Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

[Meltinthemiddle]

Really not sure what to think tbh.

@puffalo
Abuse often is textbook though.

This is an interesting video of Johnny smashing up a kitchen

To be fair, it’s been days of endless pouting and a fake sadness, which she’s been shown multiple times to “forget she’s supposed to be looking sad”, laugh at something her lawyer has said and then immediately she’s back to looking glum. No one actually gets on like that. You don’t just switch between happy and sad in a second.

Same can be said for her incredibly strange outfit choices. The similarities every single day to the person the day before are far too bizarre to be simple coincidences. It comes across as quite manipulative to me, personally.

I don’t believe anyone is actually saying she looks physically ugly- she’s clearly a very attractive woman. But her behaviour is ugly and it rubs off on everything else.

When I'm listening intensely I doodle. When I went on a course once, the lecturer said that doodling is how many people listen and that it absolutely was acceptable to do so

They've been divorced 6 years!

Yes, but often when someone is explaining what has happened to them, it can’t be transcribed into a perfect bullet point list about the stages of abuse from beginning to end.

It’s like when you’re at a team brief in work. You can easily tell who hasn’t done any prep the week before and is just going based on memory, and who has clearly prepared a script almost and is going through things methodically. The first person’s presentation won’t be as polished as the second person’s, who will have a clear structure to their work.

Amber isn’t talking from the heart and explaining what happened to her. She is reciting a script.

I was in an abusive relationship around the same time and can remember every single detail. Date. Day of the week. It's not something you forget. I expect if she was being abused by a world famous actor then you'd remember too

As I've just said above - I was in an abusive relationship at the same time as all this and I remember dates etc. Being abused is hardly insignificant! Also, her lawyers will have got her to put together a timeline. Pinned her down on dates as best as she can remember. She will have had months of hashing through old pictures/texts or anything that might remind her of exact dates etc.

I’m in utter turmoil. We moved out of london a year ago and have been in Tunbridge wells for ten months. I hated it so much at first but have liked it increasingly lately. Dh wants to move back. We have 3 year old twins. I’m so scared I wont like it. London seems so unfriendly and impersonal to me now. I have a routine here now, some of it I love. The fresh air and countryside has really grown on me. It’s putting a strain on my marriage because I can’t make a decision. My mind is just scrambled. I just don’t know how to work it out. I’m beyond making lists. I’ve even had a few paid sessions with a mentor. I can’t make the wrong decision but how do I know what that it. It effects the rest of my and my children’s lives.

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To be fair, it’s been days of endless pouting and a fake sadness, which she’s been shown multiple times to “forget she’s supposed to be looking sad”, laugh at something her lawyer has said and then immediately she’s back to looking glum. No one actually gets on like that. You don’t just switch between happy and sad in a second.

I haven't watched her but I often switch from happy to sad in an instant when under extreme stress. Also noticed it with a couple of friends when they were going through very extreme stress. Can go from feeling like it's the end of the world to laughing to back again.

You need to start your own thread my love I hope you get sorted

I dont find it u usual that she would remember in detail the first time she was hit. I do, and it happened 13 years ago.

What I did find interesting is that I fully believed her at the start of her testimony, when she discussed how she and Johnny met and how they fell in love. It felt sincere, you could feel the emotion. But as it progressed to the relationship developing her tone and delivery changed. She began using more hand gestures and pulling more facial expressions, she didn't seem as sure of what she had or wanted to say.

I firmly believe that to some extent there was probably some mutual abuse. I lean towards Amber being the instigator. From my perspective it feels that she has changed the narrative of what happened to suit her and her needs.

She already tripped up on one false statement today, she said that on the plane it was the first and last time she had done drugs with Johnny, when minutes earlier she discussed how they had been on a trip with friends and she had been taking mushrooms and he had also done drugs. I also find it hard to believe how she insists that a number of these incidents all happened after drugs had been taken but conveniently before they had kicked in so she was not impared.

I think the cross examination will be interesting.

I also found Dr currys testimony more believable over Dr Hughes. Dr Hughes assesment felt likenit was based largely on what Amber had reported to be true. It would have been interesting if that had an independent psych evaluate them both.

@puffalo

Yes, but often when someone is explaining what has happened to them, it can’t be transcribed into a perfect bullet point list about the stages of abuse from beginning to end.

Not true. Many abuse victims could provide a list. I can remember loads of dates and significant incidents from abusive relationships.
Also all of their texts etc. have been read and dissected, so it would be easy to piece things together that way.

Come on, do better! Such a disappointing read. And tiresome to see a woman held to higher standards than her male ex. And not believed. What's so hard to believe?
Magnetic, how are you able to draw any kind of distinction between being verbally abusive while enjoying 'smashing shit up' and not being physically abusive?
It is terrifying when a partner smashes things up around you while being verbally abusive. The whole thing is abusive. You don't come back from that. There really isn't some 'line of honour' an abuser is determined not to cross when refraining from hitting you.

I kept having to turn it off as she was making me cringe so much. I have done modules in forensic psychology and body language, she has them all! Pulling lips in (to hide them) is done when lying. Her reaction when talking about the assaults are very dramatic compared to her baseline behaviour when answering questions. I could go on.

I have no doubt the Johnny depp wasn’t a saint in their marriage however I believe that amber herd was the abusive one in the relationship.

That isn’t what I’m saying.

I’m not talking about dates or timelines. It’s pretty obvious a victim of abuse will remember most of these due to their traumatic nature.

I am talking about how she phrases every progression of abuse in her testimony. She adds in extra details to “tick the box”, so to speak.

Eg she could have just said JD was incredibly generous to her, her friends and family and given a few examples. She didn’t need to spend 15 minutes repeating herself to get the “love bombing” point across. Her testimony reads like a GCSE exam paper. “PEE” - point, evidence, explanation. It doesn’t come across as genuine at all. It’s all incredibly forced and over rehearsed.

This is no doubt why rape prosecutions are woefully low; because if a woman ‘acts’ or ‘looks’ like too much, or not enough of a victim she is not believed.

A man can quite literally be a massive alcoholic drug addict and still be more believable than a woman if she is not the perfect image of a victim in every way.

Exactly. All the signs are there yet some posters on this thread are determined to say she’s innocent simply because she’s a woman.

If JD was testifying how she was right now, every single person would be on here calling him an abusive piece of shit.

They’re both awful.

Seems very scripted… and I don’t think she is distressed now as she’s trying to let on. They both have a lot to gain out of this….

Who will have the Oscar worthy performance?

@user310
Reading body language is certainly not anywhere close to being infallible.

Also people believe what they want to believe, people still look at Amanda Knox's body language and say she's guilty as sin even though she didn't do it and there was no evidence that she did and all the evidence showed another person acted alone.

Pulling lips in could mean she's lying, it could also mean she's holding back emotions or stressed etc. There isn't just one single meaning that could be taken from it.

Also, they keep bringing up that she apparently has memory loss ( adding to the argument she has ptsd) yet she can remember every minute detail and conversation.

she also has a history of being the perpetrator of domestic violence whereas JD does not.

I think it’s very obvious when she’s telling the truth, her expression and voice calm down to a neutral level. I’ve noticed that when she’s talking about the assaults she shakes her head a lot as if she were saying no but when talking about facts she very rarely shakes her head.

This will all be a monumental waste of time & money, I don’t believe the jury will agree on a verdict, even a majority one. Nothing will get resolved, both reputations will lie in tatters and their bank balances will be significantly lighter too. Only winners are the lawyers and the press.

I think AH has overplayed her hand a little but that doesn’t mean I don’t believe her. I also believe JD. Both are pretty awful people to be fair

@User310
I haven't heard what they said about memory loss, but I have complex PTSD and have a big chunk of memory loss of about 2 years with very little memories. After that my memory is perfect despite going through other abuse.......then after a significant period of relentless stress and trauma my memories got very hazy so it's possible to have memory loss for certain periods, while also remembering other things perfectly.

@Moser85

absolutely agree that body language is not an accurate way of assessing if somebody is lying but paired with what she is saying and just a general gut feeling, it can be a good way of assessing the whole picture.

there is a lot of concrete evidence supporting JD claims regarding AH being abusive (this is not to say JD was not also) so I believe it is very different to Amanda Knox’s case.