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Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

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Meltinthemiddle · 04/05/2022 20:06

Really not sure what to think tbh.

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SpidersAreShitheads · 05/05/2022 06:58

2020in2020 · 05/05/2022 06:40

I am a staunch feminist and DV survivor, I have watched the trial. My father has also been in an abusive relationship for years with an absolute nightmare of a woman. I heard so much of her rhetoric in the recordings and Amber’s testimony. She claims to have been sexually abused too. She abused previous partners - she stabbed her ex-husband and so far has beaten my father, and tried to set fire to his home whilst he was in it. I believe Johnny Depp is innocent.

Mumsnet is the only place I have where people are blindly believing Amber Heard in the face of overwhelming evidence. It’s very upsetting. Before someone brings up his texts - the things my father and I have said about his partner in one of the phases he managed to leave her, I wouldn’t be particularly proud to have them read in court. But they don’t indicate my, or my father’s predisposition to abuse. Amber Heard so far has zero concrete evidence of Johnny Depp abusing her (a kitchen, yes, while she smirked at the camera) while Johnny has presented evidence that he was hit. She is on tape admitting it.

she is absolutely disgusting and bringing down the reputation of DV victims and she has inadvertently made it a lot easier to discredit us by lying. She even took her assistants story of rape and claimed it as her own for gods sake. What more will it take? The mental gymnastics on here are frustrating.

A lot of posters on here claim to be concerned about toxic masculinity. But here you all are, holding up the double standards that a man can’t possibly be abused.

This a million times over.

she said she can’t remember how many times a day she was hit in the face by JD while he was wearing his rings.

But no facial injuries ever.

Not witnessed by anyone.

What they did witness was her attacking him, her vile temper. And her mocking him after she admitted to hitting him. On tape.

What we do have is proof she lied stone dead about the donation. Proof that she’s a comfortable liar.

If a woman had a drink or drug habit we’d be up in arms about victim blaming. I just don’t understand what more people want to see as proof.

I really hope that the jury is able to view this more objectively than some people on here.

AdriftAbroad1 · 05/05/2022 07:07

SlatsandFlaps · 05/05/2022 00:18

They've been divorced 6 years!

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We were watching it live, I was asking if they were married yet, in her timeline of evidence.

We were infact, only one or two years of being a girlfriend only. She already has so many photos which I found odd.

We have got a long way to go.

I am aware they have been divorced for years 😂

AdriftAbroad1 · 05/05/2022 07:10

SlatsandFlaps · 05/05/2022 00:17

When I'm listening intensely I doodle. When I went on a course once, the lecturer said that doodling is how many people listen and that it absolutely was acceptable to do so

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DD (14) has just been told it helps memory and will help in exams, in her history class yesterday, by her teacher!

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Notmyyearthisyear · 05/05/2022 07:24

Annabelle69 · 04/05/2022 21:57

My DP had to spend time with Amber Heard through work (5 years ago) . He generally trys to see the good in everyone. His opinion of her is extremely low.

While I don't know what really happened, it certainly taints my view of her.

So you don’t know what happened, but thought you’d share it on MN? As relevant information in a case of domestic abuse?

Notmyyearthisyear · 05/05/2022 07:26

StellaLoRe · 04/05/2022 22:01

What a depressing thread. And of course, many of the usual suspects trotting out the usual stuff.

I have zero idea of what it takes to give evidence so publicly, about such intimate, harrowing subjects, in front of the world's media. This a woman talking about DV. Christ knows what really went on, I certainly don't. But to have a thread dripping with such nasty, judgemental venom is appalling.

She doesn't look right. She looks ugly. She sounds scripted. She must be lying.

Fucking hell. Crack on, you absolutely beautiful souls. I'll hide the thread and leave you all agreeing with each other about how she probably made him do it.

This one ^
thank you @StellaLoRe

LargeTigerPrawn · 05/05/2022 07:36

People obviously have a huge issue that AH is not the right kind of DV victim.

It's true her voice, facial expressions are flat and appear rehearsed. This does not mean that JD didn't abuse her. It means that her facial expressions are flat and what she says and does is possibly rehearsed. Having rehearsed what you say and having flat expressions are not indictors that someone is lying. Being unkind and volatile doe not mean that same person cannot be also a victim.

JD is 22 years older than AH, insanely famous and the power dynamic between the two has always been in JD's favour, she has clearly bitten off more than she can chew with him. She is damaged and unlikeable, he is damaged and likeable.

All this generalising about body language is such pseudo-scientific nonsense an horrible misogyny. At the end, in court, what matters is whether in a legal sense AH is telling the truth, that JD was abusive to her during their relationship, FWIW, I believe that he was.

Deathraystare · 05/05/2022 07:39

Well they both loved a bit of a tipple and drugs. She has a violent temper and used to beat up her wife (she was married before apparently). I had to laugh when her lawyer showed the cover up stuff she apparently used to hide the bruises - which did not come out until two years after the alleged attack too place. She is on tape goading him and telling him not to walk away and admitted on tape to hitting him. She also spat in her assistant's face.

I think I read somewhere that the day he was banging cupboards etc was the day his mum had died. She was abusive to him so he must have had mixed emotions.

His sister always booked an extra room at hotels so he could get away and have some peace.

I believe she is just a gold digging, not at all good actress who benefitted from riding his coat tails.

When the police came, they did not notice any bruising or anything.

I had to laugh at the man who was asked did he notice if she was wearing make up - somehow if he hadn't noticed the make up, he would not notice the bruising. Weird. So the woman lawyer went through a list - did he notice if she was wearing foundation, concealer, mascara etc. The poor bloke was probably thinking what the fuck is concealer??

I will be on you tube late to catch up on what she says but I do not think I will change my mind....

Will be interested in the Manson case too.

SergeiL · 05/05/2022 07:41

I can’t even get to the end of this thread. The foul views of women on here are horrendous to read.

To all those who have suffered abuse on this thread, I am so sorry for what you have gone through. For those using it as ‘proof’ that Heard is lying, just remember that everyone has different experiences and reacts differently.

Thank goodness for the very few measured posters bringing some sense to the thread.

knittingaddict · 05/05/2022 07:41

User310 · 05/05/2022 00:41

I kept having to turn it off as she was making me cringe so much. I have done modules in forensic psychology and body language, she has them all! Pulling lips in (to hide them) is done when lying. Her reaction when talking about the assaults are very dramatic compared to her baseline behaviour when answering questions. I could go on.

I have no doubt the Johnny depp wasn’t a saint in their marriage however I believe that amber herd was the abusive one in the relationship.

I think The Bahaviour Panel is going to have a field day with this. I will be very interested it what they have to say. They did an earlier one on AH and they didn't believe her.

C8H10N4O2 · 05/05/2022 07:41

StellaLoRe · 04/05/2022 22:01

What a depressing thread. And of course, many of the usual suspects trotting out the usual stuff.

I have zero idea of what it takes to give evidence so publicly, about such intimate, harrowing subjects, in front of the world's media. This a woman talking about DV. Christ knows what really went on, I certainly don't. But to have a thread dripping with such nasty, judgemental venom is appalling.

She doesn't look right. She looks ugly. She sounds scripted. She must be lying.

Fucking hell. Crack on, you absolutely beautiful souls. I'll hide the thread and leave you all agreeing with each other about how she probably made him do it.

^This.

Add in the utter hypocrisy of putting "sorry" at the end of the publicly posted statement that a woman is lying about abuse on the basis that "she doesn't look right".

Perhaps those posters would post a list of the accepted modes of speech and appearance so that future victims of DV have an outside chance of being believed by their "sisters".

No wonder men routinely get away with violence against women when they so effectively divide us against each other.

Deathraystare · 05/05/2022 07:43

*Johnny's been treating this like some game, drawing pictures in court? Seriously? Laughing and joking? *

Well her lawyers are laughable. One even objected to his own question!!!

Fleurtjeblau · 05/05/2022 07:43

This is unbelievable. There is evidence and a confession from Amber about being physically abusive towards Johnny, as well as evidence of emotional abuse - all in her own recordings. There is no evidence of Johnny being abusive towards her.

This isn't a man Vs woman thing, this is people, once again, not believing the victim.

C8H10N4O2 · 05/05/2022 07:43

Will be interested in the Manson case too

You realise these are real people and its not some soap opera to titillate tricoteurs?

SilverPeacock · 05/05/2022 07:50

LargeTigerPrawn · 05/05/2022 07:36

People obviously have a huge issue that AH is not the right kind of DV victim.

It's true her voice, facial expressions are flat and appear rehearsed. This does not mean that JD didn't abuse her. It means that her facial expressions are flat and what she says and does is possibly rehearsed. Having rehearsed what you say and having flat expressions are not indictors that someone is lying. Being unkind and volatile doe not mean that same person cannot be also a victim.

JD is 22 years older than AH, insanely famous and the power dynamic between the two has always been in JD's favour, she has clearly bitten off more than she can chew with him. She is damaged and unlikeable, he is damaged and likeable.

All this generalising about body language is such pseudo-scientific nonsense an horrible misogyny. At the end, in court, what matters is whether in a legal sense AH is telling the truth, that JD was abusive to her during their relationship, FWIW, I believe that he was.

Agree with this.
The power dynamic is important when looking at the bigger picture. He is very powerful and as pp said ‘god like’ to some. The Jekyll and Hyde thing with Depp rings true for me so I am inclined to believe her about that.

CaptSkippy · 05/05/2022 07:52

SergeiL · 05/05/2022 07:41

I can’t even get to the end of this thread. The foul views of women on here are horrendous to read.

To all those who have suffered abuse on this thread, I am so sorry for what you have gone through. For those using it as ‘proof’ that Heard is lying, just remember that everyone has different experiences and reacts differently.

Thank goodness for the very few measured posters bringing some sense to the thread.

Same. The number of women on here saying that she is not "credible" as an abusive victim is nauseating. I whish they looked with the same scrutiny at Depp, who is btw also an actor.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 05/05/2022 07:54

Fleurtjeblau · 05/05/2022 07:43

This is unbelievable. There is evidence and a confession from Amber about being physically abusive towards Johnny, as well as evidence of emotional abuse - all in her own recordings. There is no evidence of Johnny being abusive towards her.

This isn't a man Vs woman thing, this is people, once again, not believing the victim.

Because he's a man. So many people are quick to disbelieve men can be victims too. There's evidence from Amber herself admitting she's assaulted him. Apparently we're just always meant to believe the female simply because she is one.

HeadNorth · 05/05/2022 08:07

A reminder that a UK court has already found that Depp abused Amber Heard 12 times, there is video footage of him being violent and there are text messages in which he threatens to burn her alive and fuck her burnt corpse.

Another reminder - Depp is a very good, award winning, actor.

LargeTigerPrawn · 05/05/2022 08:28

So did Depp trash the trailer, AH is referring to? If yes, is it that much of a leap that he was horrible and abusive to her that same night? I think AH is very articulate and he seems like such a condescending arse.

Isn't it usually the abuser who charms everyone? AH isn't charming anyone, JD is.

WrongWayApricot · 05/05/2022 08:30

People that go first in a trial are more likely to be believed though. Unconscious bias might be playing a part in how you feel about her side of the story.

I would be more surprised if she hadn't rehearsed

Midlifemusings · 05/05/2022 08:33

Johnny Depp does not have a history of charming everyone. His addiction and behavour under the influence have made headlines for decades.

I am 'old'. Never followed his film career but my perception of him if you told me his name was that he was one of the drunk / drug actors in Hollywood based on headlines and clips I saw over the years.

That doesn't mean I believe Amber - she clearly has her own demons but Johnny was never a role model.

2020in2020 · 05/05/2022 08:35

The UK court that refused to allow a lot of the evidence Depp brought and accepted Amber’s evidence?

he sent texts. The case is about proving she lied about being abused, sending disgusting texts to a third party is not abuse.

he clearly has a very fucked up way of thinking and is most probably a misogynist, but that doesn’t make him an abuser. If this case were the other way around you would not be able to bring up drug and drink addiction, because then you would be victim blaming: and all the posts after mine conveniently ignore the fact she LIED about being RAPED and LIED about donating her alimony to DV charities. I would love to hear from some of the Heard defenders how that works with their view of things. This “the right kind of victim” is absolute bollocks because it’s clear in your view that Depp is not “the right kind of victim”.

Honestly this enrages me so much. This is why men and their families do not come forward, when I have tried to discuss my fathers situation I have had people like you go “hmmm… but he probably started it” I would love them to say that to his face when he came to my house with a black eye and a broken wrist. Your double-standards sicken me and I honestly hope to god no man in your life is ever abused for you to find reasons he probably deserved it or was the perpetrator despite evidence to the contrary.

ClaireEclair · 05/05/2022 08:36

Deathraystare · 05/05/2022 07:39

Well they both loved a bit of a tipple and drugs. She has a violent temper and used to beat up her wife (she was married before apparently). I had to laugh when her lawyer showed the cover up stuff she apparently used to hide the bruises - which did not come out until two years after the alleged attack too place. She is on tape goading him and telling him not to walk away and admitted on tape to hitting him. She also spat in her assistant's face.

I think I read somewhere that the day he was banging cupboards etc was the day his mum had died. She was abusive to him so he must have had mixed emotions.

His sister always booked an extra room at hotels so he could get away and have some peace.

I believe she is just a gold digging, not at all good actress who benefitted from riding his coat tails.

When the police came, they did not notice any bruising or anything.

I had to laugh at the man who was asked did he notice if she was wearing make up - somehow if he hadn't noticed the make up, he would not notice the bruising. Weird. So the woman lawyer went through a list - did he notice if she was wearing foundation, concealer, mascara etc. The poor bloke was probably thinking what the fuck is concealer??

I will be on you tube late to catch up on what she says but I do not think I will change my mind....

Will be interested in the Manson case too.

"She has a violent temper and used to beat up her wife (she was married before apparently)". That's not what happened. They were having an argument in an airport and Amber grabbed her wife's arm. A police officer went over to see if they were okay and when they found out they were partners and not just friends Amber was arrested. Charges were dropped and her ex has always supported her and claimed the arrest was over the top.

Midlifemusings · 05/05/2022 08:36

Johnny Depp has ADHD and so doodling in court is likely related to managing that.

Thestoppedfan · 05/05/2022 08:42

This whole thing makes me so uncomfortable. I’ve watched some clips and from what I have seen they both seem terrible and being out of the toxic relationship is best for both of them. I’m on TikTok and it is so one sided it is unbelievable I haven’t seen a single positive thing about AH on there. The public have decided that she’s guilty already. It makes me thankful that British court cases aren’t live streamed. In an age where we are so aware of mental health I’m surprised at how this is being handled and I really hope they are both getting professional support that’s independent from the trial.

Trixiefirecracker · 05/05/2022 08:42

Both as bad as each other.

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