Boris has been fined - Part 2

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Because this is going to go on and on.....
With more fines

Part 1 here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4528104-boris-has-been-fined-tory-voters-should-he-go

Anyway they are going to have to pedal very hard to find another diversion once the rest of the FPNs are revealed.

Am sure Pritster is working on it as I type.

Here is the prompt response from my MP, Dr Neil Hudson (Cons) Penrith and the Border

“Thank you for contacting me further regarding the parties held at Downing Street during lockdown and the fines issued by the Metropolitan Police to the Prime Minister and the Chancellor.

As you know from our previous correspondence, I was shocked and appalled at the reports of numerous gatherings and parties at Downing Street. For me, this is a matter of integrity and honesty at the heart of Government and we need to get clarity and closure as soon as possible.

I continue to maintain my position that I categorically will not defend the indefensible. I fully share the country’s outrage and upset about these Downing Street parties when people up and down the land were making huge personal and sometimes tragic sacrifices to do the right thing and obey the public health rules. As I have previously stated, if rules and indeed the law have been broken, then quite rightly there should be serious consequences for all those involved, no matter who they are.

The fact that the Prime Minister and Chancellor have been found in breach of the Covid rules and issued with Fixed Penalty Notices is extremely disappointing. The fact that the law makers went on to break those very laws they brought in to keep us all safe is deeply damaging for our democracy. That situation is untenable moving forward. That said, I do not believe it would be prudent or responsible to change the leadership of the Government in the midst of the international crisis that is the war in Ukraine. Destabilising the UK Government would undermine international efforts to support the Ukrainian people and bring the despicable Russian invasion to an end. I will therefore be looking to the Prime Minister to show the statesmanship he has been showing with Ukraine and outline a timetable and process for an orderly transition to a leadership election as soon as the international situation permits.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact me.

Yours sincerely,

Neil

Dr Neil Hudson MP
MP for Penrith and The Border”

Exactly!

I think some on here forget how strict it all was THEN.
It was inconceivable that anyone i knew would contemplate doing what they did.
It was the worst time, pre vaccines, heartbreaking deaths with no comfort and yet that's when they chose to have a do for his birthday. And another 7 parties
It was a culture of ignoring the rules they set because they were not applicable to THEM.
The rest of the country tried their best, tried to do the right thing for the good of others but this lot were excused from that because their boss didn't care.
Then lied
Then lied some more
Then only got caught out because outside groups applied pressure.
All these awful rule breakers thought they'd get away with it and were exempt. They did not care. Every one of those with a FPN should be sacked

@Gjd60

Here is the prompt response from my MP, Dr Neil Hudson (Cons) Penrith and the Border

“Thank you for contacting me further regarding the parties held at Downing Street during lockdown and the fines issued by the Metropolitan Police to the Prime Minister and the Chancellor.

As you know from our previous correspondence, I was shocked and appalled at the reports of numerous gatherings and parties at Downing Street. For me, this is a matter of integrity and honesty at the heart of Government and we need to get clarity and closure as soon as possible.

I continue to maintain my position that I categorically will not defend the indefensible. I fully share the country’s outrage and upset about these Downing Street parties when people up and down the land were making huge personal and sometimes tragic sacrifices to do the right thing and obey the public health rules. As I have previously stated, if rules and indeed the law have been broken, then quite rightly there should be serious consequences for all those involved, no matter who they are.

The fact that the Prime Minister and Chancellor have been found in breach of the Covid rules and issued with Fixed Penalty Notices is extremely disappointing. The fact that the law makers went on to break those very laws they brought in to keep us all safe is deeply damaging for our democracy. That situation is untenable moving forward. That said, I do not believe it would be prudent or responsible to change the leadership of the Government in the midst of the international crisis that is the war in Ukraine. Destabilising the UK Government would undermine international efforts to support the Ukrainian people and bring the despicable Russian invasion to an end. I will therefore be looking to the Prime Minister to show the statesmanship he has been showing with Ukraine and outline a timetable and process for an orderly transition to a leadership election as soon as the international situation permits.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact me.

Yours sincerely,

Neil

Dr Neil Hudson MP
MP for Penrith and The Border”

Statesmanship and Boris in the same sentence? Sorry, all sounds like waffle to me.

That said, I do not believe it would be prudent or responsible to change the leadership of the Government in the midst of the international crisis that is the war in Ukraine. Destabilising the UK Government would undermine international efforts to support the Ukrainian people and bring the despicable Russian invasion to an end. I will therefore be looking to the Prime Minister to show the statesmanship he has been showing with Ukraine and outline a timetable and process for an orderly transition to a leadership election as soon as the international situation permits.

The trouble with saying Johnson should stay in place till Ukraine is sorted is that it incentivises him to do whatever he can to perpetuate the crisis .

@Gjd60, any chance of pointing out to Hudson that no-one suggests that an entire General Election in France is undermining the situation, and that we managed to cope with a change of PM with a foreign power actually on British territory and a few hundred miles away from wholesale invasion? Is he really saying there is no-one in the Conservative party who (a) has principles and (b) is capable of supporting Ukraine constructively?

The war in Ukraine might last for years - I assume they are not suggesting we delay the next general election because of it?

Ben Wallace is doing an excellent job (one of the few ministers who I will credit with having a good grasp of their brief) and could, I imagine, be trusted to continue getting on with his job.

But Neil Hudson appears to have a decent majority and isn't pretending that Johnson's activities are acceptable (no ridiculous 9 min cake rubbish) so I won't write him off.

By election coming up soon in Wakefield - a Red Wall constituency.

Will be an interesting test of Johnson's popularity

@Saucery

The Refugee Minister wasn’t involved in planning for……refugee issues. How bizarre!

No more bizarre than the idea that was being put around a few months ago that the Prime Minister is responsible for the pot plants and light entertainments in No 10 and nothing else.

What an appalling comment. How on earth can you liken this to the holocaust. Jesus.

Because as any student of the history of Nazi Germany will know was that it didn't start with genocide. It started with othering Jews, gypsies, trade unionists, disabled people and homosexuals and gradually progressed. People went along with it - they were quite happy to see this happening - they didn't like the Jews, Communists and trade unionists were a nuisance, and gypsies even now are more often reviled than not. Then it went too far, and murder became the order of the day, but by this time, too many people were afraid to speak out. And also, too many people turned a blind eye, and conveniently rewrote their personal histories after the war.

Rory Stewart on the government's plan to offshore asylum seekers to Rwanda.

"This is a distraction.... as it's been designed to land on the front page of newspapers to distract people from Boris Johnson's troubles"

Trust Rory to get it right. Imagine if he’d been PM for the last two years.

@DuncinToffee

Rory Stewart on the government's plan to offshore asylum seekers to Rwanda.

"This is a distraction.... as it's been designed to land on the front page of newspapers to distract people from Boris Johnson's troubles"

More fines coming

How much more distraction will there be?

Hello all! Thanks for the new thread. See that the usual suspects are still banging the support drum for Boris. Wonder how many threads it will take for the drumming to stop?

The original thread asked for Tory supporters opinions.

@Blossomtoes

Whether you call it a party, a gathering or something else, it was illegal hence the FPNs. Shall we just stick with illegal gathering?

And Johnson has accepted that he broke the law so I don't know why people are refusing to accept it. The Met say he broke the law, he admits he broke the law. I think it is pretty clear he broke the law.

'And Johnson has accepted that he broke the law so I don't know why people are refusing to accept it. '

Because context counts. We can agree a jobsworth in the Met issued an fpn but if other police forces didn't issue fpns for exactly the same situation it makes it all meaningless and absolutely reduces the impact when we know this situation was a non event.

If there was a flat party they should really stop wasting everyone's time and focus on that.

@Blossomtoes

Trust Rory to get it right. Imagine if he’d been PM for the last two years.

Yeah just what we need another Tory in power to sort out the last decade of Tory failures

Consistently voted against restrictions on fees charged to tenants by letting agents

Generally voted for restricting the scope of legal aid

Generally voted for a statutory register of lobbyists

Generally voted against measures to prevent climate change

Generally voted against transferring more powers to the Scottish Parliament

Generally voted against a more proportional system for electing MPs

Almost always voted against transferring more powers to the Senedd/Welsh Parliament

Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits

Almost always voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability

Generally voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax")

Consistently voted for mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities

Consistently voted for a stricter asylum system

Consistently voted for stronger enforcement of immigration rules

There was plenty more to prove that hes like every other Tory, right wing xenophobic authoritarian, Tories gona Tory

I included a positive accidently there, I also agree to a register of lobbyists

@JaniieJones

'And Johnson has accepted that he broke the law so I don't know why people are refusing to accept it. '

Because context counts. We can agree a jobsworth in the Met issued an fpn but if other police forces didn't issue fpns for exactly the same situation it makes it all meaningless and absolutely reduces the impact when we know this situation was a non event.

If there was a flat party they should really stop wasting everyone's time and focus on that.

I am still at a loss to understand why a 56 year old man would think it was acceptable to have a birthday party whilst denying that opportunity to millions of children. Is it your view @JaniieJones that is was necessary for Boris to have a party otherwise he would have had a strop and not got on with any work?

@HandlebarLadyTash

Boris is a wanker & should be fired

Great analysis of boris, bravo

"If there was a flat party they should really stop wasting everyone's time and focus on that."

I wondered about this. Are they doing it by date?
Or was the teeny weeny canapé party for 30 staff (and non staff) deliberately chosen as a forerunner? Give Johnson a chance to minimise breaking his own legislation (barely had time to sniff the cake etc).

@Fulmine

The problem is that Johnson's credibility on all issues to do with the pandemic and law and order generally is now shot. If we had a new and more deadly variant tomorrow that mean we had to introduce new restrictions, who is going to obey them knowing that the Prime Minister won't? He's never going to be able to talk about law and order issues without someone pointing out that he's a repeat offender.

Even if we had a great leader, are we sure that the majority would listen anyway ?

Sorry if this has been posted already

Generally voted against transferring more powers to the Scottish Parliament He certainly got that right

@Notonthestairs

Yes they're doing it chronologically.

More to come. Much more

"More to come. Much more"

This makes me dread the next headline diversion tactics.

None of this would have been necessary if Johnson had either been able to a) follow his own legislation or b) had addressed allegations quickly & thoroughly in November. Nobody focuses on the DofE party because they moved quickly and didn't misrepresent or mislead (although still shouldn't have happened.)

Instead we'll have round after round of smears and impractical inhumane populist policies dragging everyone in to the gutter.