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Living with DH’s mental health problem

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prepareforlanding · 17/05/2022 14:58

I’ll say at the outset that my family situation is not LTB territory. I’ve never bought into that glib response (except in obvious cases of abuse) and I don’t feel my situation merits it anyway. Our home life is stable, secure, happy (within the realms of a high-stress/long hours high earner) and we are all healthy. Our children are happy and thriving at school and out, my life is balanced, content and busy and I’m happy with it. DH and I feel that we have many blessings to count.

DH and I have been married for 14 years. We have a lot of respect for each other - achievements, work ethic, forbearance, values. We laugh a lot together, we enjoy the same pastimes, we are supportive of each other emotionally and practically. We both consider the other to be a “good person”. In short, we love each other deeply, and we are in it for life.

The only fly in the ointment is that DH has a mental health issue. It manifests as anger and volatility and aggression (never towards a person, he wouldn’t hurt a fly), and what looks to me like sullen, self-pitying frustration and victimhood. When the mood descends, he simultaneously acts as though he deserves to be miserable and will say that he’s worthless and has no value; and blames me aggressively for not helping him, extending kindness towards him, never admitting that anything is my fault while in a roundabout way implying that everything is actually my fault (implying because he rants, he doesn’t express himself clearly or logically). I will be going about my week and when the explosion comes it’s out of the blue to me. I’m accused of gaslighting him, of twisting things, of nagging and berating when really what he needs is kindness - which I think (because he can’t say exactly what it is) is me letting him get away with this behaviour that’s damaging to me and to our children without any objections from me. Just letting everything slide, silently letting him be however he needs to be and quietly fixing things for myself and the D.C. by myself.

From my perspective, I am protecting our children and myself from a roaring temper and destructive atmosphere, by challenging him on what he’s saying, pointing out the inconsistencies and flawed logic of what he’s saying, telling him how things feel and seem to the D.C. and to me, asking him to get a grip etc. This is like a red rag to a bull. It makes him feel like I’m having a go at him even more, pointing out all his failings and inadequacies, that I’m not being empathetic about how he’s feeling, and it makes him angry that I’m not accepting or supportive of his mental health challenges.

We are on totally different pages. He has an issue that I struggle to understand and evidently show little support or empathy to him about. I can’t allow myself or my children to live in a home where this behaviour goes on (it happens once or twice a year, usually lasts 2-4 days).

When he’s in these moods, nothing I say gets through. I can see that at the time. He’s not himself. It’s as though a red mist descends and he loses control entirely. The gentle, thoughtful, caring and generous man is replaced by someone who lashes out, swears, will throw whatever soft thing is to hand (cushion, garment, tissue box) at the wall or floor in anger. He paces, hissing and seething. He looks at me as though he can’t bear the sight of me. Saying anything at all to him just angers him further. Oddly, however, if any one of the three of us has something go wrong during one of these fits of temper (DS stubs a toe and cries out; I mention something that’s making me sad that he doesn’t know about eg ill health in a family member) he will immediately switch out of that mood to sincere concern and empathy and shared sadness. Everything changes: his body language, the tone of his voice - he’s just his normal self.

Once the episode passes, we’re both exhausted. We talk. I tell him he needs to seek help. He was reluctant for many years but I found someone for him who he saw for a year and it helped. I think that was easy-ish for him because he has anxiety issues at work which manifested in this way, and it’s easy to talk about something dry like a career and get prescribed drugs. This is something else though. It’s deep within him, and I wonder if it’s hereditary (he’s hinted that his own dad used to have a very violent temper).

Am I unsupportive? Am I lacking in empathy? Am I wrong to stand up for myself and “protect” his children from him? They seem perfectly happy and healthy and well balanced children to me, not remotely affected by any of this. But, children can be good at hiding things. Maybe they are affected. I don’t want to probe in case I put ideas in their heads that they SHOULD be affected.

I know this isn’t “normal”, but am I totally off piste in thinking that he needs to seek help and sort himself out and not inflict himself on the rest of us? Or is it my responsibility as his life partner to put up with all this, do what he needs doing, while he sorts himself out along the timetable that works for him? What if he gets to 60yo and this is still happening? Losing 8 days a year to this isn’t a big deal - that leaves 347 happy and good days. But I’m tired of being tired and confused and accused of things I haven’t done, of feeling lost and angry in turn. And then I wonder if that’s what it’s like for me, what must it be like for him… Finally, I don’t see this in a feminist, man versus woman way. If the roles were reversed with DH and me, the situation would be exactly the same. He’s my greatest champion as a woman, truly.

Sorry for the epic post. I just don’t have any bearings in this. Thank you for any replies.

OP posts:
newbiename · 19/05/2022 06:33

Does he 'roar in people's faces ' at work ? Or just his wife and small children's?

Bonheurdupasse · 19/05/2022 06:34

rnsaslkih · 17/05/2022 16:47

What about when he starts on an episode, he goes to stay in a hotel for 4 days?

Try this OP.
And if he doesn't (I'm guessing that he won't), you go with the kids, despite the hassle. (At least it sounds like you can afford it. )

Oblomov22 · 19/05/2022 06:43

"I have very high levels of self esteem, and I don’t need to put up with anyone or any circumstance that I don’t choose to put up with. I am extremely fortunate. "

I can't accept that this is true. If you had such high levels of self esteem then you wouldn't put up with this shit.

Or actually maybe I'm being unfair, Not always, but normally, someone who does have high self worth, is emotionally astute, and in tune with their feelings, thoughts, self awareness. But you don't seem to have the latter enough, to see all this for what it is.

Stop for a moment. Imagine that you'd had a Big Brother video filming everything that's gone on in your house and every bath time every single time your husband had shouted or yelled. Now that video gets played to everyone you know. The world.
You should cringe. Are you?

Interested in this thread?

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CloseYourEyesAndSee · 19/05/2022 06:53

They seem perfectly happy and healthy and well balanced children to me, not remotely affected by any of this. But, children can be good at hiding things. Maybe they are affected. I don’t want to probe in case I put ideas in their heads that they SHOULD be affected

meaning you've never asked them how they feel about these episodes because you're too scared to hear the answer. You KNOW this behaviour is damaging them. You're trying very hard to stay in denial.

Thistlelass · 19/05/2022 07:05

I think some on here are getting carried away with things here! This happens maybe twice a year? Well I am sorry but there are families out there where the children are facing much worse on a daily basis! What I think would be helpful to try to develop is some sort of code words for signalling to the other parent that he needs to quickly step aside from what he is doing. This will be needed to allow him to get his feelings/expression of same under control. Additionally such 'incidents' can be used later with the children to explore the world of feelings and how they affect us. Just my thoughts at 7.00 am

Nikki078 · 19/05/2022 07:09

'He doesn’t enjoy being this way, at all. But he’s had a lifetime of it and he’s exhausted by it. Confronting it in therapy would be even more exhausting, I think. And I wonder if on some level he’s scared of what he will find'

I think your husband tries really hard not to let his anger out and most of the time it comes out as being ' so laid back he's horizontal' as you say. It's in no way sustainable of course, and it overspills every so often.

I agree he may need therapy to unpack it, and yes this means that things will get harder for a while - for him and for you too as he unpacks his issues and you both adapt to the changes that follow. You say you've upper hand in relationship, that he does not need or want things - it this changes (as I imagine it will) in therapy, you'll both need time to adjust to new dynamic, with you stepping back and him stepping up. When one person changes, the whole system changes too.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 19/05/2022 07:09

newbiename · 19/05/2022 06:33

Does he 'roar in people's faces ' at work ? Or just his wife and small children's?

Exactly this.

bloodyunicorns · 19/05/2022 07:32

A mental health issue? What has he been diagnosed with? Because it sounds like old-fashioned bad behaviour to me tantrumming, losing his temper, throwing things, shouting, intimidating you all, saying horrible things. I don't think most MH issues cause those behaviour...

Does he just act like this with you, his family? Or does he roar at strangers and throw things at people on the street? I think I can guess the answer.

If it's just you he acts like this with, then he is CHOOSING to act this way.

Even if this just happens a couple of times a year, it will be terrifying to your Dc, and they WILL remember it.

bloodyunicorns · 19/05/2022 07:33

Don't minimise what's happening. Don't deny it.

This is not a perfect marriage; it has serious flaws.

Chikapu · 19/05/2022 07:44

Thistlelass · 19/05/2022 07:05

I think some on here are getting carried away with things here! This happens maybe twice a year? Well I am sorry but there are families out there where the children are facing much worse on a daily basis! What I think would be helpful to try to develop is some sort of code words for signalling to the other parent that he needs to quickly step aside from what he is doing. This will be needed to allow him to get his feelings/expression of same under control. Additionally such 'incidents' can be used later with the children to explore the world of feelings and how they affect us. Just my thoughts at 7.00 am

Just because it only happens a few times a year and other people have it worse doesn't make it acceptable, have a word with yourself if you think it does.
Violent outbursts will be having an impact on the children, having a grown man roaring in their faces will be terrifying and they're probably at a point where they're waiting for it to happen again.
OP, I find the way you're describing all this extremely disturbing and would suggest you seek help for yourself too.

DeskInUse · 19/05/2022 07:55

Our home life is stable, secure, happy (within the realms of a high-stress/long hours high earner) and we are all healthy. Our children are happy and thriving at school and out, my life is balanced, content and busy and I’m happy with it

What you describe is anything but this, and you can't be happy with it otherwise you wouldn't be posting on mn or looking for solutions

It may only happen a few times a year, but it looks like your ds is also starting to behave in a similar manner - monkey see, monkey do.
He indeed does need help with this, 2/3 times a year is damaging to all around him, how would you feel if your dc did this with their family in years to come?

Tippexy · 19/05/2022 07:59

prepareforlanding · 17/05/2022 15:53

Also, it wasn’t showering DS that brought it on. It was already there, but he was short tempered as he showered DS.

Clearly, your DS is modeling his learned response from his father.

that would make me stop and pause.

Doingmybest12 · 19/05/2022 08:09

The only way is to get him to leave for a few days while he is feeling unstable. Or you leave with the children when you can feel this brewing.8 times a year, more than once in every 8 weeks. This is not a good role model for your children. They will be finding it hard no matter how they present. You need to not bite back and not enflame the situation , escalating the situation at the time will not get him to see things differently. He isn't all the lovely things you describe if he can't take responsibility and try to sort this out. Bet he isn't out in the community behaving in this way.

Doingmybest12 · 19/05/2022 08:11

Sorry, thought I read 8x a year. Even so my opinion still stands

TurkishBath · 19/05/2022 08:12

@Doingmybest12 - OP said it happens once or twice a year, where has the 8 times come from?

or the stuff about DS copying behaviours?

MrsWooster · 19/05/2022 08:15

Aquamarine1029 · 17/05/2022 16:49

I think you're deluding yourself into believing this isn't as bad as it really is. He is toxic, violent, and he sounds absolutely unhinged. Sadly, you aren't protecting your kids from anything. All I can imagine is that your children must feel like they are living with a grenade in their hand that could go off at any second.

I have never once been concerned about my children’s safety! I wouldn’t be here if I were/had been. He wouldn’t hurt a fly.

He IS hurting them. Mental trauma is every bit as significant as physical trauma.

This. It needs to be discussed, acknowledged and dealt with because the children AREA being damaged by this.

averythinline · 19/05/2022 08:16

Do you don't think that roaring in a child's face is hurting them?

Really, how often do you think that's acceptable ...an adult male who is physically much larger and is supposed to have unconditional love for you is roaring in your face in your home which is supposed to be your safe space and even worse whilst your naked ......how more vulnerable does your child need to be..

If a stranger shouted in your child's face what would you do?

The rest is all flannel ...you are not protecting your children

HistoricMoment · 19/05/2022 08:34

You must have known what the response on here would be. IMO, if you come on MN to write about this issue, you are subconsciously wanting people to tell you to leave.

UlcerativePoliteness · 19/05/2022 08:39

What steps is he taking to manage this?
As a decent man he should be making an effort to recognise the build up to these red mist moments and learn how to either nip them in the bud or remove himself from the situation.

Unfortunately so many men refuse to self reflect in this way and rely on women in their lives to manage, minimise and placate, often modifying their own behaviour to try to change things.

At the same time any daughters you have are learning that aggressive behaviour in men is normal and that they must accept it, any sons are learning that this is acceptable.

Is this a pattern you and your husband are happy to continue? For now and with your children?

Whether you LTB or not is up to you, but at the very least your H should step up and take some responsibility.

Tormenteddd · 19/05/2022 08:41

Sorry if I have missed something.

Does he actually have a MH condition?

HairyBum · 19/05/2022 08:44

He needs to leave when he feels like this. Or you can leave with kids. You and your children should not be subjected to this poor behaviour and he needs to actively get help. What strategies. Does he have in place?

Scianel · 19/05/2022 08:51

OP your initial description of your marriage doesn't tally at all with your subsequent description of his behaviour. It's highly abusive and you're minimising it by called it coyly a "mental health issue".
You have absolutely massive cognitive dissonance going on, I suspect in a desperate attempt to persuade yourself that your life and marriage is indeed as per your initial description but you must know deep down that it's anything but.

HeidiWhole · 19/05/2022 08:59

Does he have a diagnosed condition? I suggest you look for a psychiatrist rather than a therapist.

Wolfiefan · 19/05/2022 09:09

I’m not sure how you’ve come to the conclusions that this is a MH problem. His behaviour isn’t acceptable. And he doesn’t seem to want to change. Does he behave like this with other people or just at home? Also don’t think that kids are fine as long as there isn’t physical abuse.

Bongbangbing · 19/05/2022 09:16

Reminds me of someone with cptsd who has triggers that they don't realise/they haven't done the work to get to the root of their emotional state. I suffer from that and BPD and it's really difficult and the guilt about outbursts can make it even worse.

If I'm right it's definitely treatable.

Completely agree with you that no one is perfect and that a great relationship isn't worth leaving for something like this especially when they are willing to work on it. Many of us carry issues from childhood and it's the desire/willingness to work on being better that counts in my opinion.