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New employee is a fake, where to go from here?

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londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 06:56

It's a large organisation and I just had to send off her paperwork, passport, things like that

She was given the job after her second interview last week.

However, she has emailed me these documents (fine), and her birth certificate says born in September 2002?

That makes her 19?

This is a problem because, for example, her CV says she was an Executive Assistant to a Director in 2018? When she would've been in school?!

I've asked HR, who haven't replied properly, I've asked them to call. But someone replied to my email of concern with 'so you don't want this new me ever of staff? Why not?'

What can actually be done about this?

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SoupDragon · 28/04/2022 08:35

DS got lettered grades in England in 2017 (born 2001) but he did iGCSEs which hadn't changed at that point.

londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 08:37

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CorsicaDreaming · 28/04/2022 08:38

What would worry me rather than her experience and whether that matches up is the fact she looks about 30 but a document says she's 19.

That's looking more like identity fraud- do you think she is working two jobs and it is some kind of tax scam?

DoubleChinWoes2 · 28/04/2022 08:39

You first say 16, then 15 then 13/14.

Stick to the facts, not hyperbole.

Withdrawing an offer is risky, but as long as you have a reasonable belief based on the evidence available she's been dishonest, it's a risk I'd advise you take (I'm an HRD). She can try to claim age discrimination, but you could defend that as long as you have been clear the withdrawal is specifically because her lying.

You don't need hard concrete proof of her lying, just 'on the balance of probabilities/it's more likely than not' she lied.

But good, eager to prove themselves people are hard to find. If you aren't sure she's definitely lied, then give her a chance and use the probation people.

Remember, there is no right to bring a claim against your employer unless you have two years service, so you can sack anyone for anything as long as you're not discriminating against them.

Paq · 28/04/2022 08:39

Is her name Anna Delvey?

EdgeOfSeventeenAndThreeQuarter · 28/04/2022 08:39

I’ve just had to show original docs to my new employer.

I was at school with my line manager 35 years ago… going for the long con. 😀

NotSorry · 28/04/2022 08:40

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DoubleChinWoes2 · 28/04/2022 08:40

...before two years has passed, I should have finished that sentence with!

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londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 08:40

CorsicaDreaming · 28/04/2022 08:38

What would worry me rather than her experience and whether that matches up is the fact she looks about 30 but a document says she's 19.

That's looking more like identity fraud- do you think she is working two jobs and it is some kind of tax scam?

She doesn't look old facially but her whole demeanour comes across as someone far older than 19, so I would never place her at 19 on that alone, or under 25 for sure!

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Beautiful3 · 28/04/2022 08:40

Can you phone her to ask her to explain?

SaintJavelin · 28/04/2022 08:41

The school does exist...

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Cuck00soup · 28/04/2022 08:41

Our of interest what did she do during lockdown?

Was her story of how she was employed during this time credible?

StorminNorma · 28/04/2022 08:41

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PuppyMonkey · 28/04/2022 08:41

londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 08:31

@steppemum no she was born in September 2002

So she should have numbered grades too?

OMG this is better than a TV a drama. Shock

CorsicaDreaming · 28/04/2022 08:42

Could she have sent you the birth certificate of her daughter by mistake? And she's actually older than she looks?

Ohquietone · 28/04/2022 08:42

The only other thing I can think of it is her family are well connected. She worked at the organisations but not in the roles that she has mentioned. But the emails she’s provided sound really suspect.

FawnFrenchieMum · 28/04/2022 08:42

HR should be checking her identity fully to ensure she has the right to work in the UK.
With regards to her experience, I am Sept born so was able to work formally from 15 in year 10 at school (had jobs from 12, lied to say I was 14 in a hairdressers, then at 14 went to work for a bakery instore), at 15 I did two weeks work experience for a company who said I could have a weekend admin job at the end of it, I did so well on the onboarding course during my work experience that they offered me a full weekend role doing the same as the other staff, by 16 I was the weekend team leader, at 17 I moved to another very well respected company again working evening & weekends along side my A-Levels. I ended up staying with that company for a very long time (almost 20 years) but had I wanted to move roles again at 19/20 my work history on a CV with no dates (to avoid ageism) wouldn't look to tie with my age.

StorminNorma · 28/04/2022 08:42

Sorry, X posted

pussycatlickinglollyices · 28/04/2022 08:43

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You said you'd seen a photo of her (insta?) with a group of school friends...were they wearing the correct uniform for the school?

ShirleyPhallus · 28/04/2022 08:43

I can’t believe you’ve put her school on here, this is so identifiable!

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londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 08:43

CorsicaDreaming · 28/04/2022 08:42

Could she have sent you the birth certificate of her daughter by mistake? And she's actually older than she looks?

Why is her insta of her then? With that name and a post in 2021 in school uniform titled memories with my girls?

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NoddingTulip · 28/04/2022 08:43

I would be asking to see her GCSE certificates the fact they are on her CV as A-C would throw me as if she is only 19 then it would be the newer system of grading. So maybe it us a typo on her birth certificate which hasn't been picked up so is also on her passport (but unlikely).
In regards to the GCSE grading systems
My 22yr old Dd (born feb 2000) was graded A-C
20 yr old DS (born sept 2001) was graded 9,8,7 ect. So I would expect someone born in 2022 to be graded on this system.

BuanoKubiamVej · 28/04/2022 08:44

I would ask her to come in for a chat. Make it clear that if she's as competent and experienced as she appears to be then she'll still have this job and you totally understand that exaggeration on a CV to get noticed is fairly normal. However, you do need total trust and honesty so this is a one-and-only chance to clarify where the exaggerations are so that you both know where you stand.

The fact that her year of birth meabs that legally she was required to be in full time education until after the date of the first jobs listed on the cv mean that you need her to clarify exactly what qualifications she took when, and which jobs were full time or part time and what real level of responsibility.

If she comes clean and gives reasonable and believable explanations then all is good - she's clealy got a lot of experience anyway and will do the job well.

If she sticks to her guns and says that there's nothing to disclose - well you can get rid of any employee in the first 2 years for any reason that's not discriminatory and not feeling you can trust her is perfectly reasonable. You don't even have to give a reason.

LuluBlakey1 · 28/04/2022 08:45

Ask to check her qualifications/exam certificates