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Boris has been fined - Part 2

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cakeorwine · 13/04/2022 21:00

Because this is going to go on and on.....
With more fines

Part 1 here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4528104-boris-has-been-fined-tory-voters-should-he-go

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SueSaid · 19/04/2022 10:36

Well that's a bit rude cornetto. Everyone on these threads repeats themselves. I get tagged by the same people asking me the same questions daily, how long does it have to be a party etc etc etc.

I could ignore obviously but it is a chat/debate forum not an echo chamber.

Are you suggesting I can only repeat myself like everyone else if I'm anti Johnson?

Blossomtoes · 19/04/2022 10:39

@JaniieJones

Well that's a bit rude cornetto. Everyone on these threads repeats themselves. I get tagged by the same people asking me the same questions daily, how long does it have to be a party etc etc etc.

I could ignore obviously but it is a chat/debate forum not an echo chamber.

Are you suggesting I can only repeat myself like everyone else if I'm anti Johnson?

Has it not occurred to you that the reason we all keep repeating ourselves is because we respond to your repetition? Obviously we should ignore you.
Cornettoninja · 19/04/2022 10:44

No, I’m suggesting that there seems to be no evolution of your points. You ignore those who take the time to counter your points or ask further questions only to post a variation of the same later on.

Tbh, if you choose to only sporadically engage despite posting prolifically is it really surprising that the question of what it is you’re trying to accomplish is asked? This isn’t an echo chamber, but neither is it a personal platform for preaching.

DuncinToffee · 19/04/2022 10:56

I think we can assume that Janiie doesn't mind a liar and law breaker as PM.

Notonthestairs · 19/04/2022 12:01

"Yet his allies are currently sticking to variations of it, a defence which basically amounts to, “Hey – that birthday party was the least criminal thing he did!” By the time we get to the fallout over who did or didn’t pour the first vat of wine at Caino’s leaving do, Johnson will be forced into some truly batshit contortions."

https://twitter.com/marinahyde/status/1516365508857192448?s=21&t=ZYB9FCWiI223RFU2tm1vDQ

^^ worth a read. She's managed to sum up the preposterous arguments wheeled out by ministers to cover up for Johnson. I assume they are not all as daft as Fabricant or Dorries so they must know on some level that he's dragging them all down to his level.

The only thing I think Janii and I agree on is that the process does seem incredibly drawn out - but I don't know whether that's by deliberate design or simply a case that the Met is working very hard to cover all its bases.

Blossomtoes · 19/04/2022 12:08

Thanks @Notonthestairs. Marina excellent as always. Needless to say, JJ detests her.

Roussette · 19/04/2022 12:39

To be fair to Janiie (yes I can be!) she has said that if he hosted a party, had a drinks thing up in his flat... if there's any more than 10 minutes of cake, she will categorically agree with us all.
Won't be long and we'll all be in agreement !

I agree it is drawn out. I imagine they have engineered it that it's all released after 5th May

Peregrina · 19/04/2022 12:42

"Yet his allies are currently sticking to variations of it,

Remember how not so many months ago they tried to defend Paterson's 'egregious behaviour', and instead of letting him take his 30 day punishment, ended up seeing him resign and them losing a seat which had been safely Tory for at least a century. In short their foolish behaviour made them even bigger fools.

littledrummergirl · 19/04/2022 12:47

Just watching the politics show. Ben Wallace has just thrown away his credibility, not just over lying to parliament (he thinks this is ok), but also over the asylum situation.
His concern over that is that human rights lawyers will get involved backed by Keir Starmer.
Omg, how stupid do you have to be for this to be your concern? If it's perfectly reasonable then welcome challenges as you would win them easily. If there is any doubt then don't fucking do it.

Blossomtoes · 19/04/2022 12:49

It’s getting absurd now. The government’s self immolating. It’s like watching a political drama.

Peregrina · 19/04/2022 12:57

His concern over that is that human rights lawyers will get involved backed by Keir Starmer.

It so saddens me that in the immediate post war years British lawyers led the way on establishing human rights, in response to the horrors they had recently seen. But with one or two exceptions, the current Government are a bunch of lying money grubbing cheats who totally debase the standards of this country.

ilovesooty · 19/04/2022 13:00

@DuncinToffee

Brandon Lewis said that Tony Blair got a parking ticket once
Allegedly Johnson has had hundreds of parking tickets he's never paid.
jgw1 · 19/04/2022 13:08

[quote Cornettoninja]**@JaniieJones do you not get tired of repeating yourself? Genuine question.

Are you posting to actually have a conversation? To change peoples minds? Play devils advocate? At what point, no matter how right you feel you are, do you accept that you’ve said all you have to say on the matter or is there some value in repeating the same thing over and over again that I’m completely missing?

Your points have been debated (at length across numerous threads) yet you persist in making the same ones again and again. Are you waiting to ‘win’ by just tiring people out?

I just don’t see what you’re getting out of your contributions at this point? I think you’re enjoying the attention tbh.[/quote]
I have come to the conclusion that @JaniieJones and MIchel Fabricat are in the business of promoting the Labour party. I can't see why else they would so regularly bring to our attention the failings of the PM.

Cornettoninja · 19/04/2022 13:21

I can only presume that those who think this doesn’t matter and blown out of proportion didn’t think the rules mattered in the first place, despite them having the backing of law and widespread public campaign. I would include Johnson in that.

Problem with that is, there is a widespread belief in this country that laws do matter and when these are part of a framework of tackling a crisis, even those who may disagree will still, largely, obey these laws at a personal cost.

So that leaves us with people who agreed and obeyed feeling like the law is being treated as a joke not applicable to everyone, those who disagreed and obeyed but perhaps not 100% feeling like their actions were turned into criminality when it appears that our leadership were exempt for some inexplicable reason, and those who think the whole thing was always ridiculous and the evidence at the time was insufficient for them personally to abide by at the time and continues to be a irritant unworthy of any respect despite how many others lean (will of the people be damned).

To ignore public opinion and dismiss it as hysteria and pathetic is betraying an inclination to believe that the individual/individuals are superior in some way. Despite the fact that the Houses of Parliament are servants of the public.

Alexandra2001 · 19/04/2022 13:22

However at the moment we have fpns for very tenuous reasons. Durham police think beers and a buffet at work were allowed, the Met don't

Sunak got a fpn for walking into the cabinet office! It makes a mockery of the whole system tbh and that is why people struggle to take the fines seriously

Different rules applied at different times of the pandemic & considering that around 3/4 of the population associate the name Johnson with Liar, it looks like people do take 50 plus fines in No10 seriously.

You may try and make out this was a one in an otherwise exemplary Govt LD record but it wasn't at all.

Surprising as Bojo was apparently very ill from CV, you'd think after being on ICU and "fighting for his life" on the brink of death, he might have been more careful, then again, looks like he lied about all of that too.

Alexandra2001 · 19/04/2022 13:27

His concern over that is that human rights lawyers will get involved backed by Keir Starmer

Human Rights lawyers are only operating within the law and its the courts system that decides either way, having listened to HR lawyers and the Governments own ones.

Now we either want an independent judiciary or we don't, which judging by BJ's record, he does not.

Starmers support or not makes no difference.

duckie83 · 19/04/2022 13:35

Does anyone know when we can expect the next PCNs? I'm fed up with the Met's slow drip feed of these fines. HURRY UP FFS!!! We need Sue Gray's report! It's as if the Met are handing Boris all the time he needs to fiddle his way out if it.

Surely he won't be able to rabbit on about how "it was work" once the ABBA details come to light?

Roussette · 19/04/2022 13:36

I'll put my money on the week after 5th May local elections

DuncinToffee · 19/04/2022 13:53

Steven Swinford
Boris Johnson will face a vote on whether to refer claims he mislead the Commons over partygate to the privileges committee

Labour’s amendment is likely to be accepted by the Speaker

Means vote will be held on Thursday

How many Tory MPs will back PM?

mmmmmmghturep · 19/04/2022 14:23

Just seen a clip of Kay Burley interviewing Brandon Lewis who likeend what Boris has done to Tony Blair once getting a parking fine

jgw1 · 19/04/2022 14:27

@Roussette

I'll put my money on the week after 5th May local elections
Gray's report will not be before the local elections as the civil service are in purdah.
Blossomtoes · 19/04/2022 14:40

Central government doesn’t go into purdah for local elections.

NETSRIK · 19/04/2022 14:43

A lady called Jane called a radio show yesterday to defend Boris and I immediately thought of a certain mumsnet poster. Best thing was she got cut off in the end as was talking rubbish.

Blossomtoes · 19/04/2022 14:47

@NETSRIK

A lady called Jane called a radio show yesterday to defend Boris and I immediately thought of a certain mumsnet poster. Best thing was she got cut off in the end as was talking rubbish.
I heard one of those on Saturday on Any Answers. She made herself look very foolish, she though Allegra Stratton was sacked for being at a Christmas party. She was lost for words when it was pointed out she’d been forced to resign just for wargaming a response to defend a party she didn’t even attend.
Roussette · 19/04/2022 14:54

twitter.com/LBC/status/1516400786456068104

Here's one. Total and utter delusion. Just like on here... this caller is fixated on the word 'party' because you have to be invited to a party and 'it's not a party'. Whilst totally ignoring the breaking of lockdown laws.
This is what we're up against in this country.... very worrying. The caller just bangs on about the word 'party' and just does not listen to anything.

Disclaimer - do not listen to this if you have blood pressure problems!