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How can Baby P's mother be let out?!

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jowly · 30/03/2022 17:57

Apparently approved for parole, but being challenged by the gov.

How can a civilised society even consider it.

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EmpressCixi · 30/03/2022 19:13

That was my initial reaction too, but then I looked at the dates. She was sentenced to minimum of 5 years but has served 10yrs (she was released in 2013 but violated parole and was back in in 2015). So I’m not as bothered. She did write that she cries every day about Baby P and can’t get past her failure to be a mother.

They do know that Baby P died while she was asleep in bed. It was her, her boyfriend and his brother that all abused baby P. So they don’t know who did the fatal blow or beating.

She was known to social services since she was a child so had been brought up in an abusive and chaotic home. Not executing her, but it’s well studied that abused children are at high risk when they grow up to be abusers to their children. .

EmpressCixi · 30/03/2022 19:14

Excusing her...not executing...damn autocorrect

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jowly · 30/03/2022 19:14

I just don't understand how she's got off so lightly. She was his mother fgs.

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SaxendaSummer · 30/03/2022 19:15

i think they will all be given new identities at our cost

we would never know where they are. same as maxine carr and karen matthews

orangeisthenewpuce · 30/03/2022 19:23

'She did write that she cries every day about Baby P and can’t get past her failure to be a mother'

Well, she would say that wouldn't she.

Papayamya · 30/03/2022 19:24

@EmpressCixi

That was my initial reaction too, but then I looked at the dates. She was sentenced to minimum of 5 years but has served 10yrs (she was released in 2013 but violated parole and was back in in 2015). So I’m not as bothered. She did write that she cries every day about Baby P and can’t get past her failure to be a mother.

They do know that Baby P died while she was asleep in bed. It was her, her boyfriend and his brother that all abused baby P. So they don’t know who did the fatal blow or beating.

She was known to social services since she was a child so had been brought up in an abusive and chaotic home. Not executing her, but it’s well studied that abused children are at high risk when they grow up to be abusers to their children. .

Damn right she's a fucking failure of a mother and as a human being. No doubt her tears are for the freedom she lost rather than for her beautiful boy, you don't do those twisted things and then feel remorse- evil bitch. I agree she should have had support growing up, but plenty of people grow up in abusive, broken and chaotic homes who don't go on to do this. Whoever did the 'final blow' she facilitated the abuse- she's disgusting and although she may have served her time in the eye of our joke of a justice system; im glad the government are trying to block her release. Would you like to live next to someone who was capable of the despicable things she did?
VladsPants · 30/03/2022 19:28

@NecklessMumster

'Civilised ' society has laws for prison sentences, not mob rule/ rule by media
This.
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jowly · 30/03/2022 19:30

Yes we have laws and processes so people aren't just locked in jail and forgotten. But surely those laws and processes should keep the likes of her away from the civilised part of society.

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sqirrelfriends · 30/03/2022 19:36

I don't like it but she doesn't pose much of a danger.

She will never be allowed to be near or to have children. She will also be a social pariah and will be "punished" in this way for the rest of her life, as well as with (hopefully) crippling shame and regret for what she did.

EmpressCixi · 30/03/2022 19:39

@Papayamya

I believe that anyone can feel remorse and can seek redemption.
I don’t have the head space to carry around so much hate towards her.
I did actually live a few doors down from a family that killed their two boys and then themselves in a homicide-suicide pact. The older boy was a classmate of my oldest DC.
It’s so desperately sad when children are murdered. I don’t know what is a suitable prison term. She’s served twice her minimum so I think it’s probably time she be released to fend for herself. I don’t think she should be housed, fed, clothed and educated with our tax money for free any more. Have her work a job scrubbing toilets to earn her bread.

DebtheSander · 30/03/2022 19:39

She has already been released from her original sentence back in 2013. Then recalled to prison in 2015. The length of the recall, in comparison to the original sentence served, is very serious. And serious questions need to be asked about why she was recalled.

She should have been charged and convicted with murder in the first place. Under joint enterprise. They all did it. Joint enterprise is used to convict all members of a group when it is a gang murder. But not for the murder of children. Why?

Greatoutdoors · 30/03/2022 19:42

I thought she was already out. She was at a bail hostel round our way and got snapped and put in the tabloids. She must have been sent back inside

lunar1 · 30/03/2022 19:44

She should have been sterilised if they are letting her out. Saying that I don't know how old she is.

Suzi888 · 30/03/2022 19:44

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Papayamya · 30/03/2022 19:46

[quote EmpressCixi]@Papayamya

I believe that anyone can feel remorse and can seek redemption.
I don’t have the head space to carry around so much hate towards her.
I did actually live a few doors down from a family that killed their two boys and then themselves in a homicide-suicide pact. The older boy was a classmate of my oldest DC.
It’s so desperately sad when children are murdered. I don’t know what is a suitable prison term. She’s served twice her minimum so I think it’s probably time she be released to fend for herself. I don’t think she should be housed, fed, clothed and educated with our tax money for free any more. Have her work a job scrubbing toilets to earn her bread.[/quote]
But she will be provided with all she needs, she will probably have a new identity and have more resources offered to her than many others do- its vile. I don't think she deserves redemption, people don't change that much, her tears won't bring him back.

DarleneSnell · 30/03/2022 19:53

Oh, god knows. It's not a civilized system that releases anyone that appalling to live among the rest of us.

Baby P's suffering turns the stomach of any normal person, it hardly gets much worse - and this was his own mother. She's in a country that will imprison and feed her, rather than hang her. That seems very civilized to me. Restoring her liberty at such a relatively young age is a farce.

Suzi888 · 30/03/2022 19:55

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Oh fgs give her a million quid then and wish her all the best.
whatsthestory123 · 30/03/2022 20:27

was she not pregnant when sentenced

Hearwego · 30/03/2022 20:58

**I don't like it but she doesn't pose much of a danger.

She will never be allowed to be near or to have children. She will also be a social pariah and will be "punished" in this way for the rest of her life, as well as with (hopefully) crippling shame and regret for what she did.

What makes you say that? She can easily change her name and appearance. What would stop her having contact with children?
Yes she would fail a CRB check to work with children , but she could still get access to children, via friends, family.
She can’t be monitored 24/7.
She’ll be free amongst us in society.

Hearwego · 30/03/2022 21:02

It amazes me that prison sentences can be so lenient in the UK. A child died horrifically and she was responsible. A mother.

People get longer sentences for drug smuggling or robbery.

I doubt the government will be able to stop the parole boards decision, although I hope Priti Patel does her best. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

Parsley1234 · 30/03/2022 21:03

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Piper22 · 30/03/2022 21:12

He was found in a blood splattered cot, had swallowed a tooth after being punched, had mutilated fingers tips and had lost fingernails. He had over 50 injuries to his little body. This evil should never ever see the light of day. There is so much depravity in this world

Kitkat151 · 30/03/2022 21:14

@MadeForThis

It's disgusting that she can be freed early.
She served twice her original sentence at least....so They probably have no option but to agree a release
AWombleScorned · 30/03/2022 21:22

@Jongy

Compulsory sterilisation at the very least in the absence of the rope.
Don’t be ridiculous ffs
FrankLeeSpeaking · 30/03/2022 21:28

@lunar1

She should have been sterilised if they are letting her out. Saying that I don't know how old she is.
I believe she was born in the 1980s, so may only be very early 40s as a maximum.
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