Money saving expert thinks civil unrest is coming

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There was a thread on mumsnet recently about civil unrest, views seemed to be it wouldn’t happen, the British don’t protest

Martin Lewis thinks hungry cold people will protest

I think he could be correct, what have people unable to afford heat and food got to lose?

@colosmbo

I saw this but it's not really the English way.

Yes you are right until we are pushed too far. Remember the poll tax riots. Even the elderly were getting involved.

Great thing about poor, hungry, cold people from a Govt. point of view: they don’t have the energy or means to protest, they’re too hard stretched trying to keep their young ones alive.

Intrigued what will push people over the edge to be honest.

It'll be something local in one small area of the country, a housing estate somewhere, and it'll trigger a kick off that'll then spill over into more and more areas. Something like the police being heavy-handed with an arrest or killing someone, a child dying of starvation, a jobcentre removing someone from the premises for something unfair and everyone else in the queue taking that person's side, someone being forcibly evicted and a crowd turning up in support - all it takes is a spark. I remember riots in the city near here in 1991 or 1992, in one of the housing estates two young joyriders were killed during a police chase and it triggered off riots, they then spilled over into other housing estates in the area. John Major was PM at the time and delayed sending in the police to break it up, when he did send them they were pelted with bricks and a barricade was built to keep them out of the estate. The end result after it was all over was over £60 million being allocated for regeneration.

@LunaTheCat

I am in NZ and we are all horrified that the worlds wealthy have property here - it should never have been allowed to happen.

Apparently it's not a thing though according to some posters!

@desiringonlychild2022

I actually felt really worried today when I saw the food bank box at our local Waitrose was completely empty except for a single tin. My DH says it's because shoppers wouldn't buy waitrose items for food banks as it isn't cost efficient, I am not so sure. Cos surely Waitrose shoppers are more likely to be able to afford to be charitable even if it costs a little more and the basic items at Waitrose are not terribly expensive either compared to other supermarkets. I remember pre inflation the food bank box at Tesco and Sainsbury was always stuffed full of food. I am not sure about now as I generally go to either Lidl or Waitrose now (and the Lidl I go to don't have a Waitrose box).

There’s still a massive amount of wastage from supermarkets and they have signed up to schemes to redeploy non sellable food.

So although people aren’t donating supermarkets are. My town has a Free Shop that takes the old fruit veg and bread and anyone can help themselves.
In the summer those with gluts of certain things can take them and one of the local pubs makes veggie out of it for people to take too. Kills two birds with one stone; reduces waste and redistributes food to those that need it.

Woodhull

Yes, I love Thomas Hardy..and all the serialised novels, of the era. A pair of Blue Eyes, or whatever, by Hardy, has this suitor literally hanging off the cliff ( after going to get his hat) and this is where cliff hanger comes from.

I think the NHS will be a casualty. Already, you aren't "allowed" to go to the GP...imagine when hordes of people want to hang out in A and E to keep warm. They will find away to do it online...or de-NHS it.
The thing is wood burning fires do keep you warm. We didn't have central heating fifty years ago, but we often had open hearths. Once the fire got underway, that room was hot. There is going to be big bonfire building in gardens and on heath's, with people gathering round.

That's not what Martin Lewis said. Earlier this evening he took to Twitter because he felt he had to explain himself - AGAIN - because a small minority of bond idle people can't be bothered to read properly.

people die from both those things all the time it just doesnt make the news, austerity and benefits sanctions has killed more people in this country then covid.

@VelvetChairGirl do you have a source for this?

Cold, hungry people don't have the energy to protest. They are too busy trying to keep warm and saving their energy.

British protestors tend towards being middle class and tone deaf. We have protestors at the moment about home insulation and using oil for fuel, which is ironic given that they are a luxury many will never see. What we need is protests about wage stagnation, rising taxes and the ever diminishing services that local authorities and the NHS no longer provide despite the rising taxes.

@cakeorwine

What is the head of the Church of England saying, or doing to help anybody

I think churches have always done their bit when it comes to supporting the poor.

Justin Welby was on Question Time last week. Not sure what he said though.

🤣🤣🤣

You don't know much about the history of the church if you think they gave more than they received.

How do you think all of those monks and nuns were maintained? How do you think those huge churches were built?

@colosmbo

I saw this but it's not really the English way.

Maybe but what about the Scottish, N Irish and Welsh way or did you forgot about the other countries forced into the decisions made by Westminster?

@IamTheEvilPea

people die from both those things all the time it just doesnt make the news, austerity and benefits sanctions has killed more people in this country then covid.

@VelvetChairGirl do you have a source for this?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/01/perfect-storm-austerity-behind-130000-deaths-uk-ippr-report

giggly Maybe but what about the Scottish, N Irish and Welsh way or did you forgot about the other countries forced into the decisions made by Westminster?

Forced? Scotland has one of the very very few unicameral parliaments in the developed world which means there is no independent check of its legislation due to a poorly and hastily drafted devolution settlement. So the Scottish population has had to suffer years of poor decision making based on the whims of the increasingly left wing and completely impractical MSPs. At least Westminster is bicameral.

I'd still rather have Scottish poor decision making than Westminster's, thanks very much.

I left good old Blighty for France a couple of years ago (I'm half-french, had the passport and had had enough of the cost of living).
Here, things have gone up a bit food-wise, but my energy bill remains around £600 per year, there's no Council Tax and house prices are about half what they are in the UK.

@colosmbo

I saw this but it's not really the English way.

Erm, I'm not entirely sure you're correct about that 🙄 it's been done before you know!

Has anyone mentioned the Peasants’ Revolt of 1913?

It happened in the 80s and even sooner than that so I would certainly expect riots. This government couldn't care less about the vulnerable.

Yes, and tens of thousands are estimated to die yearly in the uk due to cold and damp housing.

@Squiff70

That's not what Martin Lewis said. Earlier this evening he took to Twitter because he felt he had to explain himself - AGAIN - because a small minority of bond idle people can't be bothered to read properly.

Please enlighten us.

So true

MondaysChild7

It happened in the 80s and even sooner than that so I would certainly expect riots. This government couldn't care less about the vulnerable.“

Did it? I was born in 1963, grew up in London and apart from the poll tax riots (which in the grand scheme weren’t huge) can’t recall much else?

For anyone who hasn't yet worked out how the internet works.

@SucculentChalice

giggly Maybe but what about the Scottish, N Irish and Welsh way or did you forgot about the other countries forced into the decisions made by Westminster?

Forced? Scotland has one of the very very few unicameral parliaments in the developed world which means there is no independent check of its legislation due to a poorly and hastily drafted devolution settlement. So the Scottish population has had to suffer years of poor decision making based on the whims of the increasingly left wing and completely impractical MSPs. At least Westminster is bicameral.

Yes forced, I do not want to be ruled by Westminster thanks. I’m happy with the way Scotland is run, some things I’m a bit ? about but very much as @ssd has said. Let’s keep the thread in track, but I’ll assume that most English MN will have much of an idea about the PollTax marches as let’s face it, it didn’t effect them

@colosmbo

If a young female photogenic middle class working person starves to death, maybe that'd get some traction.

It will likely be her fault because she's from the entitled generation & has a mobile phone.

Literally saw comments on the DM about how the internet & mobiles = wasting money 😔

Posted on the internet, most likely from people's mobile phones. Cognitive dissonance much?