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Ukraine Invasion: Part 24

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MagicFox · 05/05/2022 17:40

Welcome one and all and thanks again to everyone contributing

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MagicFox · 09/05/2022 08:29

Ffs he's just lying and making up all kinds of bullshit about NATO threatening Russia, nukes in ukraine etc

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MagicFox · 09/05/2022 08:29

Not yet elephant, don't speak to soon!

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MagicFox · 09/05/2022 08:30

Minutes silence now for the Russian soldiers, let's do our own for the UA and their men, women and children

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katem98 · 09/05/2022 08:33

He sadly looks rather wellHmm

MagicFox · 09/05/2022 08:33

All done guys, breathe

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TargusEasting · 09/05/2022 08:33

He is saying Nato has declared war. He is pissed off the narrative is the West won WW2 and no recognition of Russia in that. Otherwise its just another Victory Parade. Don't see how he can play it differently.

I am watching on You Tube, Telegraph channel. The on-screen translation is poor, talking about "New biscuits" and "Paul Newman", "Sea Bass", "Nipples" and "Mitsubishi". Very poor.

MagicFox · 09/05/2022 08:34

It was just a repeat of the same old fantastical justifications for war, no step up in the language of sabre rattling from what we've already seen

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 09/05/2022 08:34

ScrollingLeaves · 08/05/2022 22:20

This is horribly worrying if this is reliable information.

But it also says some Russians are trying to help them.

Putin sends Mariupol survivors to remote corners of Russia as investigation reveals network of 66 camps

inews.co.uk/news/putin-mariupol-survivors-remote-corners-russia-investigation-network-camps-1615516

I can’t get my head round the deportations. The idea that it is going to act as a solution to Russia’s population problems just seems demented. Do they seriously think people are just going to stay and settle? Obviously in the immediate short term it is going to be very difficult for people to leave with no money or documents but I very much doubt the average Ukrainian shipped to Sakhalin is going to think ‘oh well, I’m here now, better make the best of it.’ It might be a long way from everywhere except Japan but there will be people in Japan just as determined to help as in much of Europe.

JohnRokesmith · 09/05/2022 08:35

MagicFox · 08/05/2022 19:53

I'm about to ask a stupid question that lays bare my ignorance (now being rapidly corrected) about geopolitics. I just read an article about China's investment in their navy and the purchase of a shit ton of warships. Now, all this military spending that is done by China, the US etc in the last few years - is it for defensive or offensive purposes? Is the idea always that they're working towards war, to the acquisition of more land? Domination? I know that everybody is now upping their defence spending and that makes sense but prior to this moment, have the great geopolitical actors always been moving towards war, towards offence rather than defence?

A bit of both. China really wants to get hold of Taiwan, and have a navy capable of dominating its surrounding maritime landscape. Right now, an attempted invasion of Taiwan would lead to a lot of sunken ships, so they need better naval capabilities, and expansion of the navy is therefore needed to fulfil military ambitions.

But the bigger issue right now, one which the media doesn’t pick up, is that China is currently facing some serious domestic issues. The most significant, perhaps, is that it looks like the country’s population is in decline (the 2020 census may have overstated China’s population by 130m), which may accelerate due to sex imbalances. Meanwhile, the flooding of 2021 severely degraded much of the country’s arable land. If you are the ruler of a country of a billion people, dependent on imports of food and fuel, you may well feel vulnerable, particularly if most of these imports come in by sea through the Straits of Malacca. The Chinese leadership is acutely aware of national vulnerabilities, and are attempting to counter this through an aggressive projection of power.

The Chinese government is perturbed by the current conflict in the Ukraine. They have been building up their military for years, to both bully other countries (defensive) and to conquer Taiwan (offensive), but are now seeing that it would not be an easy war, and they would likely see unified international opposition to any conflict. There is, I suspect, a lot of debate behind closed doors in Beijing as to where China should go in the current circumstances, a fact which probably explains a lot about the somewhat lukewarm Chinese support for the current conflict.

MagicFox · 09/05/2022 08:35

Overview of key takeaways from the speech: twitter.com/m_suchkov/status/1523562818854813696?s=21&t=gp0f32EjUbaMX23DYghcWQ

Hope you're feeling better @Scoobydoooo99

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Natsku · 09/05/2022 08:36

katem98 · 09/05/2022 08:33

He sadly looks rather wellHmm

Very sadly, urgh.

So lots of lying from him, to be expected of course, but nothing major. Not as bad as feared.

MagicFox · 09/05/2022 08:37

Thanks for that fantastic explanation to my bloated question @JohnRokesmith !

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katem98 · 09/05/2022 08:38

Yes @Natsku, was much more muted than I had expected if I'm honest!

TargusEasting · 09/05/2022 08:39

Air Parade cancelled. Due to poor weather, apparently.

Rain forecast, but not low cloud cover. Tsk...!

katem98 · 09/05/2022 08:41

Links aren't working properly so here, crikey.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 24
Natsku · 09/05/2022 08:47

Ooo nice

Throwawaytoday · 09/05/2022 08:49

'poor weather conditions' or 'run out of planes'?

I'm going with the latter.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 09/05/2022 08:50

katem98 · 09/05/2022 08:41

Links aren't working properly so here, crikey.

Happy May 9th, everyone.

Throwawaytoday · 09/05/2022 08:50

I, for one, am glad he's looking well - he's much scarier when he's got nothing to lose.

May he be very very healthy, then accidentally poisoned by an errant prawn.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 09/05/2022 08:52

TargusEasting · 09/05/2022 08:39

Air Parade cancelled. Due to poor weather, apparently.

Rain forecast, but not low cloud cover. Tsk...!

Their planes are so shit that if they get wet they fall apart. That’s my theory.

DuncinToffee · 09/05/2022 08:56

TargusEasting · 09/05/2022 08:39

Air Parade cancelled. Due to poor weather, apparently.

Rain forecast, but not low cloud cover. Tsk...!

Tim White

^One thing to note is the air parade and fly pasts have apparently been cancelled in Moscow due to weather. But it's not raining and not too windy.
Same in numerous other citie' parades in #Russia today.^

DuncinToffee · 09/05/2022 08:57

Full Tim White thread

^Day 75 of #Russia's illegal war on #Ukraine.¬

Another fail for Putin, the 4 day war (10 day max) is still in full swing. So the little man will have to make up some sort of victory to proclaim, with celebrations of the Soviet win in WWII getting underway in Moscow.
Here's the
twitter.com/TWMCLtd/status/1523559547415138304?t=7Bot9_IhJEWbbZomgVfdzQ&s=19

notimagain · 09/05/2022 09:00

TargusEasting · 09/05/2022 08:39

Air Parade cancelled. Due to poor weather, apparently.

Rain forecast, but not low cloud cover. Tsk...!

FWIW Sheremetyevo Forecast issued at 0453 UTC this morning

UUEE 090453Z 0906/1006 33006G12MPS 9999 BKN020 TX09/0910Z TN03/1002Z TEMPO 0908/0917 34012G19MPS 2900 -SHRA FEW007 BKN016CB

In English - windy, throughout the day chance of big showers, at times visibility down to 2900 metres, some cloud at 700 feet.....

So just about OK at times but objectively not great for dragging a large formation of aircraft over a big built up area...(mind you have they got enough aircraft left for a large formation?)

Scoobydoooo99 · 09/05/2022 09:01

@MagicFox I don’t want to look 🤣 has he stopped talking and did he say anything awful or what we expected or? I’m to terrified to click on anything incase it sends me over the edge today! However thank you so much for checking in! X

Igotjelly · 09/05/2022 09:06

Putin looks much healthier than he has done recently doesn't he. Perhaps its the fresh air and the fact that he isn't hiding himself away. The power of vitamin D!

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