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Money saving expert thinks civil unrest is coming

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ivykaty44 · 10/04/2022 19:13

There was a thread on mumsnet recently about civil unrest, views seemed to be it wouldn’t happen, the British don’t protest

Martin Lewis thinks hungry cold people will protest

I think he could be correct, what have people unable to afford heat and food got to lose?

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DesidaCrick · 10/04/2022 22:05

@langdale2016

We need riots to stop this corrupt government stealing even more of our money to line their own pockets. Don your yellow jackets and be prepared to make a stand against the cost of living crisis created by this wretched government.
Yes, and mass non payment of energy bills. Strikes.
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ivykaty44 · 10/04/2022 22:05

Labour don't seem to be speaking about their policies though

they aren't the government and an election hasn't been called, presently the tory party are in power

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Palloom · 10/04/2022 22:07

@Wrongkindofovercoat

I do think people are going to start thinking along the lines of ' why would Sunaks wife agree to pay millions in taxes to keep him in a 150k job ?'
Excellent point. I wonder why too.

Join the dots I suppose.

LivingOnAnIsland · 10/04/2022 22:07

Nope, no riots as the vast majority of the population aren't stupid enough to believe the bollocks that people write on Mumsnet.

lightand · 10/04/2022 22:07

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

What I don’t get is this.

The Tories are the ‘party for the economy’

But how much consumer spending is going to happen in this climate? Very little.

So luxury things like hairdressers, nail bars etc will be the first to hit the wall. Then or maybe first the tourist and hospitality industry.

Interiors, clothes, white goods are going to be replaced much less frequently.

Why can’t the ‘party of the economy’ see this?

There are many people, not this forum, who think there is a bigger agenda afoot.

That the problem is not that it cant be seen, far from it. That it can be seen, and is all part of a much bigger thing.

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ivykaty44 · 10/04/2022 22:08

Why can’t the ‘party of the economy’ see this?

because they think they'll be enough "rich" peeps to keep it going, but its been shown that the economy doesn't work like that and the more people spending, even if they are spending less - the better the economy fairs

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desiringonlychild2022 · 10/04/2022 22:08

I actually felt really worried today when I saw the food bank box at our local Waitrose was completely empty except for a single tin. My DH says it's because shoppers wouldn't buy waitrose items for food banks as it isn't cost efficient, I am not so sure. Cos surely Waitrose shoppers are more likely to be able to afford to be charitable even if it costs a little more and the basic items at Waitrose are not terribly expensive either compared to other supermarkets. I remember pre inflation the food bank box at Tesco and Sainsbury was always stuffed full of food. I am not sure about now as I generally go to either Lidl or Waitrose now (and the Lidl I go to don't have a Waitrose box).

woodhill · 10/04/2022 22:09

I know that Ivy but it would be helpful to know what they intend to do to make it any better. I remember Blair and Gordon Brown and they were pretty awful too

Cheesecakeandwineinasuitcase · 10/04/2022 22:09

@Wrongkindofovercoat

I do think people are going to start thinking along the lines of ' why would Sunaks wife agree to pay millions in taxes to keep him in a 150k job ?'
This ^

There is no way Sunak will ever get in as PM now and he doesn’t need the money. So what other little perks would the role afford him???

GreenClock · 10/04/2022 22:11

Martin Lewis and his team receive numerous emails and tweets from the public so I guess he has his “finger on the pulse” as a PP said.

I’m sensing a shift. I think that many people are getting disillusioned with the Royals for example. The Q paying up for Andrew was particularly disagreeable. The nutjob flag-shaggers will love the jubilee and hang about by Buckingham Palace from 3am in their stupid Union Jack hats but plenty of people will protest too (and most people will just enjoy being off work if their jobs allow it).

Rishi Sunak is fretting about the leak in relation to his wife’s tax status. Yes, a law has been broken because non-dom status is confidential but the fact remains that the Chancellor’s wife is ethically dubious and people won’t forget it.

There’s a change.

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desiringonlychild2022 · 10/04/2022 22:13

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow I know it's anecdotal but the north London shopping centre I went to today was stuffed full of people shopping...I was picking up a prescription but most people were clearly shopping including young families. Maybe it doesn't affect some people as much, we are a very unequal country.

Diverseopinions · 10/04/2022 22:13

LeftfotForward
I've been reading Henry Mayhew 'London Labour and London Poor': he was an editor of Punch in the mid nineteenth century. He conducted interviews with the working people of London. The kids looked after babies from the age of five, and went out selling on the streets - mostly fruit - from wooden baskets from the age of eight. They were given stock money, went to market at 4 am, and worked till about 9 or 10pm, bringing their earnings home. Some were not allowed back in the house for breakfast or to sleep, if they hadn't made any money. The family survived because of the children's earnings. Some parents could afford to pay for schooling, but couldn't have the kids away from work and not contributing. A system grew up in the 1840s with middle men, or sweaters , took orders from the manufacturers and parceled them out to households. Where the children were doing the shoe making or sewing box making the dad could get more orders completed in shorter time, and so relied on his kids helping. Middle men gave the work to those who'd accept lowest wages - first women, then by late 1840s, kids ended up being used more.

JudgeJ · 10/04/2022 22:14

@colosmbo

I saw this but it's not really the English way.
Enough people trying hard to cause it though then they can stand back and wring their hands in faux horror.
woodhill · 10/04/2022 22:17

@Diverseopinions

LeftfotForward I've been reading Henry Mayhew 'London Labour and London Poor': he was an editor of Punch in the mid nineteenth century. He conducted interviews with the working people of London. The kids looked after babies from the age of five, and went out selling on the streets - mostly fruit - from wooden baskets from the age of eight. They were given stock money, went to market at 4 am, and worked till about 9 or 10pm, bringing their earnings home. Some were not allowed back in the house for breakfast or to sleep, if they hadn't made any money. The family survived because of the children's earnings. Some parents could afford to pay for schooling, but couldn't have the kids away from work and not contributing. A system grew up in the 1840s with middle men, or sweaters , took orders from the manufacturers and parceled them out to households. Where the children were doing the shoe making or sewing box making the dad could get more orders completed in shorter time, and so relied on his kids helping. Middle men gave the work to those who'd accept lowest wages - first women, then by late 1840s, kids ended up being used more.
Ahh, interesting, is that where the phrase cut out the middleman comes from
JudgeJ · 10/04/2022 22:17

The nutjob flag-shaggers will love the jubilee and hang about by Buckingham Palace from 3am in their stupid Union Jack hats but plenty of people will protest too

I have poor opinions about the nutjobs who bring chaos to our cities because someone is treated badly by the police where they live, thousands of miles away. Ditto the fools demenstrating in London because of Imran Khan's downfall.

colosmbo · 10/04/2022 22:19

There are many people, not this forum, who think there is a bigger agenda afoot.

is this the you will own nothing thing?

DesidaCrick · 10/04/2022 22:19

Your a nut job flag shagger aren’t you @JudgeJ 😂😂😂

upinaballoon · 10/04/2022 22:22

You are = you're

Diverseopinions · 10/04/2022 22:23

Woodhull

Yes. Other interesting phrases crop up. Apparently, people thought swans guided you down a river to the afterlife, so phrases like 'swan song' and ' down the swanny' came from that.

It seems like today, or we're going that way. About that time, farmers stopped employing hands for the whole year ( as they sometimes did in Thomas Hardy novels written in late 19th century, but set earlier ( Mayor of Casterbridge). They just took them on for a few weeks - equivalent of our zero hour contracts.

Bluebluemoon · 10/04/2022 22:23

The elite have been building bunkers for pandemics, zombie outbreaks & civil unrest as they recognise the inequality so who knows.

Of course they have Hmm

NeedAHoliday2021 · 10/04/2022 22:25

Just before covid I was at a police briefing that said we’re over due a riot/civil unrest. These things tend to go in cycles and we’re due. Intrigued what will push people over the edge to be honest.

VelvetChairGirl · 10/04/2022 22:27

@thekaratekid

The fact that the need for foodbanks in the UK has become so normalised, so everyday, is an absolute reflection on the disengagement and otherness of the current government. I am in my early thirties and I can clearly remember a time without foodbanks in the UK. They appeared during the recession and never disappeared. The government thought "oh this is OK, the public and charities have picked up the slack, we don't have to fix anything now." Angry

As for civil unrest, I am not so sure. People definitely are angry and struggling day to day. However, I think modern society in the UK has made protesting and unrest too complicated and frankly exhausting for most people to get involved. People have been beaten down by austerity, the pandemic and the general UK shit show to even consider possibly getting involved in any organised unrest. Random small pockets of unrest I can definitely see, but poll tax type riots..no... people are too exhausted and worried about making ends meet. People these days just tend to keep their heads down and go along with whatever as no one has the energy.

mogg thinks foodbanks are enlightening
Kendodd · 10/04/2022 22:28

actually felt really worried today when I saw the food bank box at our local Waitrose was completely empty except for a single tin
I remember my local supermarket used to have a donation bin for the local animal shelter you could put pet food in. A couple of years after the Tories came to power it was removed and replaced with a donation bin for the local food bank. Inexplicably, we still love the Tories though.