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Living with DH’s mental health problem

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prepareforlanding · 17/05/2022 14:58

I’ll say at the outset that my family situation is not LTB territory. I’ve never bought into that glib response (except in obvious cases of abuse) and I don’t feel my situation merits it anyway. Our home life is stable, secure, happy (within the realms of a high-stress/long hours high earner) and we are all healthy. Our children are happy and thriving at school and out, my life is balanced, content and busy and I’m happy with it. DH and I feel that we have many blessings to count.

DH and I have been married for 14 years. We have a lot of respect for each other - achievements, work ethic, forbearance, values. We laugh a lot together, we enjoy the same pastimes, we are supportive of each other emotionally and practically. We both consider the other to be a “good person”. In short, we love each other deeply, and we are in it for life.

The only fly in the ointment is that DH has a mental health issue. It manifests as anger and volatility and aggression (never towards a person, he wouldn’t hurt a fly), and what looks to me like sullen, self-pitying frustration and victimhood. When the mood descends, he simultaneously acts as though he deserves to be miserable and will say that he’s worthless and has no value; and blames me aggressively for not helping him, extending kindness towards him, never admitting that anything is my fault while in a roundabout way implying that everything is actually my fault (implying because he rants, he doesn’t express himself clearly or logically). I will be going about my week and when the explosion comes it’s out of the blue to me. I’m accused of gaslighting him, of twisting things, of nagging and berating when really what he needs is kindness - which I think (because he can’t say exactly what it is) is me letting him get away with this behaviour that’s damaging to me and to our children without any objections from me. Just letting everything slide, silently letting him be however he needs to be and quietly fixing things for myself and the D.C. by myself.

From my perspective, I am protecting our children and myself from a roaring temper and destructive atmosphere, by challenging him on what he’s saying, pointing out the inconsistencies and flawed logic of what he’s saying, telling him how things feel and seem to the D.C. and to me, asking him to get a grip etc. This is like a red rag to a bull. It makes him feel like I’m having a go at him even more, pointing out all his failings and inadequacies, that I’m not being empathetic about how he’s feeling, and it makes him angry that I’m not accepting or supportive of his mental health challenges.

We are on totally different pages. He has an issue that I struggle to understand and evidently show little support or empathy to him about. I can’t allow myself or my children to live in a home where this behaviour goes on (it happens once or twice a year, usually lasts 2-4 days).

When he’s in these moods, nothing I say gets through. I can see that at the time. He’s not himself. It’s as though a red mist descends and he loses control entirely. The gentle, thoughtful, caring and generous man is replaced by someone who lashes out, swears, will throw whatever soft thing is to hand (cushion, garment, tissue box) at the wall or floor in anger. He paces, hissing and seething. He looks at me as though he can’t bear the sight of me. Saying anything at all to him just angers him further. Oddly, however, if any one of the three of us has something go wrong during one of these fits of temper (DS stubs a toe and cries out; I mention something that’s making me sad that he doesn’t know about eg ill health in a family member) he will immediately switch out of that mood to sincere concern and empathy and shared sadness. Everything changes: his body language, the tone of his voice - he’s just his normal self.

Once the episode passes, we’re both exhausted. We talk. I tell him he needs to seek help. He was reluctant for many years but I found someone for him who he saw for a year and it helped. I think that was easy-ish for him because he has anxiety issues at work which manifested in this way, and it’s easy to talk about something dry like a career and get prescribed drugs. This is something else though. It’s deep within him, and I wonder if it’s hereditary (he’s hinted that his own dad used to have a very violent temper).

Am I unsupportive? Am I lacking in empathy? Am I wrong to stand up for myself and “protect” his children from him? They seem perfectly happy and healthy and well balanced children to me, not remotely affected by any of this. But, children can be good at hiding things. Maybe they are affected. I don’t want to probe in case I put ideas in their heads that they SHOULD be affected.

I know this isn’t “normal”, but am I totally off piste in thinking that he needs to seek help and sort himself out and not inflict himself on the rest of us? Or is it my responsibility as his life partner to put up with all this, do what he needs doing, while he sorts himself out along the timetable that works for him? What if he gets to 60yo and this is still happening? Losing 8 days a year to this isn’t a big deal - that leaves 347 happy and good days. But I’m tired of being tired and confused and accused of things I haven’t done, of feeling lost and angry in turn. And then I wonder if that’s what it’s like for me, what must it be like for him… Finally, I don’t see this in a feminist, man versus woman way. If the roles were reversed with DH and me, the situation would be exactly the same. He’s my greatest champion as a woman, truly.

Sorry for the epic post. I just don’t have any bearings in this. Thank you for any replies.

OP posts:
DPotter · 17/05/2022 17:03

To answer your direct questions - no it is your responsibility to put up with it and you shouldn't have to accept his behaviour
sorry bad slip

it is NOT your responsibility to put up with it

notsosoftanymore · 17/05/2022 17:11

What you've described OP sounds like borderline personality disorder or unstable personality disorder. Will he see the GP? Various kinds of therapy would help and maybe some medication to even things out a bit. It's not good for any of you living with it.

Lazerbeen · 17/05/2022 17:14

prepareforlanding · 17/05/2022 16:40

I have never once been concerned about my children’s safety! I wouldn’t be here if I were/had been. He wouldn’t hurt a fly. It goes against everything he stands for to harm another human. It’s the raised voice he can’t control, and the loss of rational thought. It’s as though his mind scrambles, isn’t capable of thinking straight, and gets locked behind a wall of hurt and anger. He doesn’t lash out at others; fundamentally, he hates himself in these moments, I think. He’s angry that he is who he is. And that’s why he would never harm anyone else. He’d hate himself even more (in addition to him actually being someone who has never and would never hurt someone else). He doesn’t realise, though, that his loud voice and body language and facial expressions ARE hurtful. I’ve told him, but he takes that as me kicking him when he’s already down.

But you don't know that if he can't control his actions when the red mist descends. As a PP said your children might become the same as he has from his fathers behaviour.

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Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 17/05/2022 17:33

There are 3 main issues here.

  1. He is coping between spells by suppressing difficult or negative emotions and when he cant do this any more they erupt. Until he engages in some kind of therapy to learn how to deal with things he will continue to do this.
  2. Rather than engaging with the content of what he is saying, you may be better to comment on what he is actually doing - 'I dont want to discuss this while you are in this mood'.
  3. Are you and the others walking on eggshells between explosions? This would be a concern for me, and how this is affecting the sense of security in the house.
Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 17/05/2022 17:34

PS, What does he suggest you should do between these spells? He should be taking responsibility for this too.

moomintrolls · 17/05/2022 18:02

It sounds like you're supporting him to the best of your ability. You have limits too.

In my view he should be willing to do work on himself via therapy, maybe via some type of diet or herbal remedy that will help maintain his calmness, or even something from a GP as a last resort.

I get what he's going through and that he feels as though he can't stop himself being angry, but he can and should.

You can remind him that just because he is going through strong feelings it doesn't mean he can abuse everyone else in the house. That's not fair. He needs to find a way to get that anger out that doesn't impact on you, such as going for a walk.

If I feel like blowing up, because I have anger issues myself, I go for a walk with blaring music and talk myself down - it's what works for me and that costs the price of a Spotify membership and some apple earphones. There will be a way he can do the same.

Fantasea · 17/05/2022 18:05

Or is it my responsibility as his life partner to put up with all this, do what he needs doing, while he sorts himself out along the timetable that works for him?

No.

OP, your DH has an anger problem which is up to him to seek help for, for himself and for his family. As a poster upthread asked, is he like this at work? I also suspect not. You say that if something happens such as your DS stubbing a toe, he can bring himself out of it. All this suggests he has some control. I lived with an angry man for decades and was on constant eggshells, fearing the next outburst. It's no way to live, you say it's only 8 days a year, so what happens if this increases, is that going to be too much? Are you frightened of him?

uncomfortablydumb53 · 17/05/2022 18:09

These episodes, however infrequent are highly damaging your DC. Internally they will be waiting for the next explosive episode.
It is your DH's responsibility to seek help for this, and personally I would give him an ultimatum
Even if it's only 8 days a year, you can't predict what will set him off

Etinoxaurus · 17/05/2022 18:23

I scrolled up and down but can’t see what happened to his Dad? Are other posters referring to his violent temper?

look into the Hoffman Programme OP
Flowers
This isn’t sustainable.

Mojoj · 17/05/2022 18:37

Your husband is putting his needs before you and your children. He's emotionally abusive and needs therapy. His refusal to get that therapy, for whatever reason, demonstrates that his needs and wants are more important than his family. And don't kid yourself that your children are unaffected. They will most certainly be affected by living under the threat of his explosive temper.

prepareforlanding · 18/05/2022 01:39

Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 17/05/2022 17:33

There are 3 main issues here.

  1. He is coping between spells by suppressing difficult or negative emotions and when he cant do this any more they erupt. Until he engages in some kind of therapy to learn how to deal with things he will continue to do this.
  2. Rather than engaging with the content of what he is saying, you may be better to comment on what he is actually doing - 'I dont want to discuss this while you are in this mood'.
  3. Are you and the others walking on eggshells between explosions? This would be a concern for me, and how this is affecting the sense of security in the house.

No 1 is exactly right. He is the most stable, even-keeled person I’ve ever met (apart from these episodes). He’s so laid back, he’s horizontal. But, this is because he’s holding it all in and it gets pent up.

I’m not at all scared of him. I don’t walk on eggshells, and I don’t think the children do - but I suspect they will have their own ‘coping’ mechanisms. Between the two of us, I suppose you could say that I have the upper hand in our relationship, mostly. DH is not a man of particular wants or needs or strong preferences about most things. I am in charge of our family’s life, the decision maker on all the big and little things. I have very high levels of self esteem, and I don’t need to put up with anyone or any circumstance that I don’t choose to put up with. I am extremely fortunate. I have a profound freedom that many, many women lack. I chose DH and I continue to choose DH. For this fault, he has many virtues. And I’m not an easy person to live with either!

We have spoken today, properly. He has, for the first time, accepted that he needs help. He probably also will need my help finding the right help (I’ve had more therapy than he has, and I’m not trammelled by shame or self-consciousness or fear). I will gladly do this for him, and offered to go with him if he wants me to. I’ve also told him that we need to be open about this at home: “no dinner with daddy tonight, he’s going to see his doctor” and honest, age-appropriate answers to the questions that will follow.

I want this behaviour to stop, for his sake and our DCs’. I also want our DC to see us stick together, work through the problem together, and not give up on each other. This is really, really important to me. We don’t give up, neither of us are quitters.

Thank you all for taking the time to reply. This thread has helped me get through to DH, and sift through my own confusion at a muddled time. As so often on MN, I’m touched by the kindness of strangers.

💐

OP posts:
Quartz2208 · 18/05/2022 11:01

But, this is because he’s holding it all in and it gets pent up.

So for the rest of the time he never speaks up if he has an issue etc?

This is incredibly dangerous and definitely needs therapy to work on. My Mum did this when I was younger and the resulting breakdown and spell in Psychiatric care wasnt pleasant.

The good side was that the intense week of therapy she had whilst in hospital enabled her to deal with it and she came out in a much better place and has handled this much better for the last 35 years. However it was for me incredibly traumatic to see.

It also means I feel being open about mental health is incredibly important - there should be no stigma attached to it. Be open with your children about it - it is no different from seeing a doctor for a physical ailment.

And please dont underestimate what impact this has on your children and what coping mechanisms they will have either - how old are they

VitaminB34 · 18/05/2022 11:28

Which diagnosis? He sounds like someone I dated who had BPD but was otherwise high functioning.

uncomfortablydumb53 · 19/05/2022 00:02

I'm glad you've been able to talk with DH and he has agreed to seek help
Wishing you the best of luck

JanesTeaAddiction · 19/05/2022 03:08

I’m not at all scared of him. I don’t walk on eggshells, and I don’t think the children do - but I suspect they will have their own ‘coping’ mechanisms. Between the two of us, I suppose you could say that I have the upper hand in our relationship, mostly. DH is not a man of particular wants or needs or strong preferences about most things. I am in charge of our family’s life, the decision maker on all the big and little things. I have very high levels of self esteem, and I don’t need to put up with anyone or any circumstance that I don’t choose to put up with. I am extremely fortunate. I have a profound freedom that many, many women lack. I chose DH and I continue to choose DH. For this fault, he has many virtues. And I’m not an easy person to live with either!

This reads like you are trying to rationalise your decision to stay with him despite the emotional abuse he is subjecting your children to.

You talk about your 'upper hand' and 'freedom' to choose your DH nearly like an alcoholic kidding themselves that they could not stop anytime they want and it's not a problem.

Angry men who explode in the way you describe will leave a mark on your children.

TurkishBath · 19/05/2022 03:21

I think he needs a psychiatrist not a therapist. Can you afford a private psychiatrist? When it’s explored properly, he might find that he has a mood disorder and that there are “ups” as well as downs relating to these episodes. Bipolar type 2 can be hard to spot as being hypomanic can seem just like being enthusiastic and motivated, from the outside, or it can even manifest as intense irritability and anger.

If it is only happening a couple of times a year and he is exhausted afterwards (does he seem depressed afterwards?) then it didn’t sound like his nature or his way of dealing with life/controlling others, he sounds ill.

With bipolar it is possible to have long periods of stability without episodes but then to have a relapse. It seems though, that as the illness progresses, the periods between episodes get shorter and the episodes get worse.

The right medication should prevent this, and there are options with few side effects that could work if that is his issue.

I am not saying that is the case, as not qualified to diagnose anyone. Definitely worth getting the money together to see an expert. The GP can’t diagnose bipolar and can only prescribe bog standard anti-depressants, and the NHS consultant wait - if he got a referral - would probably be far too long.

TurkishBath · 19/05/2022 03:30

One thing that does stand out to me though is your suggestion that “he will probably need my help finding the right help”.

Be very careful with that. He does need help, one way or another, but he won’t get it, take it seriously or comply with any advice if he doesn’t totally believe he needs help or to change. He needs to be pretty desperate and he won’t be if you are babying him. If you are working harder than he is to solve his problem, something isn’t right.

There is a book called Codependency No More, by Melody Beattie , that I highly recommend to you, if you really want to help him and be there for yourself and your DC as well.

VitaminB34 · 19/05/2022 05:49

Bipolar episodes tend to last for weeks or months, not days. Even in type II. I don't think it's that.

TurkishBath · 19/05/2022 06:07

@VitaminB34 - That is not true for everyone. have bipolar type 2 and so does my DH.

It presented quite differently in both of us. It was the first thing that jumped out at me as soon as I read the OP.

It doesn’t mean it is that of course. But I do know that people can spend years and years seeing therapists but actually, medical help is needed. I know because I did this.

Not that I’m knocking therapy, it’s always going to be helpful but it’s hard for anything to stick when suffering from an illness that needs treatment. Talking therapy doesn’t solve everything.

UserError012345 · 19/05/2022 06:17

I don't think LTB's are given out glibly.

I think others here are able to see the situation for what it is, remove the emotion and respond accordingly. Sometimes that is, LTB.

We can waste so much of our lives, wanting & hoping something will turn out to be what we want and there has to be a line that's reached when it doesn't look like it's going to happen.

I think you're approaching it as much as you are reluctant to see.

How much energy do you want to put into helping someone that doesn't appear to be making any long term solutions to help themselves.

collieresponder88 · 19/05/2022 06:22

The first part of your post is not real though is it. It's what you want it to be like. Like Instagram it's all fake. The reality is you are married to a bully who you need to leave to stop your kids being messed up. Time to get real and face up to it I'm afraid

reasonableme · 19/05/2022 06:23

OP, I am so sorry it's happening with you. Is the "mental health issue" Schizophrenia? These episodes seem like the reactions to his own paranoid delusions. It might be worth seeing a psychiatrist as soon as possible.

MiddleParking · 19/05/2022 06:27

Your posts read like you have a set of beliefs about yourself/your marriage that you think wouldn’t be able to stand if you said “my husband is regularly scaring and upsetting me and my kids and has no interest in ceasing to do so and it’s not alright”. You don’t have the upper hand here and that isn’t a reflection on you as a person or your strength/self-esteem etc. Women generally don’t have the upper hand over volatile men, and children don’t by definition.

Oblomov22 · 19/05/2022 06:33

I'm so angry reading your post. Incredibly angry.

"They seem perfectly happy and healthy and well balanced children to me, not remotely affected by any of this. But, children can be good at hiding things. Maybe they are affected. I don’t want to probe in case I put ideas in their heads that they SHOULD be affected. "

Your denial is so bad, so shocking, I have to question all your judgment.
You describe this fabulous loving man. But he isn't. He's abusive and damaging to your children. You can't see this. Don't want to. I have trouble accepting. You as a woman, failing in your duty as a mother is an issue to me. I can only hope that other posters will phrase it better, persuade you to take action, make him see his GP, set up counselling, or leave.