Page 11 | Boris has been fined - Part 2

cakeorwine · 2022-04-13T20:00:49+00:00

Because this is going to go on and on..... With more fines Part 1 here [[https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4528104-boris-has-been-fined-tory-voters-should-he-go]]

NETSRIK · 15/04/2022 10:50

I didn't report any of my neighbours. They did nothing to report so you can wonder no more.

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cakeorwine · 15/04/2022 10:53

@JaniieJones

An illegal gathering. At work

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I wonder if some on here were the ones always on the phone reporting neighbours..

I wonder if Priti Patel dobbed them in?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/15/rule-of-six-priti-patels-neighbours-unimpressed-about-her-shopping-lawbreakers

The home secretary stirred the debate some more on Tuesday when she told broadcasters she would have little compunction in calling in the authorities if she caught anyone flouting the rules.

Asked if she would call them out, Patel told Sky News: “I’m rarely at home but if I saw something that I thought was inappropriate then, quite frankly, I would call the police.”

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itsgettingweird · 15/04/2022 10:54

@Roussette

Can we stop calling it a party and call it the illegal gathering it actually was? Then we’ve dealt with one issue some people appear to be obsessed with

Good move Blossom
I concur

Add my agreement to this too.

Blossomtoes · 15/04/2022 10:54

[quote CakeAmbushAlert]@JaniieJones so the police have found it to be such and the civil service found it to be such but you don’t agree with their findings?[/quote]
And the PM’s admitted it and paid the fine. Yet he’s still innocent? Insanity.

duvetdrama · 15/04/2022 10:55

There comes a point when the details of was it a party/a gathering/a work do matter less. For me, the bottom line is that the PM of the country told us to stay at home and not mix with others outwith their household etc etc. A gathering of any kind is not in line with the example that he/they should have set. There was a long period in 2020 where we couldn't go to other people's homes...kids might have been together at school but weren't permitted to have a birthday party together and we stuck to that. How anyone can say what went on isn't wrong is absolutely beyond me, it really is.

Fulmine · 15/04/2022 10:55

However if Johnson had been spending time with terminally ill family or attending large funerals when no one else could I could understand the comparison. He didn't.

He was telling children they couldn't have birthday parties whilst he was having his little birthday do.

Peregrina · 15/04/2022 10:56

JaniieJones so the police have found it to be such and the civil service found it to be such but you don’t agree with their findings?

Since you obviously find it a miscarriage of justice, maybe you should volunteer to pay his fine for him? I am sure he would be pleased to accept, he is always strapped for cash.

Notonthestairs · 15/04/2022 10:57

I am now at the point where I feel amused by the "it was just 9 minutes and a beer before a meeting" silliness.

Although the scrabbling around for excuses reminds me of teenagers after a party. Sorry, I mean "gathering".

Everyone was doing it!
The law was so hard!
I only invited a few people!
Its no more than a parking fine!
Rishi/Carrie/Lulu Lytle made me do it!
Nobody actually reads the Ministerial Code!

They don't believe the excuses any more than we do.

We all know what is coming.
More FPNs.
Sue Gray.
Local elections.

SueSaid · 15/04/2022 10:59

@Benjispruce4

For some he can do no wrong, such low standards.

He can! and if he socialised outside work that is wrong.

The point, again, is these workplace fpns look silly and detract from any rule breaks that involve socialising.

By the time we get to those there'll be fpn fatigue and I think the impact will be less. That is all.

And yew to a pp I do disagree with the Met's decisions obviously, that is allowed. Do we always blindly support everything they do?!

Fulmine · 15/04/2022 11:00

@JaniieJones

An illegal gathering. At work

.

I wonder if some on here were the ones always on the phone reporting neighbours..

Johnson's paid the fine, he agrees it was an illegal gathering. Is he lying about that, then, @JaniieJones?

SueSaid · 15/04/2022 11:02

'Local elections'

Yes obviously, the electorate will decide. However don't be surprised if more people are interested in deterring gangs from perilous people trafficking rather than who said happy birthday and when.

Blossomtoes · 15/04/2022 11:02

I do disagree with the Met's decisions

But Johnson doesn’t or he’d have appealed it.

Fulmine · 15/04/2022 11:05

@JaniieJones

An illegal gathering. At work

.

I wonder if some on here were the ones always on the phone reporting neighbours..

I think I see the way this is going once the next fine is issued to Johnson. His supporters will no longer be able to use the "9 minutes, he wasn't expecting it" excuse so will move on to try to suggest that you couldn't possibly have an illegal gathering if you were at work.

Except, of course, you could. Workplaces all over the country which needed people in the workplace were shutting staff rooms and canteens so people could only mix with others from their own department, they forbade leaving dos, birthday gatherings, garden parties, Abba parties etc. Except, apparently, at no. 10.

Fulmine · 15/04/2022 11:07

He can! and if he socialised outside work that is wrong

Socialising inside work for anything other than essential work purposes was wrong. The rules make that clear. So let's put an end to that myth, shall we, @JaniieJones?

Roussette · 15/04/2022 11:09

By the time we get to those there'll be fpn fatigue and I think the impact will be less. That is all.

You wish!

I doubt that very much. The feeling was it would be forgotten with Ukraine and cost of living, NI hikes, fuel prices etc
But No. People are even more angry now than before I think.
And I imagine that will increase with every fpn BJ receives. Apparently another possible 4

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cakeorwine · 15/04/2022 11:09

@JaniieJones

'Local elections'

Yes obviously, the electorate will decide. However don't be surprised if more people are interested in deterring gangs from perilous people trafficking rather than who said happy birthday and when.

I think Middle England will be very upset about what has happened. And the cover up.

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Benjispruce4 · 15/04/2022 11:09

Our staff room at school was put of bounds , we had to eat in our classrooms at least 2m apart and bring own drinks bottles and mugs etc. People forget just how stringent these rules were and want to move on and sweep everything under the now bulging carpet. He is in the top position and must be squeaky clean. He has to go as we can’t trust him. Simple as that. He lies, he cheats, he’s broken the law. Just embarrassing to cling on. He should do himself and everyone else a favour and resign.

Fulmine · 15/04/2022 11:10

@JaniieJones

'Local elections'

Yes obviously, the electorate will decide. However don't be surprised if more people are interested in deterring gangs from perilous people trafficking rather than who said happy birthday and when.

Translates as:

"Let's hope that our ludicrous Rwanda bollocks will con enough racists to save our faces at the local elections.

And then we'll think up some good lies to cover the fact that we have done fuck all to help trafficking victims."

lightisnotwhite · 15/04/2022 11:11

@Fulmine

However if Johnson had been spending time with terminally ill family or attending large funerals when no one else could I could understand the comparison. He didn't.

He was telling children they couldn't have birthday parties whilst he was having his little birthday do.

I had a birthday “party” with the two children I had face to face teaching with and another member of staff. We had cake (but no wine). Is that an illegal gathering?

If Boris had invited friends outside of daily contact I’d get the angst. Not sure how involved the interior decorator was day to day but that’s the only person who wasn’t at work ( or maybe was).

Roussette · 15/04/2022 11:12

However don't be surprised if more people are interested in deterring gangs from perilous people trafficking rather than who said happy birthday and when

Yeah the government have taken over the trafficking mantle and sending them off to Rwanda

There is no comparison with the anger shown at the PM lying with trafficking gangs

Cornettoninja · 15/04/2022 11:14

@JaniieJones

'Honestly, they’re just a complete shower and it’s embarrassing that it’s had to come to pressure to get the police involved'

His (brief) birthday party greeting at work was reported in the papers in 2020. There was an article on it, in the Times! No one cared then.

If the police didn't think there was a problem then why do they now?

That is why these fpns aren't worth the paper they are written on.

Are you able to link these original 2020 reports? I’m interested to see how they were presented and commentary at the time.

Blossomtoes · 15/04/2022 11:16

We’re not too troubled with trafficking gangs round here and people are furious. Bring on 5 May.

itsgettingweird · 15/04/2022 11:18

I think there is a big risk many won't see the issue with this.

But I think those are the people who were happily furloughed at home in glorious weather and having BBQs etc.

It isn't IME those like me who worked the whole way through, couldn't mix inside work (except with staff in the class and only in the classroom) and then came home each day to be only allowed at home (alone) until I went to work the following day.

Those of us often also struggled to get decent food for those first few weeks when those at home were stocking up during the day.

My life for months literally consisted of working, caring for disabled ds and shopping for my parents who were both shielding on chemo.

I'd have loved 9 minutes in the staff room with colleagues eating cake - but we weren't allowed because it was illegal

CakeAmbushAlert · 15/04/2022 11:25

@lightisnotwhite had a birthday “party” with the two children I had face to face teaching with and another member of staff. We had cake (but no wine). Is that an illegal gathering?

If Boris had invited friends outside of daily contact I’d get the angst. Not sure how involved the interior decorator was day to day but that’s the only person who wasn’t at work ( or maybe was).

You are forgetting Carrie Johnson was there too, she wasn’t at work. I presume in your example above your partner didn’t join you & the caretaker didn’t come in as against the law then

NETSRIK · 15/04/2022 11:27

I think it is becoming very clear that it is only those who have no thought for what others went through who have this cavalier attitude to what Boris did as being OK and nothing to be concerned about. They only see things through a very very narrow minded perspective.