Boris Johnson, FPN's, and Sue Gray report due. Thread 5

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4545092-boris-and-his-fines-part-4

Previous thread!

I wonder if it's now too late for those who accepted FPN's to contest them. What grounds would they use? I don't know whether the injustice of being fined £10,000 for organising a party when the PM got off scot free would work. Sometimes it's having the day in court and an issue being made of it which is where the victory comes.

Apologies for the link to the Mail I might be overtired but the embedded article in this tweet made me laugh at the idea of 40+ MPs covertly popping to a pub for a chance to discuss "the rail network"

"List of potential leadership candidates from @DPJHodges: Jeremy Hunt. Liz Truss. Ben Wallace. Tom Tugendhat. Penny Mordaunt. Rishi Sunak. Nadhim Zahawi. Sajid Javid. Kit Malthouse. Dominic Raab. James Cleverly. Mark Harper."

twitter.com/johnrentoul/status/1530837391887450112?s=21&t=NWYMcM5aTiPT3WtmfBqmHQ

No mention of Ellwood which surprised me.

I think there was action last week to overturn an FPN for organising a protest. I'm off out now but I'll see if I can find it later.

Although the courts are moving so slowly (staff and court time is a problem) that I suspect many won't have actually been heard yet.

Give it time - considering we’re on our third PM of their term/s in power anyone could be in number 10 by the time the 2024 rolls round.

I don’t really understand how there hasn’t been more concern from voting tories themselves about their own party's instability when you think of it like that.

Elwood isn't loyal enough for the DM

How can it keep getting worse? I can't imagine what else is to come out, I feel despondent.

Yes he's too principled and has too many morals.

He's my first choice!

He was on Peston this week talking absolute bollocks. He's no better than the other bullshitters.

Johnson is going to do a Mumsnet Webchat with Justine!
www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_live_events/4558699-mnhq-here-got-a-question-for-the-prime-minister

Well, not exactly a webchat, but Justine will be putting MN questions to him.

It will be as pointless as the one involving Sunak. In any case if he lies in Parliament he'll lie to us too.

Rise in staff absences after the parties

bylinetimes.com/2022/05/27/constant-covid-presence-in-cabinet-office-during-party-periods/

Ha ha ha. 'When did you first realise you were a lying bag of lies, Mr Johnson?'.

"Baby you were born this way" 🤣

Just in case he does actually answer them, I asked why Carrie led an "important strategy meeting" in his flat for 2 hours before he got there, given she has no actual job role there.
I also asked when he will make Whitehall and Downing Street alcohol-free workplaces (and if not, why he is implicitly condoning workplace alcohol abuse).

@InMySpareTime

Brilliant, very valid points

Andrew Rawnsley is spot on.

As an official, Ms Gray could not pass judgment on whether the prime minister and the cabinet secretary, her bosses, are fit to continue in office. The independent adviser on ministerial interests, the post currently held by Christopher Geidt, is not fit for purpose either. He can only investigate code breaches with the permission of the prime minister, who can simply toss aside the adviser’s verdicts, as Mr Johnson did when the previous adviser found Priti Patel guilty of bullying. Evidence can be kept from the adviser, as Lord Geidt discovered when he tried to investigate Wallpapergate. The remedy is to implement the proposal of the committee on standards in public life when it made 34 sound recommendations to improve the integrity of government. We must have a genuinely independent invigilator of ministerial conduct with the power to initiate inquiries, demand the production of evidence and publish findings in full without interference by Number 10.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/29/boris-johnson-has-vomited-over-standards-in-public-life?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

"asked why Carrie led an "important strategy meeting" in his flat for 2 hours before he got there, given she has no actual job role there."

Maybe it's actually Carrie running Number 10?

@Notonthestairs if that's the case, then her absence from several "leaving drinks" events might render them illegal...

Some of us wondered in the past why the security staff didn't stop them holding their illegal parties. We now know, thanks to Sue Gray's report, they got a mouthful of abuse for attempting to do so.

The idea that Carrie Johnson is running number 10 is ridiculous. Mrs Johnson has a bit of a clue about organisation, unlike her husband.

No he isn't, might be better than Johnson but he is a Tory, so will not have morals.

In any opinion poll where Dorries and Rees-Mogg can score around 30% in approval, achieving a minus figure is surely a point you need to ask yourself if you’re any good at hustling the nation.

I’m working on the presumption that BJ is intentionally a turd of a con man, because even when you know that’s who you are you have to recognise when you’re just no good at it. He can’t lead, he can’t con…. What’s left? Delusion?

"NEW: Former Attorney General Jeremy Wright calls for Boris Johnson to quit in lengthy statement on his website (then mysteriously taken down).

“For the good of this and future Governments the Prime Minister should resign”.

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