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Living with DH’s mental health problem

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prepareforlanding · 17/05/2022 14:58

I’ll say at the outset that my family situation is not LTB territory. I’ve never bought into that glib response (except in obvious cases of abuse) and I don’t feel my situation merits it anyway. Our home life is stable, secure, happy (within the realms of a high-stress/long hours high earner) and we are all healthy. Our children are happy and thriving at school and out, my life is balanced, content and busy and I’m happy with it. DH and I feel that we have many blessings to count.

DH and I have been married for 14 years. We have a lot of respect for each other - achievements, work ethic, forbearance, values. We laugh a lot together, we enjoy the same pastimes, we are supportive of each other emotionally and practically. We both consider the other to be a “good person”. In short, we love each other deeply, and we are in it for life.

The only fly in the ointment is that DH has a mental health issue. It manifests as anger and volatility and aggression (never towards a person, he wouldn’t hurt a fly), and what looks to me like sullen, self-pitying frustration and victimhood. When the mood descends, he simultaneously acts as though he deserves to be miserable and will say that he’s worthless and has no value; and blames me aggressively for not helping him, extending kindness towards him, never admitting that anything is my fault while in a roundabout way implying that everything is actually my fault (implying because he rants, he doesn’t express himself clearly or logically). I will be going about my week and when the explosion comes it’s out of the blue to me. I’m accused of gaslighting him, of twisting things, of nagging and berating when really what he needs is kindness - which I think (because he can’t say exactly what it is) is me letting him get away with this behaviour that’s damaging to me and to our children without any objections from me. Just letting everything slide, silently letting him be however he needs to be and quietly fixing things for myself and the D.C. by myself.

From my perspective, I am protecting our children and myself from a roaring temper and destructive atmosphere, by challenging him on what he’s saying, pointing out the inconsistencies and flawed logic of what he’s saying, telling him how things feel and seem to the D.C. and to me, asking him to get a grip etc. This is like a red rag to a bull. It makes him feel like I’m having a go at him even more, pointing out all his failings and inadequacies, that I’m not being empathetic about how he’s feeling, and it makes him angry that I’m not accepting or supportive of his mental health challenges.

We are on totally different pages. He has an issue that I struggle to understand and evidently show little support or empathy to him about. I can’t allow myself or my children to live in a home where this behaviour goes on (it happens once or twice a year, usually lasts 2-4 days).

When he’s in these moods, nothing I say gets through. I can see that at the time. He’s not himself. It’s as though a red mist descends and he loses control entirely. The gentle, thoughtful, caring and generous man is replaced by someone who lashes out, swears, will throw whatever soft thing is to hand (cushion, garment, tissue box) at the wall or floor in anger. He paces, hissing and seething. He looks at me as though he can’t bear the sight of me. Saying anything at all to him just angers him further. Oddly, however, if any one of the three of us has something go wrong during one of these fits of temper (DS stubs a toe and cries out; I mention something that’s making me sad that he doesn’t know about eg ill health in a family member) he will immediately switch out of that mood to sincere concern and empathy and shared sadness. Everything changes: his body language, the tone of his voice - he’s just his normal self.

Once the episode passes, we’re both exhausted. We talk. I tell him he needs to seek help. He was reluctant for many years but I found someone for him who he saw for a year and it helped. I think that was easy-ish for him because he has anxiety issues at work which manifested in this way, and it’s easy to talk about something dry like a career and get prescribed drugs. This is something else though. It’s deep within him, and I wonder if it’s hereditary (he’s hinted that his own dad used to have a very violent temper).

Am I unsupportive? Am I lacking in empathy? Am I wrong to stand up for myself and “protect” his children from him? They seem perfectly happy and healthy and well balanced children to me, not remotely affected by any of this. But, children can be good at hiding things. Maybe they are affected. I don’t want to probe in case I put ideas in their heads that they SHOULD be affected.

I know this isn’t “normal”, but am I totally off piste in thinking that he needs to seek help and sort himself out and not inflict himself on the rest of us? Or is it my responsibility as his life partner to put up with all this, do what he needs doing, while he sorts himself out along the timetable that works for him? What if he gets to 60yo and this is still happening? Losing 8 days a year to this isn’t a big deal - that leaves 347 happy and good days. But I’m tired of being tired and confused and accused of things I haven’t done, of feeling lost and angry in turn. And then I wonder if that’s what it’s like for me, what must it be like for him… Finally, I don’t see this in a feminist, man versus woman way. If the roles were reversed with DH and me, the situation would be exactly the same. He’s my greatest champion as a woman, truly.

Sorry for the epic post. I just don’t have any bearings in this. Thank you for any replies.

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HollowTalk · 17/05/2022 15:08

The problem is that you describe an absolutely horrendous situation and say "don't say leave him". How can we possibly tell you and your children to stay within this toxic and violent relationship?

Wartywart · 17/05/2022 15:13

I think all you can do is distance yourself and the children while the episodes are happening. It looks as though he can't help it, and it's possibly hereditary, so why bother challenging him etc. Just leave him be for the few days it lasts and that way it won't affect you so much. Avoid him while it's happening.

Lazerbeen · 17/05/2022 15:15

Well absolutely yes he should seek help, why should you and your children be subject to days of him behaving like that? Whether it's his 'fault' or not is irrelevant as what he can control is trying to get help for it.

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prepareforlanding · 17/05/2022 15:28

Thank you for your replies.

it goes against everything in me to have someone accuse me of something and not fight back. I just can’t let things slide. So, for example, if DH is giving DS a shower and the water isn’t exactly the temperature DS wants it, all hell will break loose: DS will scream like his skin is burning (it’ll be warm instead of hot, for example), DH will be roaring at him to stop being such a baby, I will go in there to see what’s going on/ shush DS/ ask DH why he’s shouting so loud (with a raised voice so I can be heard in a small tiled room with a screaming DS and shouting DH) - and DH will turn to me and accuse me of undermining him as a parent, or yelling at him, or berating him
in front of DS. I can’t let that slide. I can’t let him accuse me of all that when I only went in there to try to calm them both down and see what on earth was causing such a ruckus in the first place. I don’t want my DD to EVER hear/see a wife just give in to a husband when he’s in the wrong and she’s in the right. (Maybe it is a feminist issue…)

Perhaps I could use every effort to let things slide if he sought help. But, therapy will never work if done under threat of penance. You have to want it, you have to believe in it. Something is stopping him, whatever deep-rooted thing this is.

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SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 17/05/2022 15:33

So it's not just a work related thing and happens more than once or twice a year?

If showering your child brings it on what else does?

And are you settled in your no LTBs or has something naggled at you that you are having a major rethink? Because I think that shouting at a child whilst showering them and then shouting at you for being concerned is a very large red flag. Especially as you said that pain from one of you snaps him out of it... this sounds like it can snap him into it too!

DramaLlamadodah · 17/05/2022 15:49

I couldn’t be doing with this. He should take himself off somewhere until it passes rather than inflicting it on you and your children. Really strange situation.

prepareforlanding · 17/05/2022 15:51

I think work stress can precipitate a downwards spiral. The worse the stress, the quicker the spiral. But, as he’s got older, he’s managing his work stress much better - but this still happens.

Yes it is just once or twice a year. I think I made the post above sound as though it’s a frequent occurrence. It isn’t. This just happened last night!

LTN isn’t the solution. I strongly believe this can be resolved. You don’t walk away from someone because they have one thing you struggle with - well, I don’t. I work to fix things. There’s so much good in him, and in our lives together. And, 347/365 days our lives are the stuff many people dream of. Most importantly, as things are, my children are far better off with the two of us together and working to fix this, than with me leaving him. That’s not a better solution in the long run for any of us.

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prepareforlanding · 17/05/2022 15:53

Also, it wasn’t showering DS that brought it on. It was already there, but he was short tempered as he showered DS.

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DowntonCrabby · 17/05/2022 15:55

His behaviour is emotionally abusive.
If it’s being caused by his MH he needs to acknowledge that when he’s in a stable
mood and seek MUCH more help to address it.

Lazerbeen · 17/05/2022 16:17

Roaring in DS' face isn't acceptable just as its occasionally. In fact I'd find the unpredictability more unsettling. If he genuinely cannot control himself when he's like this thats a big worry. You can harp on about how happy you are the rest of the time but it doesn't negate the damage its doing to your children. If he cared surely when he's not being gripped by it he would want to seek help?

prepareforlanding · 17/05/2022 16:29

I agree. It’s not acceptable, however infrequent. But this is the point he tries to make to me: that when the red mist descends, he just can’t control it. He’s not an actively bad person, of that I’m sure.

He doesn’t enjoy being this way, at all. But he’s had a lifetime of it and he’s exhausted by it. Confronting it in therapy would be even more exhausting, I think. And I wonder if on some level he’s scared of what he will find. I don’t get the mentality of someone having a problem and not trying to fix it; it’s like going to the GP, to me. But I recognise that this is a defining thing for him. And, I think, it goes right into his childhood. Whatever - he’s an adult and a parent and the children are his primary responsibility in my book. I think he still sees himself as his primary responsibility in this regard. He’s still a child in there. He can’t put the children first because he can’t even handle himself.

Thank you for your thoughts everyone. I’m tired of it all, by it all. When it’s over I know we will just be so happy it’s over we will want to move on/away - again - rather than go over and pick at this scab to flush out whatever infection is festering underneath. Perhaps I should heave and push him, make the effort in quieter times to get him to address it head on.

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Lazerbeen · 17/05/2022 16:32

But this is the point he tries to make to me: that when the red mist descends, he just can’t control it. He’s not an actively bad person, of that I’m sure.

Thats more worrying though. Being critical of his actions when hes like this isn't a judgement on his character or isn't saying he's a bad person. But someone saying they can't control it yet isn't that arsed about addressing it I find quite scary. I hope he isn't left alone with the children.

statetrooperstacey · 17/05/2022 16:37

It doesn’t sound like a mental health issue tbh. It just sound like a grown man having tantrums and you both making excuses for it. Sorry

GoldenOmber · 17/05/2022 16:38

He doesn’t enjoy being this way, at all. But he’s had a lifetime of it and he’s exhausted by it. Confronting it in therapy would be even more exhausting, I think.

Maybe it would be exhausting. But if it was you doing this - wouldn’t you be prepared to put up with that exhaustion, if the alternative was your own kids living through this? If he believes it’s deeply rooted in his childhood, wouldn’t he want to do ANYTHING to prevent it from deeply rooting itself in his own children’s, too?

prepareforlanding · 17/05/2022 16:40

I have never once been concerned about my children’s safety! I wouldn’t be here if I were/had been. He wouldn’t hurt a fly. It goes against everything he stands for to harm another human. It’s the raised voice he can’t control, and the loss of rational thought. It’s as though his mind scrambles, isn’t capable of thinking straight, and gets locked behind a wall of hurt and anger. He doesn’t lash out at others; fundamentally, he hates himself in these moments, I think. He’s angry that he is who he is. And that’s why he would never harm anyone else. He’d hate himself even more (in addition to him actually being someone who has never and would never hurt someone else). He doesn’t realise, though, that his loud voice and body language and facial expressions ARE hurtful. I’ve told him, but he takes that as me kicking him when he’s already down.

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GoldenOmber · 17/05/2022 16:43

He doesn’t lash out at others; fundamentally, he hates himself in these moments, I think. He’s angry that he is who he is.

So did his dad, probably. And look what it did to him.

prepareforlanding · 17/05/2022 16:44

GoldenOmber · 17/05/2022 16:38

He doesn’t enjoy being this way, at all. But he’s had a lifetime of it and he’s exhausted by it. Confronting it in therapy would be even more exhausting, I think.

Maybe it would be exhausting. But if it was you doing this - wouldn’t you be prepared to put up with that exhaustion, if the alternative was your own kids living through this? If he believes it’s deeply rooted in his childhood, wouldn’t he want to do ANYTHING to prevent it from deeply rooting itself in his own children’s, too?

Yes, I would do whatever it takes.

He too, would, if he could. I think he’s so stuck in this groove that he can’t. He’s actually incapable.

Is he a grown man having tantrums? That’s what it looks like, superficially. I’m not long out of toddler tantrums from the D.C.! But it’s not. I’ve lived with him long enough to know it’s much more than that. I wish it were that simple.

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prepareforlanding · 17/05/2022 16:46

GoldenOmber · 17/05/2022 16:43

He doesn’t lash out at others; fundamentally, he hates himself in these moments, I think. He’s angry that he is who he is.

So did his dad, probably. And look what it did to him.

You’re right.

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rnsaslkih · 17/05/2022 16:47

What about when he starts on an episode, he goes to stay in a hotel for 4 days?

Aquamarine1029 · 17/05/2022 16:49

I think you're deluding yourself into believing this isn't as bad as it really is. He is toxic, violent, and he sounds absolutely unhinged. Sadly, you aren't protecting your kids from anything. All I can imagine is that your children must feel like they are living with a grenade in their hand that could go off at any second.

I have never once been concerned about my children’s safety! I wouldn’t be here if I were/had been. He wouldn’t hurt a fly.

He IS hurting them. Mental trauma is every bit as significant as physical trauma.

Quartz2208 · 17/05/2022 16:50

When it’s over I know we will just be so happy it’s over we will want to move on/away - again - rather than go over and pick at this scab to flush out whatever infection is festering underneath.

Yes you cant simply ignore it as being something you dont deal with very often so ignore it when it isnt there

He needs to get help with it - face it head on or he faces simply passing it down to your son. Not facing it isnt helping him either

GoldenOmber · 17/05/2022 16:51

He too, would, if he could. I think he’s so stuck in this groove that he can’t. He’s actually incapable.

he is capable of seeing a counsellor. Of picking up the phone or sending an email to make an appointment. Of going to see his GP and saying “I don’t even know what the next step is here, but I need help because I don’t want to be screamy shouty Daddy for my children any more.”

It would be hard to do this. But it would not be impossible. He would just rather not, and he has inadvertently trained you to support him in his belief that this means it’s totally impossible for him to even try to change this behaviour.

VeryQuaintIrene · 17/05/2022 16:51

Raised voices can hurt children too. He sounds like my mum (also horrific anxiety and depression) and her unpredictability has definitely had an impact on the way I deal with people. He has got to get help for everyone's sake.

cottagegardenflower · 17/05/2022 16:55

Google Intermittent explosive disorder. Mayo clinic have a good fact sheet and may provide some help and insight.

DPotter · 17/05/2022 17:00

A red mist descending sounds awful - for him and for you and your DC.

It certainly isn't normal, however do your children realise it's not normal ? If they have been living with it all their lives they may think "Daddy" just looses it big time every now and again. It must be very frightening for them.

To answer your direct questions - no it is your responsibility to put up with it and you shouldn't have to accept his behaviour. His behaviour is totally unacceptable, and must be terrifying for you & your children. Your job is to protect your children and I'll be honest with you I think you're fooling yourself if you think your kids aren't effected. It's also your DH's job to protect his DC and by allowing this behaviour to continue he is failing in that oh so important role.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression your DH is no longer seeking therapy / counselling. If this is the case - he really needs to get his act together and get back to therapy ASAP. The fact that he hasn't continued or gone back under his own steam, suggests he is minimising just how out of order his behaviour is.

If he is still receiving therapy / counselling and this behaviour continues suggests he needs to increase the intensity or seek an alternative as he clearly needs more help.

I would be interested to know if this behaviour ever occurs in your DH's workplace - I suspect not. Therefore your DH may have an element of control, which for whatever reason, he chooses not to enact at home / with his family. Think about that for a moment, please.

LTB is a glib, oft given comment but I ask you, how many days of this type of behaviour are you willing to accept ? Currently it's 8 days - and you find that acceptable. What about 12 days, 16 , 20, 24, 30 ?? I would strongly that even 8 days is unacceptable. You say you're tired of it all so clearly it's weighing on your mind even when everything is happy and hunky dory. When you've though about how many days is acceptable for you, ask the same question on behalf of your children. You don't say, but they sound young and this is their normal. They may well cope but then as they get older, they may be reluctant to bring friends to the house in case 'Dad' goes off on one and then there are the teenage years when frankly we all need a course from Nelson Mandela in resisting rising to the bait of a recalcitrant 14 yr old.

I accept you will have to choose your moment, but you need a long hard conversation with this man about how he sees his family life developing. It may be an idea to seek joint relationship counselling so that someone can referree.

Please whatever you do, don't let this behaviour continue to be the norm in your family - there will be long term consequences if you do