhaile · 26/05/2022 23:01

Because she badly acts a victim of trauma. Trauma victims don't keep reoeating their trauma. They may be able to repeat it once. They can't keep repeating it as psychologically it may re traumatise them. So seeing Amber Herd getting emotional and revisiting trauma in such an emotionally emersed way repeatedly doesn't ring true. The way Johhny Depp describes his trauma of abuse both in childhood and as an adult is much more typical of abused people. Theres a detachment and matter of fact quietness to it that reflects the only way most trauma victims can talk of their trauma without revisiting and retraumatising. Its not an immersive experience for johnny depp as he can't let himself go there. Its not psychologically safe. Amber goes there because her trauma isn't real.

Just because shes female and hes male doesn't mean he has to be the abuser.

Im sorry but this is not at all my experience or the experiences of many people i’ve worked with over the years.

In my case, I can talk about my trauma now and the main side effects are anger, racing heart, tears and upset. After extensive therapy. Previously to that if I described some of the traumatic events that i’ve experienced i’d often completely lose it and sometimes wouldn’t be able to function for a day or two out of exhaustion.

Different people react differently when revisiting traumatic events. My partner witnessed a terrible suicide aftermath and speaks about it with detachment because he’s never been able to fully process the emotions he felt. I also witnessed a suicide and talking about it made me totally the opposite, and still upsets me - even typing this is making me feel a bit sick. We both react quite differently but we both suffered a similar trauma.

I would like to have a go at you because I find what you said very often i rant and offensive but instead i’d please ask you to not state these matters so confidently because you simply cannot say that trauma victims behave one specific way. People react differently and it depends on a whole host of things. You could just as easily say his calmness means he never really experienced deep emotions about the situations he described and that makes him sociopathic. (i’m not saying i think that, just how easy it is to twist a reaction into fitting a narrative of your choice).

SoupDragon · 27/05/2022 08:25

I've read it. I mean, it's one reason they might be on his side.

Of course, another big reason might be that they actually think he isn't the only one at fault and that she is as bad as him.

ClocksGoingBackwards · 27/05/2022 08:26

The article starts with the (incorrect) assumption that all women should should always believe other women, especially if they have experienced any form of abuse themselves, and no matter what it is being said. That means it’s already completely flawed, because sometimes people, even female ones, tell lies.

I find the idea that women should automatically be believed dangerous and discriminatory at worst and naive at best.

If a woman comes across as a liar and is judged by others to be a liar then so be it.

AlternativePerspective · 27/05/2022 08:28

So, AH lied under oath but “waaah waaah she’s a victim,” KM states that she was never abused by JD and “she lied under oath”?

How exactly do the AH defenders know that? We’re you there? Were you witness to the conversation where she agreed to lie? No?

I don’t think anyone has said they weren’t both awful, but she 100% isn’t innocent. There has been actual evidence to prove the fact. But hey, she’s a woman, and women can never do wrong.

Frankly I’m sick to death of seeing mention of both of them. The very fact that anyone wants to watch this shower of shite is beyond me.

Zippidy123 · 27/05/2022 08:31

AlternativePerspective
I don’t think anyone has said they weren’t both awful, but she 100% isn’t innocent. There has been actual evidence to prove the fact. But hey, she’s a woman, and women can never do wrong

Do you know what this law suit is actually about? It isn't about proving if she is 'innocent'.

Sally872 · 27/05/2022 08:33

Don't know more than the very basics about either of them. Watched a few days of the trial and she is very hard to believe.

I don't know if it is just the way she comes across, or his lawyers doing a better job. Seems clear she did throw a vodka bottle at him. Debate seems to be around wether or not it injured finger rather than if she threw it. Also the audio of her is really bad too.

AdamRyan · 27/05/2022 08:54

QuebecBagnet · 27/05/2022 06:48

Why aren’t Heards lawyers making more of these interviews where he’s talked a his rages and how he beats people up? I’m not disbelieving the poster who detailed all those things, I’d guess it must be public record. But why aren’t they talking about this in court to demonstrate he can be violent?

It's not allowed under US law
www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/evidence-prior-convictions-admissible-against-defendants-who-testify.html

QuebecBagnet · 27/05/2022 09:00

But depps lawyers have been questioning amber over her previous violence against partners

AdamRyan · 27/05/2022 09:01

I think its allowed unless there's a conviction or NDA in place
It was interesting what Whitney testified about him expecting her to sign an NDA after hicksville

chiickenandmayosandwich · 27/05/2022 09:16

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7947733/amp/Amber-Heard-admits-hitting-ex-husband-Johnny-Depp-pelting-pots-pans-tape.html

The recordings on this page make it pretty clear that she was abusive, physically and verbally.

It's clear from his language that violence was from both sides, but he took himself away from these situations to stop it escalating.

She she minimises what she did by telling him he was fine because it was 'only' a hit and not a punch. She called him a baby because he didn't want to be hit?

She's anything but a victim.

Imagine if the roles were reversed in this situation.

Not all men are abusers.
Not all women tell the truth.
Men and women are capable of violence.
Men and women can be victims of abuse.

People need to get out of this narrative that we must believe all women always and never question their story. Every case is different and everyone, man or woman is entitled to be heard.

CaptSkippy · 27/05/2022 09:27

VeniVidiWeeWee · 26/05/2022 23:38

Obviously you do have a problem with English. Your OP heading has a question mark.

You asked a question.

What question did I ask?

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CaptSkippy · 27/05/2022 09:32

JemimaPuddlegoose · 27/05/2022 03:00

Because Amber isn't the perfect victim, and patriarchy has brainwashed women into thinking they can protect themselves from abuse by being perfect, and that women who aren't perfect victims are to blame for their own abuse.

The fact Depp is violent and abusive really is not in dispute at all. Look at the history and evidence:

He had to give his first wife a huge payoff after leaving her a verbally and racially abusive (use of the N word) voicemail.

Has a long history of beating people up, including photographers, security guards, hotel staff, and movie crew members.

Once set fire to his own costume to protest against something he was upset about on set.

Bragged to a magazine interviewer that it was worth going to jail "to see the look of fear on the little maggot's face" (referring to beating up a photographer).

During a TV interview, Letterman asked if it was true he beat people up, and he laughed and said "yeah sometimes people have it coming" and also laughed about trashing hotel rooms.

In a different Letterman interview many years later, laughed about being arrested for assault after he walked down the street swinging a 4x4 plank of wood.

In a third Letterman interview yet more years later, made a comment about flying to Australia to beat the shit out of someone.

Ex-girlfriend Jennifer Grey wrote in her memoir that he was constantly getting into physical fights during the time she dated him.

Ex-girlfriend Ellen Barkin testified in court that he'd thrown a wine bottle at her head, and described him as very controlling and jealous.

Has made dozens of alarming and violent comments in various interviews over the decade, including telling Playboy magazine that he suffers from what he calls "hillbilly rages" where the red mist descends and he doesn't know what he's doing, a different interview in GQ where he discussed the fact his favourite thing to do during physical fights is to bite people, and various interviews where he discussed his serious substance abuse which started as a minor.

Smashed up hotel rooms with women he was dating locked inside them.

Beat people up in front of women he was dating.

Made the following joke in a Rolling Stone magazine: "Hunter Thompson zeroes in on faults and good points immediately. I was with Kate [Moss], and I think he went straight for the romance jugular, shit like whether I beat her enough. I probably told him, ‘Yeah, she gets a severe beating.'”

Told interviewers that Vanessa Paradis knew how to "talk him down from the ledge" when he experienced his rage episodes (meaning at the very least that she had to do emotional labour of managing his anger).

Vanessa Paradis said in interviews that he used to explode and throw plates at walls.

Paid his ex-girlfriend $150 million dollars despite them never having been married, then sent texts claiming she was "an extortionist." Hmm wonder what a man with a known history of paying off women he's subjected to violence could possibly be referring to by giving a woman $150 million then claiming she extorted him.

Paid a huge settlement to a respected middle aged disabled female university professor, after he had his bodyguards assault her, illegally handcuff her, and drag her across the floor so violently that part of her clothing was torn off leaving her nude from the waist down, and her shoulders became dislocated. Because he objected to a disabled person being in the VIP area of a concert.

Sent texts referring to the mother of his children as "a withering cunt".

Sent dozens of explicitly and extremely violent texts, including texts talking about raping and murdering his wife.

Admitted on video to having beaten his wife.

There's audio of him admitting to have headbutted his wife.

The London High Court listened to evidence relating to 15 separate incidences of domestic violence (some of that evidence was given privately and never shared with the press or public). Of those 14 incidents, the High Court found that the evidence proved that Depp had beaten up his wife on 12 separate occasions, that on three occasions she'd been made to fear for her life, and that for the other three alleged incidents the evidence was not sufficient to prove assault.

The London High Court ruled that as the evidence proved that Depp had beaten up his wife on at least 12 separate occasions it was factually true to describe him as "a wife beater."

Whatever Amber did or did not do, it's pretty clear that Depp is a violent, unstable, abusive man and has been for a very long time.

Wow, I hadn't even heard about most of these. It's so hard to get the facts these days with people editing and doctoring footage to make the opposite seem true. I can't even open Youtube at the moment without this shit all over the front page and I always clear my browser history before.

I just read an article that compares this to Gamergate and it feels so true. I remember that. Depp fans are deranged.

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AdamRyan · 27/05/2022 09:34

chiickenandmayosandwich · 27/05/2022 09:16

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7947733/amp/Amber-Heard-admits-hitting-ex-husband-Johnny-Depp-pelting-pots-pans-tape.html

The recordings on this page make it pretty clear that she was abusive, physically and verbally.

It's clear from his language that violence was from both sides, but he took himself away from these situations to stop it escalating.

She she minimises what she did by telling him he was fine because it was 'only' a hit and not a punch. She called him a baby because he didn't want to be hit?

She's anything but a victim.

Imagine if the roles were reversed in this situation.

Not all men are abusers.
Not all women tell the truth.
Men and women are capable of violence.
Men and women can be victims of abuse.

People need to get out of this narrative that we must believe all women always and never question their story. Every case is different and everyone, man or woman is entitled to be heard.

The daily mail is very pro Depp for some reason.
But anyway in that link he says:
left last night. Honestly, I swear to you because I just couldn't take the idea of more physicality, more physical abuse on each other an exasperated Depp pleads in the recording.

'Because had we continued it, it would have gotten f*king bad. And baby, I told you this once. I'm scared to death we are a f*king crime scene right now.'

To me, that's him admitting hitting her and saying he's scared of seriously harming her.

Abuse is abuse regardless of the behaviour of the victim. This trial is about whether he is an abuser. His case is essentially that she is abusive and lying for financial gain. But in that recording, he's admitted being physically violent to her. So he is abusive.

If there was a trial about whether she is an abuser, I'd probably agree she is. But as yet we haven't had a full evaluation of the evidence.

WandaWomblesaurus · 27/05/2022 09:47

Some survivors of domestic abuse are also children of men who were physically abused by their wives.
My mother used to beat my dad who would have his hands up in front of his face trying to stop the blows. Occasionally it would get so bad that she would draw blood. One time she threw hot food at his face and the plate hit his eye causing it to start bleeding. He pushed her away. She would then tell my brother he had hit her. My brother would then physically attack him.

I haven't been following the case (I'm following the Alison Bailey case though which is awful - poor woman, what bullying she has endured) but I wanted to just chime in with the perspective of a child who witnessed this in my own home and for years wasn't able to talk about it.

Women are absolutely more likely to be beaten and murdered by men than the other way round, but in cases like my dad, no one would have believed him. Unfortunately I saw the plate incident and many others with my own eyes.

What if Johnny is telling the truth? My instinct is to usually believe the woman but there's a part of me that knows the opposite can and does happen.

BeyondPurpleTulips · 27/05/2022 09:50

I believe her. Because, in JDs own words:
"i only head butted your forehead, that doesn't break a nose"

I've also lived with an abusive alcoholic, and it made me behave awfully. I did goad them and insult them - because despite being a victim and paralysed from leaving, I was fucking angry that I was treated so horrendously - and if I'd been taken to court about it I would be far from a perfect witness on the stand due to other issues.

When you are living in an ongoing situation like that it can have two different effects on your memory of certain events. One, that various separate events end up merging together, so it looks like your account isn't accurate as things "change" in the retelling. That is not a lie, it's how you remember things when there are a lot of similar instances. Then otoh there are times when a memory is engrained separately to others, making your recollection perfect. Which makes people think all the more that you are lying about the first example.

So anyway, I can completely understand AHs side.

WandaWomblesaurus · 27/05/2022 09:50

Just to be clear here I've not been following the case so I don't have an opinion on it beyond the initial instinct to trust her as a women but then the shard of doubt because of what I've personally witnessed can happen to men.

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/05/2022 09:52

Buzzer3555 · Yesterday 22:47
Because not all women tell the truth and not all men are abusive“

this. “Survivors” aren’t an homogenous blob. They’re individuals who can think for themselves.

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