New employee is a fake, where to go from here?

[londonnotlangdon]

It's a large organisation and I just had to send off her paperwork, passport, things like that

She was given the job after her second interview last week.

However, she has emailed me these documents (fine), and her birth certificate says born in September 2002?

That makes her 19?

This is a problem because, for example, her CV says she was an Executive Assistant to a Director in 2018? When she would've been in school?!

I've asked HR, who haven't replied properly, I've asked them to call. But someone replied to my email of concern with 'so you don't want this new me ever of staff? Why not?'

What can actually be done about this?

education after GCSE level herself. She said she was very keen to enter the working environment and doesn't regret that decision
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I bet she doesn't if she's potentially on 40k at 19??!

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She's a bullshitter, op. Big time. And not that surprising that she can come across as older - some women do.

If she's willing to commite fraud when applying for a job - and that's what she's doing - what else is she capable of?

Also... 19 and no LinkedIn??? That alone is suspicious. And the reason why is that is all lies that she's telling you now.

If she lied on LinkedIn that she had worked for Coca-Cola or whoever they could potentially sue her.

Lots of women don't have Linkedin because of the constant stream of unwanted sexual messages that they get; I'm mid thirties, I don't have LinkedIn for this very reason.

This is not odd at all! Many people don’t have a passport, so use birth cert and NI as their proof of right to work

Mine too 😂

I've also missed out on two jobs as I was considered 'too young .' 🙄

I was wondering if you were in work today! For a manager to be dedicating the time and effort on this thread all day… do you need to recruit?!

@tomatoandherbs - tbh it's everyone else that's dedicating their time all day, OP has just popped in very occasionally with some useful updates!

Was her age/DOB not in her CV?

i actually did a GCSE in 2018 and i got an A* - so was still doing the old system for some GCSEs up until then (and in fact you can't do a Law GCSE now as far as i can see)

so people taking GCSE in 2018 may have got numbers and letters, depending on the subjects taken.

Three pages of updates on a work day. Practically every 20 mins from 6.30-midday!

all I was saying was that I had been wondering whether the op was working today and was surprised that a manager had been able to invest so much time on the thread on her work day

@Echosound

But if someone only has gcse or a level then they should be asked about surely? I get that you wouldn’t ask about those levels if someone had a degree but essentially you look to the highest qualification someone has in a recruitment process

In my workplace we only enquire and check qualifications if they are relevant to the role. e.g. if we are recruiting Head of Finance and require them to be a qualified accountant then we will check that out.

Otherwise no we don't check. I recently hired an exec assistant myself. Experience was important and we checked that through the interview process and references. What GCSEs or A Levels she acquired 20 years ago at school were not relevant to the role and of no interest frankly.

I have over 2,000 LinkedIn connections and never once had a sexual message. I only have one person blocked on LinkedIn. Meanwhile I have several blocks on Facebook and hundreds on Twitter. LinkedIn is the least problematic social media channel. IMO

If you ask for sight of her original GCSE certificate(s) it shold tell you the year they were taken.

Well there'll be no stopping her when she is properly job hunting

Tomato - yes you're right actually now I check OP posts!! 🍅

Well hopefully the combined forces of Mumsnet helped OP to avert an employment car crash

@tomatoandherbs

Same here - but I have the most deliberately frumpy office pic up on it that I can find (and I'm old!)

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@MajorCarolDanvers whereas I had several daily; I do think it was possibly to do with the industry / area I was associated with but it was triggering and traumatising. Facebook I pretty much started by blocking a lot of fuckers and only have a few friends and Twitter (well, twitter has just been undeleted for the first time in a while).

But if someone only has gcse or a level then they should be asked about surely? I get that you wouldn’t ask about those levels if someone had a degree but essentially you look to the highest qualification someone has in a recruitment process

sometimes it's the opposite, despite having a degree, post-grad degree, and a diploma, I had to prove I had GCSE Maths and English for a job about ten years ago! That was all they cared about.

But you don't need to work full-time to do a proper job and have plenty of experience. If you had a Saturday job plus worked in school holidays you could build up a decent amount of eg retail experience. Office experience: not so much, although when I had my Saturday job as a "customer pick n mix experience executive" at Woolworths, one of the girls I was at school with worked in the office doing accounts and admin. On a Saturday. And we were 15. Obviously Woolworths is no more, but I doubt other retailers have Saturday assistants doing accounts work at weekends anymore.

As said repeatedly upthread, no, modern best practice is to omit anything on a cv which it would be illegal for the employer to take into account.

So how is it remotely lawful for them to do drug tests? Absolute abuse of process. Sadly the ICO hasn't the resources to stop this sort of nonsense. Same goes for DBS checks for roles that really don't need them. We really need an employment regulator but we're never going to get one under this (or probably any UK) government.

Although it's usually obvious from the years someone was at school or did their exams. I assume that wasn't on the CV either (sorry if the OP has already covered this but we are on page 29 of the thread!)

Way back in time a late friend of mine aged 19 was appointed secretary to a director of a major London property company. After about 3 months the chairman unexpectedly died and her boss was promoted, so aged 19 she found herself PA to the new chairman!

You see I find the whole thing weird. As I start by asking them to talk me through their cv and ask them questions there and then eg fob missing - what is it please. When did you achieve your gcse s and then so on we talk through their jobs and roles. It wouldn’t be age discrimination if she had blatantly lied on her form and said she was a pa for a big company like age 13!