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Ukraine Invasion: Part 19

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MagicFox · 06/04/2022 20:38

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TargusEasting · 08/04/2022 21:51

@PaperTyger It would be interesting to look at the inventory and do a stock check. By all accounts some of these tanks have been moored at the quayside in Monaco.

Alexandra2001 · 08/04/2022 21:52

@PaperTyger

It's all one sided Alex.

Do you think he wants ww3?

As Stephen King once wrote "Crazy people are not always hip to their own best interests"

Yes Russia has the t14 tank, thought to be the best battle tank in the world but very few of them.

The upgraded T72/90 was also thought to be able to withstand nlaw missile systems too.....

PaperTyger · 08/04/2022 21:55

Igor's latest twitter thread interesting! March 28fh high-level Putin defector and possibly responsible for plundering the armies refit money?

RedToothBrush · 08/04/2022 21:56

[quote TargusEasting]@RedToothBrush
What is the relevance of that picture timed at 10:25 with regard to the railway station attack?[/quote]
How could they be reporting the attack 20 mins before anyone (everyone else 10.45) else?

The suggestion is the attack was launched at 10.13 (which would be consistent with reports starting to circulate half an an hour later).

Yet this report is 10.25. Just twelve minutes later. And apparently it was a planned tweet; as in pre-set to be published at a certain time.

Gaps between an incident of this nature and a proper news agency report are rarely within 12 minutes of an incident. You've got to find out about it, write the report and then get it published. And this seems to have been a report written BEFORE the attack happened....

There was a known target.

PaperTyger · 08/04/2022 21:56

Targus I know!
Maybe they Keep the best stuff back ( that's not moored in Monaco) for Russian protection?

MMBaranova · 08/04/2022 21:58

I did my occasional wander on to VK late afternoon. What I see is no doubt filtered in the light of past interactions, but it was mostly standard almostfacebooking banality with a lot of past foreign holidays being showcased and future ones in the sun wished for. These were Russian accounts. Also some Ukrainians pushing standard Ukrainian line and Russians a counter one. I noticed a number of French and German up Putin's arse accounts that make gorgeous George G look like more of a pussycat than he already is.

Official Russian videos are there too. like the report [see image capture] of 'high-precision air-launched missiles destroying a large depot of rocket and artillery weapons near the village of Nimirovskoye, Odessa region' and so on.

There are more gruesome images including videos from Kramatorsk perhaps than on western media.

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TargusEasting · 08/04/2022 22:02

@RedToothBrush
I am probably being dim, but why would anyone even give a second glance to that tweet?

RedToothBrush · 08/04/2022 22:03

Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 @IAPonomarenko
In Makariv west of Kyiv, 132 dead bodies unearthed from mass graves and found in the streets following the Russian occupation, the mayor says.
The town has been destroyed by 40%.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 08/04/2022 22:06

Odessa I think is also largely in the clear, they will get the occasional sting, but I think that's largely because the Russians want to keep the Ukrainians tied up there, instead of being able to go to Mariupol or the Donbas basin.

My friend in Odesa says they don't think they are in the clear and that they expect further attacks in the next day or so.

Ijsbear · 08/04/2022 22:11

T-14 tanks ... aren't those the ones that need engine parts made only in two factories, one Germany and one in .. er .. Ukraine? (hazy memory here, but think I read something about that)

MMBaranova · 08/04/2022 22:20

VK is a real rabbit hole. Or warren. I must stay away. BUT I did stumble across the Sergei Lavrov community, which I have inadvertently joined. Sergei, or whoever controls the account, is posting about the West's technique of piling false information into accounts of events.

I'm going to have to unsubscribe.

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PaperTyger · 08/04/2022 22:23

Igor sushko (sp) has interesting stuff.
Don't know how verified.

notimagain · 08/04/2022 22:32

@Ijsbear

T-14 tanks ... aren't those the ones that need engine parts made only in two factories, one Germany and one in .. er .. Ukraine? (hazy memory here, but think I read something about that)
Don't know about that but I gather it's had a very lengthy/challenging development process and I didn't think many if any had been delivered to any Russian units....

Any that have made it out of the factory are probably being held back in Moscow for the May Day parade...Confused

PestorPeston · 08/04/2022 22:39

The IAEA publish almost daily updates on the state of Ukraine's nuclear reactors www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/update-46-iaea-director-general-statement-on-situation-in-ukraine

Radiation levels are still being measured in most of Ukraine and the surrounding areas. Chernobyl is hoped to be back on-line soon www.saveecobot.com/radiation-maps#6/48.960/33.376/gamma

Belarus has an exclusion zone/ wildlife reserve bigger than Chernobyl. They know about the dangers and have presumably been trying to restrain the Russians from being too big a dicks.

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RedToothBrush · 08/04/2022 22:42

Samantha Power @powerUSaid
Russian forces have killed at least 7 journalists in Ukraine in 6 wks.
In Syria & Bosnia—very dangerous conflicts for reporters—8 & 9 journalists, respectively, were killed over the entire 1st year of those wars.
Putin’s soldiers are killing journalists at an unprecedented rate.

RedToothBrush · 08/04/2022 22:54

Re why are they deporting from Mariupol?

Too many Ukrainians in one place pose a thread. They can organise. They can resist.

If you disperse them and disconnect them, they can't. They become more vulnerable and less able to resist control. They lose a collective sense of shared identity.

As humans they are valuable to the state to generate income or labour. They have no value beyond this. They are there to be controlled. Liberty is prohibited
Volodymyr Yermolenko @yermolenko_v
My attempt to understand why Russians hate / dehumanize Ukrainians so much, -- which is a way to understand one of the major causes of this war. Thread 1/10

Ukrainian testimonies of meeting with "Russian soldiers" during the occupation are often pointing at Buryats, Bashkirs, Chechens, etc. This is a practical example to understand: Russians is not a nation, but an empire, which collected various ethnicities inside its body 2/10

Its only capacity to exist is to strip all "constituent nations" of their identity and culture, calling them "Russians". But instead of creating a "melting pot" in which these nations would enrich each other, it created a society in which humans are must forget their roots 3/10

this politics of amnesia transformed people into rootless biological / physical units in whom identity and culture should be erased. This was the nature of the "Soviet people" in the USSR. But "Russian people" is also an imperial construct based upon this forced amnesia 4/10

This can explain why Russians started hating Ukrainians so much: despite several centures of erasing Ukrainian identity and memory, physical extermination (Holodomor etc), Ukrainians miraculously succeeded in building a nation. 5/10

Building a nation means: having a society which has a collective identity and common practices despite all differences; most importantly, which shapes and reshapes its political elites instead of being shaped by them 6/10

compared to Ukrainians, "Russian nation" is still barely existing; thefore key kremlin ideologues are desperately looking for other metaphors to explain what Russia is ("civilization", "empire", "Nazi fighters") but all this only hides a big void: absence of Russian nation 7/10

So Ukrainians are seen as : a) traitors who reject Russian melting pot b) alter ego which succeeded in building an Eastern Slavic nation which Russians failed 8/10

In a way this attitude is comparable to Nazi attitude to Jews (both an "internal" enemy and an alter ego, an "example" of "race purity" for Nazi prop) but with important difference: 9/10

Jews were for Nazis "the Other" which wanted to "be like you"; Ukrainians are for Russians "like us" which now want to be "the Other". And therefore have to be exterminated as major enemy par excellence ("anti-Russia") 10/10

RedToothBrush · 08/04/2022 23:24

Zarina Zabrisky @zarinazabrisky
#Deportations Russia prepares changes to the legislation to simplify the adoption process. They will give away the children w/o special checks, hiding the traces of Ukrainian children. This is a gross violation of Article 7 of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

blueshoes · 08/04/2022 23:32

@RedToothBrush

Zarina Zabrisky *@zarinazabrisky* #Deportations Russia prepares changes to the legislation to simplify the adoption process. They will give away the children w/o special checks, hiding the traces of Ukrainian children. This is a gross violation of Article 7 of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.
Russia is stealing deported Ukrainian children, likely after killing the parents or separating them from their parents 😭.

Is this a new thing dreamt up by the Russians/Putin to solve their demographic crisis or is this a feature of all wars? Not that it makes things any less horrendous. This is so heartbreaking.

ScrollingLeaves · 08/04/2022 23:45

@RedToothBrush

Zarina Zabrisky @zarinazabrisky*
#Deportations Russia prepares changes to the legislation to simplify the adoption process. They will give away the children w/o special checks, hiding the traces of Ukrainian children. This is a gross violation of Article 7 of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child*

This is the very worst atrocity I’ve heard of yet. Child stealers. Child soul murderers.

EsmaCannonball · 09/04/2022 00:14

The Nazis abducted 'suitable' children and gave them to 'good German families.'

It's terrifying that these children may disappear into Russia without a trace. Are they even going to families? They could be put to work, or even worse. Russia is a huge hub of child sexual exploitation.

blueshoes · 09/04/2022 00:22

@EsmaCannonball

The Nazis abducted 'suitable' children and gave them to 'good German families.'

It's terrifying that these children may disappear into Russia without a trace. Are they even going to families? They could be put to work, or even worse. Russia is a huge hub of child sexual exploitation.

This is pure and unspeakable horror. For the child, who is alone and vulnerable to abuse and for the parent, who cannot stop what is happening to the child or even know where their child is or if the child is alive. How can a person do this to another. This is not human.

I wish there was a way to stop this happening any further to Ukraine right now. I hope the West is arming Ukraine. This is the golden time to push Russia out. We don't miss this opportunity due to feet dragging. My greatest hope is that things are happening behind the scenes that are not publicised. My greatest fear is that it will be too little too late and it becomes a long drawn out war with more abductions.

blueshoes · 09/04/2022 00:27

This heartbreaking pictures of the 6 year old boy who stands vigil by his mother's grave. His mother died of starvation and is buried in their yard. He brings food to her grave.

twitter.com/lapatina_/status/1511317924723798019

minsmum · 09/04/2022 00:39

Just saw on Twitter that the Russian embassy in Dublin is running short of fuel as no one will supply them.

It was noted that this seemed appropriate from the country where boycotts originated

ScrollingLeaves · 09/04/2022 00:52

@blueshoes

This heartbreaking pictures of the 6 year old boy who stands vigil by his mother's grave. His mother died of starvation and is buried in their yard. He brings food to her grave.

twitter.com/lapatina_/status/1511317924723798019

That is heartbreaking, and haunting.

In all these circles of hell, there is more starvation to come in the world too for lack of Ukrainian wheat and because of drought.

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2022 06:02

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61044063
Ukraine: Inside the spies’ attempts to stop the war

But when the news finally came on 24 February, it still felt unreal, one recalls: "It was hard to believe it was actually happening until I woke up early that morning and put the radio on."

For months they had been sounding the alarm.

"That day people went from 'Why are you being so hysterical?' to 'Why weren't you more hysterical?'" says the official.

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