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Living with DH’s mental health problem

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prepareforlanding · 17/05/2022 14:58

I’ll say at the outset that my family situation is not LTB territory. I’ve never bought into that glib response (except in obvious cases of abuse) and I don’t feel my situation merits it anyway. Our home life is stable, secure, happy (within the realms of a high-stress/long hours high earner) and we are all healthy. Our children are happy and thriving at school and out, my life is balanced, content and busy and I’m happy with it. DH and I feel that we have many blessings to count.

DH and I have been married for 14 years. We have a lot of respect for each other - achievements, work ethic, forbearance, values. We laugh a lot together, we enjoy the same pastimes, we are supportive of each other emotionally and practically. We both consider the other to be a “good person”. In short, we love each other deeply, and we are in it for life.

The only fly in the ointment is that DH has a mental health issue. It manifests as anger and volatility and aggression (never towards a person, he wouldn’t hurt a fly), and what looks to me like sullen, self-pitying frustration and victimhood. When the mood descends, he simultaneously acts as though he deserves to be miserable and will say that he’s worthless and has no value; and blames me aggressively for not helping him, extending kindness towards him, never admitting that anything is my fault while in a roundabout way implying that everything is actually my fault (implying because he rants, he doesn’t express himself clearly or logically). I will be going about my week and when the explosion comes it’s out of the blue to me. I’m accused of gaslighting him, of twisting things, of nagging and berating when really what he needs is kindness - which I think (because he can’t say exactly what it is) is me letting him get away with this behaviour that’s damaging to me and to our children without any objections from me. Just letting everything slide, silently letting him be however he needs to be and quietly fixing things for myself and the D.C. by myself.

From my perspective, I am protecting our children and myself from a roaring temper and destructive atmosphere, by challenging him on what he’s saying, pointing out the inconsistencies and flawed logic of what he’s saying, telling him how things feel and seem to the D.C. and to me, asking him to get a grip etc. This is like a red rag to a bull. It makes him feel like I’m having a go at him even more, pointing out all his failings and inadequacies, that I’m not being empathetic about how he’s feeling, and it makes him angry that I’m not accepting or supportive of his mental health challenges.

We are on totally different pages. He has an issue that I struggle to understand and evidently show little support or empathy to him about. I can’t allow myself or my children to live in a home where this behaviour goes on (it happens once or twice a year, usually lasts 2-4 days).

When he’s in these moods, nothing I say gets through. I can see that at the time. He’s not himself. It’s as though a red mist descends and he loses control entirely. The gentle, thoughtful, caring and generous man is replaced by someone who lashes out, swears, will throw whatever soft thing is to hand (cushion, garment, tissue box) at the wall or floor in anger. He paces, hissing and seething. He looks at me as though he can’t bear the sight of me. Saying anything at all to him just angers him further. Oddly, however, if any one of the three of us has something go wrong during one of these fits of temper (DS stubs a toe and cries out; I mention something that’s making me sad that he doesn’t know about eg ill health in a family member) he will immediately switch out of that mood to sincere concern and empathy and shared sadness. Everything changes: his body language, the tone of his voice - he’s just his normal self.

Once the episode passes, we’re both exhausted. We talk. I tell him he needs to seek help. He was reluctant for many years but I found someone for him who he saw for a year and it helped. I think that was easy-ish for him because he has anxiety issues at work which manifested in this way, and it’s easy to talk about something dry like a career and get prescribed drugs. This is something else though. It’s deep within him, and I wonder if it’s hereditary (he’s hinted that his own dad used to have a very violent temper).

Am I unsupportive? Am I lacking in empathy? Am I wrong to stand up for myself and “protect” his children from him? They seem perfectly happy and healthy and well balanced children to me, not remotely affected by any of this. But, children can be good at hiding things. Maybe they are affected. I don’t want to probe in case I put ideas in their heads that they SHOULD be affected.

I know this isn’t “normal”, but am I totally off piste in thinking that he needs to seek help and sort himself out and not inflict himself on the rest of us? Or is it my responsibility as his life partner to put up with all this, do what he needs doing, while he sorts himself out along the timetable that works for him? What if he gets to 60yo and this is still happening? Losing 8 days a year to this isn’t a big deal - that leaves 347 happy and good days. But I’m tired of being tired and confused and accused of things I haven’t done, of feeling lost and angry in turn. And then I wonder if that’s what it’s like for me, what must it be like for him… Finally, I don’t see this in a feminist, man versus woman way. If the roles were reversed with DH and me, the situation would be exactly the same. He’s my greatest champion as a woman, truly.

Sorry for the epic post. I just don’t have any bearings in this. Thank you for any replies.

OP posts:
bluejelly · 20/05/2022 03:18

I am sorry to hear of your situation. The impact of his behaviour on you and the children will last much, much longer than his 'episodes'. I don't believe he has no control over it. He is controlling you all through it. Asserting his dominance. And so even when he is not in his red mist phase you are left wondering when the next phase will come and what will trigger it. If he doesn't actively seek regular help to manage it then I think you will have to leave, for your own sake and the children's. Life with an angry man (or woman) is no life.
Best of luck to you.

summercotton · 22/05/2022 12:42

Hi OP, you are obviously loving and trying to be balanced while feeling distressed and disorientated with it all. I highly recommend Beverly Engel, The Emotionally Abusive Relationship. She is a Psychotherapist so knows what she is talking about. Rather than take the position that it's black and white and the man is a monster she helps unpack the dynamics of what is going. The book provides very practical tools to work through it - both for the person suffering and also the person causing the suffering. All the best.

bellac11 · 22/05/2022 12:49

TurkishBath · 19/05/2022 10:15

The thing is, we seem to have a culture at present where people like to say that they want to fight the stigma re: mental health problems, “it’s good to talk” and all that stuff.

But there is huge difference between agreeing with this in theory, or putting posts like that on social media (and telling people ‘my door is always open’ 😂) and reality of dealing with someone who is mentally unwell and actually acting as if they are mentally unwell!

There is a lot more to mental illness than bog standard moderate depression or anxiety (although I am not minimising those either)

People who are mentally unwell can be extremely hard work and unpleasant to be around. They don’t necessarily sit around being all sweet and sad and grateful if someone makes them a cup of tea and says kind things.

They can be supremely ungrateful and angry at those who try to help, might lack insight into their own behaviour, to blame others and say the most horrible things.

They might be seen as “refusing to help themselves”, to be “manipulative”, to be lazy.

So the realities of poor mental health can include the person who hasn’t showered for weeks and who refuses to open the door, the one who is paranoid and angry, someone who refuses medication, who is harming themselves in front of others, or who has a suicide plan and has bought themselves a rope, someone who is smashing their own head repeatedly into a wall or who is hearing voice, someone who paces about ranting and explodes at their loved ones over minor things and seems like a different person, who is full of self pity and illogical beliefs…

I saw a poster up thread say that being angry and behaving badly isn’t a feature of many mental health conditions… Really?! This belief is based on what?

Rather than telling the OP that she is lying, that his behaviour is a choice, that she is terrible mother.. is it that hard to believe that she is telling the truth? That her husband is otherwise calm and rational but has episodes, very infrequently, where he seems mentally unwell. He wouldn’t be the first.

The fact is that no-one on here can say with any accuracy whether her DH has a mental health condition or not. This is why he needs to see a qualified mental health professional who can take a full history and assess properly.

People on this site are quick to agree that there isn’t a “perfect victim” in domestic violence cases.

There also isn’t a “perfect mentally ill” person, with just the right level of mental illness. What would that look like? The “right” level for unqualified bystanders to be convinced that there is a condition, but of course not a level which causes “bad behaviour” ( because that is always abuse and a choice made by someone pretending to be unwell, of course!) For goodness sake.

Maybe her DH will have a psychiatric assessment and the conclusion will be that he does not have a mental health condition. But to jump straight to “he is abusive” based on massively infrequent behaviours, which are out ot character, and which the OP - and her own DH - believe is due to an untreated mental health problem.. it’s not helpful, and neither is telling the OP that her own reality is wrong and that she lying to herself about her own life, based on a couple of posts.

Such a good post, this should be printed at the top of all these threads where the husband is called abusive (its normally the husband, similar behaviour from the wife would be sympathised with firm but fair statements about how she is suffering, needs help and understanding from her husband and support to change)

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Needhelp101 · 23/05/2022 18:36

I've just read Big Little Lies. OP, you remind me of Celeste.

As several PPs have asked, does your husband lose it like this with anyone other than his wife and children?

mumsys · 23/05/2022 22:25

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bellac11 · 23/05/2022 22:33

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Her husband would have to consent to this. Sounds like he wouldnt.

Do you know how hard it is to get a referral for a psychiatrist?

Herejustforthisone · 23/05/2022 22:48

I still fear for how these poor children are going to be affected. He needs to go until he can sort himself out, subjecting them to him and his behaviour is outrageous.

opalescent · 23/05/2022 23:18

UserError012345 · 19/05/2022 06:17

I don't think LTB's are given out glibly.

I think others here are able to see the situation for what it is, remove the emotion and respond accordingly. Sometimes that is, LTB.

We can waste so much of our lives, wanting & hoping something will turn out to be what we want and there has to be a line that's reached when it doesn't look like it's going to happen.

I think you're approaching it as much as you are reluctant to see.

How much energy do you want to put into helping someone that doesn't appear to be making any long term solutions to help themselves.

Totally agree.

OP, you set out your stall in your opening post:
'I'm going to tell you about my dh and his terrible behaviour- but DON'T tell me to leave him'.

Shouting/ranting is just as scary and violating as physical abuse, especially for children.

thevanilla · 24/05/2022 00:42

he IS harming your child. why are you ok with your child being raised in an abusive environment? unbelievable

bloodyunicorns · 24/05/2022 07:38

@TurkishBath - I saw a poster up thread say that being angry and behaving badly isn’t a feature of many mental health conditions… Really?! This belief is based on what?

If you meant me, I asked what MH diagnosis OP's dh had. A lot of people excuse bad behaviour by saying it's caused by poor mental health. I also asked if he behaves like this with others. Surely if it was a MH problem he'd be like this indiscriminately.

If he's just acting out learned behaviour from his own childhood, that's not a MH problem, is it?

If he only behaves like this with op and his dc, then that's not a MH problem, is it?

OP, I found your last post disturbing: if your h's behaviour is damaging, upsetting the dc, or otherwise unacceptable, you don't have to put up with it. You don't have to stay with him forever. There is no shame in saying that you've had enough and ending things.

I recommend you get some counselling for yourself. You sound like you're in denial about your h and how much his behaviour is affecting your Dc. And that's who you should be most concerned about.

TurkishBath · 24/05/2022 08:17

@bellac11 - A private referral isn’t hard.

GreekDogRescue · 24/03/2024 16:58

Any update OP? I am in the same situation

singlemum93 · 24/03/2024 17:08

It sounds exactly like the relationship I had with the father of my child. Unfortunately his turns in personality became more and more frequent and I understand everything you are going through. Especially when you say in those 'episodes' you can't talk any sense to him.
Unfortunately I began to see the behaviour as abuse because things escalated on occasion and I couldn't forgive the awful hurtful things he could do or say in these situations. we are seperated now and my life is so much more calm. No more not knowing what mood he is in etc. I understand you wanting to help your husband as I was the same but you can only take a horse to water as they say. Most of the time he didn't see anything wrong in his actions and a lot of blame onto me. Now we are separated he has the same behaviour but doesn't impact me and DS as much. But it's fairly obvious it wasn't our relationship causing the issue.
I don't have an answer for you other than I know what your going through and sometimes you have to think of yourself and what you are going through and what you and the kids are actually gaining from your marriage.

prepareforlanding · 25/03/2024 00:05

Testing name change reversal…

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prepareforlanding · 25/03/2024 00:32

GreekDogRescue · 24/03/2024 16:58

Any update OP? I am in the same situation

Hi @GreekDogRescue

I’ve just spent a good few minutes going back over this thread. I can’t believe it was two years ago!

Shortly after I posted, and coinciding with a massive reversal in work-related stress, my DH started weekly therapy. I have never asked what was discussed, I don’t know who the therapist was. He was put on a low dose of anti-depressants when he first started but they didn’t agree with him and he stopped taking them.

He was in therapy for 10 months. It’s the best thing that ever happened to him (after the DC and me, he says!) and the process itself plus the change in him have filled me with such love for him. The sessions were draining. Really exhausting for him, at the time and during the week between sessions. It was full-on work, on top of work and home. But the outcome has been life-changing. He did it for us. Had he been a single man, no kids, he would have festered and just continued as he was. Nobody would do this unless they had good reason (bearing in mind that at the root of it all was his own sense of worthlessness or inadequacy - easier to wallow in that and have the world prove you right).

There have been many instances since he began the therapy which previously would have triggered the red mist descending. Two years on, I don’t even notice them now. Back when therapy started, the triggers would happen and I’d observe him (1) remove himself from the situation (2) return a few minutes later with a measured and calmly verbalised input. After a while, he stopped leaving the room, just stood there thinking for a few seconds before responding calmly. Now, it’s automatic.

I will add that our DC are older, his work is a lot less stressful, and he’s mid-40s now. I think it all came together at the same time.

I’ve asked him a few times what changed. He doesn’t want to tell me in too much detail; I think he’s embarrassed and I think also protective of his parents. But, at his instigation, we see his parents very infrequently now. Partly I think it’s because everyone’s older, but I think it’s mostly that he’s chosen to find a balance between avoiding his childhood dynamic when he’s with them, and doing the dutiful thing around Christmas etc. It’s all fine with me, and it’s certainly fine with him. I can tell his parents are confused or perturbed, but it’s not my business.

So, we did it. He put the work in, we’re all reaping the rewards. Our home is calm, stable, normal 365/365. I didn’t LTB and he wasn’t and isn’t abusive! He had a problem, he fixed it, and I’m very glad to have been there keeping the show on the road while he did….because it’s my turn now. I’m really going through the mill (and sadly taking them all along with me) with the menopause and NOTHING is working 😩. But, I have DH and he’s being everything to me that I was to him. To my mind, that’s what partnership and marriage is.

I hope your DH/DP can find the way too, @GreekDogRescue.

OP posts:
Nat6999 · 25/03/2024 04:39

Have you ever considered Autism? The being exhausted after a blow up rings bells for me, it happens when I have had a long period of masking, like a bottle of fizzy pop that has been shaken up for ages looks perfectly normal until the top is taken off but you can't stop it exploding. When I have a meltdown, I can sleep for 18 hours & still feel shattered. Would he speak to his GP & ask for an assessment, I've found that since I have got a diagnosis I can control the meltdowns because I now know what triggers one & that I'm not going crazy like I thought before I got the diagnosis.

Devastated999 · 25/03/2024 06:19

What a great outcome for your DH’s difficulties!

As for your Menopause, I have been through it, and things are brighter the other side. Through I am on patches (Evorel conti) and take magnesium and turmeric, I am restored from a lost, crazy angry weepy version of myself.

Good luck to you, and know that there is an end to the misery of menopause.

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