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Ukraine Invasion: Part 17

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MagicFox · 27/03/2022 07:23

A new place for us to convene, thread 17.

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ScrollingLeaves · 29/03/2022 11:23

@prettybird 08:32
Re Your Mum a teacher never using corporal punishment as she knew children were already harmed by life it and it would only make things worse. She used the discipline of detentions and extra work instead.

She sounds wonderful. I am sure it is right that among our children many have already been stressed very young ( perhaps even have a form of brain damage - see book by Sue Gerhardt “Why Love Matters”). They have as a result permanent higher levels of cortisol and are already on edge.

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 29/03/2022 11:32

[quote TargusEasting]@Ijsbear
Recruits are not taught rage and violence. These emotions are embedded in us all, to different degrees. The teaching should be how to control aggression and know when and how to use it in the most limited of circumstances. Good soldiers are not raging, murderous psychopaths. Russian conscripts won't be. But war tests character. For some people it is like a drug. Having killed once, they kill again and seek out killing for the sake of it. Good commanders will remove those from the battlefield - eventually.[/quote]
But maybe it's different with the Russian army? I think it posted this at the weekend but it's a Twitter thread on dedovshchina, the intensely violent hazing that Russian conscripts often undergo. They're raped, beaten, made to torture other conscripts, deprived of sleep etc. I presume the point is to break their spirit and to ensure they're inured to the worst kind of violence, so they can readily inflict it on others.

twitter.com/zoyashef/status/1507524865959788545

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2022 11:32

Al Arabiya English @alarabiya_english
Watch: Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba, speaks about the suspected poisoning of Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich during negotiations to help end the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/03/28/Billionaire-Abramovich-Ukrainian-peace-negotiators-hit-by-poisoning-Reports

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2022 11:40

Samuel Ramani @samramani2
The Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov called for the "ringleaders of the Kiev regime and their minions" to be "tracked down" and "inevitably and properly punished"

Looks like Russia hasn't reconciled itself with giving up on "denazification" or regime change

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2022 11:43

Lindsey Hilsum @lindseyhilsum
The Russians targeted one of Ukraine’s most charismatic leaders, Governor Vitali Kim of Mykolaiv by attacking his office this morning. Luckily he wasn’t there but others are missing. Time for officials to abandon municipal offices and operate fm anonymous buildings.

Vitali Kim posted a video earlier today saying there were 50 to 100 people in the building at the time but most got out. They were still looking for 8 civilians and 3 military though.

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2022 11:48

The Kyiv Independent @kyivindependent
Head of the Ukrainian delegation David Arakhamia (R), an MP chairing President Volodymyr Zelensky's party in the parliament, meets in Istanbul with the head of the Russian delegation Vladimir Medinsky, aide to Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.

Hands firmly on legs!

Ukraine Invasion: Part 17
Igotjelly · 29/03/2022 11:50

@RedToothBrush

The Kyiv Independent *@kyivindependent* Head of the Ukrainian delegation David Arakhamia (R), an MP chairing President Volodymyr Zelensky's party in the parliament, meets in Istanbul with the head of the Russian delegation Vladimir Medinsky, aide to Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.

Hands firmly on legs!

Who can blame them! I’d be terrified to touch anything.

Also quite refreshing to see Putin described as the ‘Russian dictator’

Ijsbear · 29/03/2022 11:52

@RedToothBrush

Samuel Ramani *@samramani2* The Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov called for the "ringleaders of the Kiev regime and their minions" to be "tracked down" and "inevitably and properly punished"

Looks like Russia hasn't reconciled itself with giving up on "denazification" or regime change

Russia's previous words can't be trusted. Surprise ... Hmm
notimagain · 29/03/2022 11:57

@ScrollingLeaves

Is anyone here from a military background?

There are a few.

If so, given the U K stands against war crimes, do you know what training our armed forces are given to avoid becoming war criminals themselves

Not sure what goes on currently. There used to be some a while back when I was involved but it didn’t used to be a major topic, it mostly a heads up on some of the provisions of the Geneva Conventions and various other bits of relevant legislation or codes, perhaps tailored to your role.

I’ve heard talk these days that there may well be legal advice on tap at HQ level or similar during operations - wonder if anyone can comment/confirm/deny

Ijsbear · 29/03/2022 11:57

I am sad to say that in Putin's case I think the only option is to go by actions not words and not to settle for anything less than total Russian withdrawal. Anything less and he will just come back for more after regrouping.

But it is not my people dying ...

PerkingFaintly · 29/03/2022 12:16

How many people are Ukraine prepared to abandon to their fate with Putin? Zelensky has impossible choices to make at some point.

Indeed. There is no perfect route for Zelensky to take.

I think we should be prepared for the fact that, whatever Zelensky does, it will be spun by the bots and their amplifiers as a betrayal of XYZ, and we'll be deluged with comments along the lines of "I used to really admire him, but now he's let me down so terribly."

(For some reason conversion narratives seem to be psychologically very effective. Particularly easy to effect on nicely anonymous social media, and can be used on any topic.)

mibbelucieachwell · 29/03/2022 12:18

I can't even begin to imagine what it's like to be sat at a tiny table opposite a representative of the enemy like that. Do they both begin by proclaiming how keen they are to stop the fighting and reach agreement?

ScrollingLeaves · 29/03/2022 12:18

@notimagain
Re training on how to avoid the possible eruption of a latent war criminal in oneself when in the armed forces.

Thanks for your answer. I wasn’t meaning so much making people aware of the Geneva Convention, which is of course step one, but something far more akin to training in psychological readiness and ‘pause’ techniques. Also the role of officer leadership in this question.

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2022 12:26

Kamil Galeev @kamilkazani
I see three plausible scenarios for the Russian future:

1. North Korea
2. Imperial Reboot
3. Jubilee

Since Ukraine is resolved to fight, the choice of a Russian historical track ultimately depends upon the resolve of the West. Today I'll outline the North Korea scenario

If the West deescalates and Putin stays in power, he will become much stronger and Russia will become more like North Korea. You shouldn't delude yourself, there's no way back to February 23. As a result of "deescalation", Russia won't return to the status quo

If the West deescalates, it means Putin was absolutely, 100% right to rush Z and all who doubted him were idiots. When Putin decided to fight, officials such as Foreign Intelligence Service chief Naryshkin hesitated. They doubted his decision. Victory will dispel any doubts

Many compare Putin's Russia with the USSR and Z-war with the Cold War. That's wrong. With the brief exception of 1945-1953 the USSR was always collectively run. Politburo actually discussed policy decisions. The USSR was much more oligarchical and modern Russia is more autocratic

With the exception of late Stalinism, the USSR was a Party oligarchy. Ruling clique made collective decisions and Politburo protocols showed they were actually discussing them. Politburo had real debates. Modern Russia has no debates. Only the Supreme Leader dictating his will

"Deescalation" proponents ignore its effect on the balance of power within Russia. Putin already concentrated enormous decision maker power in his hands, much more than Soviet rulers. Not everyone however, trusts his judgement 100%. Victory will show you must follow Putin blindly

Consider Munich agreement, 1938. When Hitler manufactured crisis in Czechoslovakia many in Germany doubted his judgement. Wehrmacht and Abwehr officers led by Hans Oster planned a coup aiming to assassinate Hitler and to overthrow the Nazi rule that leads Germany to catastrophe

Why didn't they do it then? Well, because the West deescalated. Neville Chamberlain chose appeasement strategy. He was afraid of the war and thus gave Hitler concessions to buy peace. However, these concessions very much increased Hitler's authority within Germany

German resolve in WWII should be viewed in the context of Munich. In 1938 Hitler put Germany on stake. Many doubted his judgement, some plotted to kill the madman. But then the West backed off and gave concessions. He isn't a madman, he is a genius. Those who doubted him are mad

Foreign policy impacts domestic policy. It's insane to ponder how this or that pact will change international balance of power without considering its effect on domestic balance. Every risky move he gets aways with increases the power of a ruler. We doubtet him, but he was right

I noticed an interesting pattern. Those analysts who casually label dictatorial behaviour as "irrational" never managed to establish a proper dictatorship. They don't know how to build dictatorial power, they don't know how to keep it. They have no idea what they're talking about

Dictator must make risky "irrational" moves to shift domestic balance of power. When he puts the country on stake, many doubt his judgement. But once he wins, he's proven right. He's genius following him blindly is the smartest thing you can do. That's how he builds his power

Russian people may not have realised this yet, but officials know that Putin has put Russia at stake. More importantly, he put them, their lives, fortunes and careers on stake. They're very nervous. Many wish they could return to February 23 and undo all the following decisions

Russia can't make peace with Ukraine because it would mean Ukraine has won. Once Putin declared them as Nazis and promised to destroy them, he can't back off. That would mean he tried to finish them and failed. His judgement is weak. That will break his stand within Russian power

However, any agreement between Russia and the West, any deescalation, lifting of any sanctions will have the opposite effect. Russian authorities don't think they fighting with Ukraine. They think they're fighting with the West. Putin escalated conflict and the West backed off

Consider Zhirinovsky's speech in parliament on January 18, 2022. It may not reflect the united position of Russian power but it certainly reflects its worldview. We must wage a war to:

A. Defeat the West
B. Using our military superiority
C. And thus solve our economic problems

This speech reflects assumptions Russian rulers are basing their policy on. First, Zhirinovsky mentions Russia has "economic problems". It's a slip of the tongue and an understatement. In fact Russia is in a deep structural crisis. It's the oil exporter that ran out of cheap oil

Theoretically Russia has huge oil and gas deposits. But nearly all of them lie in the Arctic and are super expensive to develop. Moreover, Russia lacks technology to develop them alone and has to rely on Western investors and suppliers.

Russia is also dependentupon technological import. Russia doesn't produce much and what it does produce, it produces on Western machines, with Western components and technologies. This can't be solved within the current sociopolitical order.

Finally Russia is depopulating. It has fewer youngsters and fewer Russians. That's what believers in Russian resilience forget: yes, in the past Russia could afford huge human losses to win wars and industrialise. But back then it was young.

These are "economic problems" Zhirinovsky was talking about and which nearly everyone in the Russian ruling class was aware off. You shouldn't underestimate Russian officials, they may not be geniuses. Most of them are not even intellectuals. But most of them are not dumb

Now imagine yourself as Putin or those in power who support him. You know your country is in deep crisis. It's depopulating. It doesn't produce much and is critically dependent on import. It mostly exports oil & gas and now runs out of cheap oil * gas, the rest is in the Arctic

Russian leadership more or less knew how badly Russia is doing in industrial production, in natural resources extraction, in demography. They knew the ship is sinking. But they couldn't know how bad is situation in Russian army. Why? Because no expert could know that

The awful situation in Russian economy was a common knowledge. Many knew including those working for the Kremlin. Consider deputy PM Belousov who briefly worked as an acting Prime Minister. He is an economist who made very grim assessments of Russian economy and demography

Those in power could have quite accurate and reliable data on situation in Russian economy. Because such data is common knowledge. Everyone could easily get verifiable info on it and many of those who did, made it into the power

Ministry for Economic Affairs is very meritocratic, very open and is actively headhunting. They tried to invite me for a job interview five times in 2021 (= evidence of their high reasoning abilities). They're targeting people with Western education, tech companies background etc

Putin has employees who accurately understood the economic situation and he read their briefs. We have every reason to believe that Putin and those around him had access to the reliable data on Russian economy and demography. He knew ship is sinking, so you have to do something

But nobody could provide Putin with accurate reliable data on the capacities of the Russian army. Because such data didn't exist in the first place. Russian army has not been tested in battle against big regular armies since 1945. Ukraine 2022 is the first experiment since WWII

Since WWII Russian army has been involved only in police operations against civilians in Hungary and Czechoslovakia, or guerrillas like in Chechnya and Syria. But Russia has no experience of fighting regular armies. 2022 is an experiment.

Putin had reliable data on economy. He couldn't have such data on army performance in a real war cuz such data didn't exist. He relied on opinions of generals and experts who believed in easy victory. In this respect Russian experts were not much better than the Western ones

When I say Putin couldn't have reliable data, I mean reliable aggregated data. Ofc he could talk with regular soldiers, get some anecdotal data and extrapolate it. That would be much better than "listening to experts". Consider interview of Wagner mercenary who fought in Syria
twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1508577113762263045

Putin didn't collect and extrapolate the accurate anecdotal data from the frontline soldiers. Instead he relied on inaccurate aggregated data provided by generals and experts who were just wrong like most experts around the world. NB: do not ignore experience of frontline workers

This asymmetry in data accuracy explains Putin's decision to rush Z. He knew how badly is Russian economy doing, but he believed in might of the Russian army. So he thought that being in an economic decline, Russia still has military leverage which would be silly not to employ

I wanna clarify, it wasn't Putin's personal delusion. It was a Russian mass delusion. They greatly overestimated Russian military capacities. Compare the tone of Putin's chief propagandist Solovyov in late February and in late March

Before Z-invasion, Russian nationalists saw military might as a leverage and openly discussed that. Let me quote the following article by Sputink and Pogrom - the major nationalist media. Read it, it's very telling - it's the ideology of aggressive policy based on mercenary army

"Russians know and love doing two things - the war and the literature. Whatever we do that doesn't involve either war or literature almost always turns out badly. Many Russian institutions are heavily militarised for this very reason"

"We have a destitute people which doesn't incline to idealism. Russians love money very much and will kill anyone for money - we saw this in 1990s... It's a boring northern country, you can cheer yourself up only with a "beautiful life", abundance, prosperity"

"Plan of any military campaign:

- Soldiers get condo + Zhiguli
- Junior officers - large condo + foreign car for 20000$
- Senior officers - townhouse + foreign car for 40000$
- Generals a cottage + foreign car for 80000$
- Minister of defense - estate + foreign car for 80000$"

"That's it. We don't need anything else. What Ukraine? What North Kazakhstan? Start using "South Ural" instead. Audi A4 and new condo are at stake. These guys will conquer even Australia. Where do we get the money from? Oil, gas, trophies. We don't even need patriotic propaganda"

"Why are you occupying Constantinople? You can't respond: "I want to eat black caviar and ride on Cadillac with top models". So we will talk of the cross over Hagia Sophia, Orthodoxy. That's good enough. Any justification is good enough including even the Fifth International"

"They criticise Russians for lack of idealism - Russians will sell their motherland for cash. I actually agree. But it also means that Russians would do whatever with others' motherland for money. They'll swim in gold like Scrooge McDuck and get status of honourable warriors"

That's a very telling publication. Western midwits make up BS justifications for Z-invasion and invent idealistic motivation for Z-invaders. But according to Russian ethnonationalists it's just a mercenary army that will kill whomever for money. Source:
sputnikipogrom.com/politics/9147/russian-war-machine/

When we talk of Russian ruling class, we are talking about not dumb, highly pragmatic and highly opportunistic guys. Most of them are already doubting Putin's judgement. They may not tell it or tell it in a very politically correct way. But they're in doubt. He put them on stake

However, if Putin wins, and deescalation with the West means his victory, it will greatly shift the balance of power within Russia in his favour. Yes, Russia as a whole will be weaker. But Putin himself much stronger. His mythos and Russian imperial mythos will grow stronger

What changes should in expect in Russian society, if Putin wins? First, ruling class will not be able to doubt or question his authority. Within Russian imperial mythos victory is all redeeming and the inability of the West to crush Putin means his victory

It will retrospectively legitimise all the Putin's record. Soviets did this trick in late 1960s. Dekulakization, industrialisations, purges were necessary to win the WWII. Victory is all redeeming. And Putin's victory against the West will retrospectively redeem everything, too

Much of Russia believes in Putin. Their faith will grow much stronger. Many don't believe in him. They'll either get ashamed of their previous views, repent and become stronger and more unquestioning believers or will just shut up and live in silence

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2022 12:26

continued

Russia has already changed. Major oppositional media were either closed or lowkey stopped working. Any institutions who tried to question Putin are being quickly dismantled. This encroachment will only increase after his victory. No independent speech will exist in new Russia

Russia will become much poorer but its rulers might even like that. Consider this paper by now Deputy PM Belousov. The growth of middle class is problematic:

- they buy expensive imported goods
- they increase cost of labor, demand more labor rights
- they try to emigrate

Russian elite doesn't want Russians to be rich. They view poverty as a competitive advantage. If they're poor, we can keep wages low, decreasing cost of production. If they are poor, they can't buy expensive foreign goods worsening our trade balance. Finally, poor won't emigrate

Demise of private sector is a problem only in short perspective. In a long term it's a win win situation. Private sector destroyed, the emigration routes closed, people will have no choice but to work for those high in dominance hierarchy for food. That's a competitive advantage

Another advantage of poverty is that you can easier find recruits for your imperial wars. Many are surprised by Russian parents refusing to help their kids who were capptured in Ukraine. But if you think of it, it makes total sense. These families view their kids as a resource

Parents all around the world sell their kids to prostitution and it surprises no one. These families view their children as an economic resource which must earn money for them, this way or another. That's exactly how much of the Russian poor view their children

Why soldiers' families aren't protesting? Well, they are lavishly compensated. You can now get 170 000 salary for enlisting into army. That's huge money for province with 20 000 salaries. Putin also pays over 7 million rubles to families of soldiers killed in Ukraine. A good deal

The only case of families protesting agains the war in Ukraine I could find, happened in ethnic province - Karachaevo-Cherkessiya. Six women from 29 to 61 years old blocked the road demanding to disclose fate of their kins sent to Ukraine. They were arrested of course

Russian provincial families are losing their sons in Ukraine. But they won't protest. Their son died as a hero + they get a payout. Great deal. Moreover, since their son died "for Russia", we must keep fighting till the victory. We don't want our boy to die in vain, do we?

Cynical it may sound, death of a son in Ukraine is a good deal, because:

1. He is an economic resource anyway
2. War is a good way to cash out this resource

It's not that his death is a win, it's that once he's dead or captured you just write off the lost resource

Consider that men in Russia don't live too long anyway and the lives of men from poor towns and countryside are especially short. You can verify it walking through a small town in Novgorod or in Ivanovo. Yes, they die, but they wouldn't live too long anyway. Not much of a loss

I understand that this account may sound dark and even dehumanising. It's not. Parents who sell their kids into prostitution are very, very human. It's just they have no honour. Modern culture tends to idealize and glorify poverty, while in fact there's little glory down there

As Chesterton wrote "the whole point of property is that in that alone can be naturally nourished the sentiment of honour". And vice versa: where there is no property, no sentiment of honour can be nourished. It's a stable equilibrium. This order can last for centuries. End

PerkingFaintly · 29/03/2022 12:28

On the role of perpetual, blatant lying in creating totalitarian states, this was studied after WW2 by Hannah Arendt, particularly looking at the regimes of Hitler and Stalin.

www.openculture.com/2017/01/hannah-arendt-explains-how-propaganda-uses-lies-to-erode-all-truth-morality.html

the mechanism of propaganda in fostering “a curiously varying mixture of gullibility and cynicism with which each member… is expected to react to the changing lying statements of the leaders.” So she wrote in her 1951 Origins of Totalitarianism, going on to elaborate that this “mixture of gullibility and cynicism… is prevalent in all ranks of totalitarian movements”:

[Arendt says] "In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and nothing was true… The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness."

Arendt and others recognized, writes Levy, that “being made to repeat an obvious lie makes it clear that you’re powerless.” She also recognized the function of an avalanche of lies to render a populace powerless to resist, the phenomenon we now refer to as "gaslighting”:

[Arendt says] "The result of a consistent and total substitution of lies for factual truth is not that the lie will now be accepted as truth and truth be defamed as a lie, but that the sense by which we take our bearings in the real world—and the category of truth versus falsehood is among the mental means to this end—is being destroyed."

The epistemological ground thus pulled out from under them, most would depend on whatever the leader said, no matter its relation to truth.

Autumnwater · 29/03/2022 12:30

Well it appears the ‘peace talks’ are already over after about 3 hours in Turkey according to Sky news. So that doesn’t sound like they have been very productive at this stage

Ijsbear · 29/03/2022 12:30

I will say that Kamil Galeev @kamilkazani 's tone has moved from analysis and extrapolation to anti-Russian. It's less dispassionate. Which is a shame as he has provided some excellent stuff, but I think his dislike is colouring his neutrality.

notimagain · 29/03/2022 12:32

[quote ScrollingLeaves]@notimagain
Re training on how to avoid the possible eruption of a latent war criminal in oneself when in the armed forces.

Thanks for your answer. I wasn’t meaning so much making people aware of the Geneva Convention, which is of course step one, but something far more akin to training in psychological readiness and ‘pause’ techniques. Also the role of officer leadership in this question.[/quote]
Ah, that sounds like a question for those who are or have served in the army..

In some roles if worse came to the worse then even as or especially as an officer you stood much more chance of ending up on being a POW (at best), not handling a POW…..so the emphasis in any training on the subject was shall we say somewhat different.

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2022 12:35

@PerkingFaintly

How many people are Ukraine prepared to abandon to their fate with Putin? Zelensky has impossible choices to make at some point.

Indeed. There is no perfect route for Zelensky to take.

I think we should be prepared for the fact that, whatever Zelensky does, it will be spun by the bots and their amplifiers as a betrayal of XYZ, and we'll be deluged with comments along the lines of "I used to really admire him, but now he's let me down so terribly."

(For some reason conversion narratives seem to be psychologically very effective. Particularly easy to effect on nicely anonymous social media, and can be used on any topic.)

I am waiting for this too.

The problem Zelensky has created is that he's become an icon for calling out the hypocrisy in the West. But many won't like that too. Because its a threat to them and the corruption and power structures that DOES exist in the West.

So there will be a keeness to discredit him once he has outlived his usefulness to the west, so to speak.

The flip to that is the open Putin apologists. Who obviously already hate his guts, so they will want shot of him.

And then there will be Ukrainians who simply don't agree with him and think he has done the wrong thing and cost lives in one way or another.

He has a poison chalice. He will never please everyone and has made obvious and more duplicitious enemies along the way.

We have to have this idea of a hero being perfect and thats getting worse because we are having this insane push to puriticialism on social media.

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2022 12:39

There is a growing swell of young who feel generational and economic change is needed around the world. The very rich are aware of it and looking for ways to deal with this threat...

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2022 12:49

Tim White @TWMCLtd
Peace talks in Istanbul already ended

Peace Talks:
#Ukraine adviser @Podolyak_M appeals to friendly countries to become guarantors for any peace deal.

"we have the problem of Crimea which is why we need this security."

"Our guarantee must be the same as NATO article 5 - any guarantor nation must help us immediately. They must give us what we need to restore security.

This is the most important demand."

Podoloyak (Ukr): "First there will be a referendum, then ratification of guarantor countries, then our Parliament will pass resolution."

"We want to make a deal that neither side will use war to solve the Crimea issue."

"It is very important for us that Russia accepts the articles of the Geneva convention.

No guarantor will back this deal if they do not."

"First 3.5m people must return to Ukraine before we can take this vote (referendum)

"We will continue negotiations with Russia"

"We already started negotiating with guarantor countries."

"In the occupied territories (Donbas), Ukrainian law must be upheld."

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2022 12:51

Tim White @TWMCLtd
Peace Talks

Russian side now speaking.

"First Foreign Ministers must agree and can meet and then after that maybe the Presidents can meet."

But after today we agreed and offered solutions. Maybe FMs can agree meeting quickly and peace is possible."

Both sides have said the Peace Talks in Istanbul were "constructive"

But Russia seems unlikely to accept proposal to "negotiate" about Crimea.

mpsw · 29/03/2022 12:54

I’ve heard talk these days that there may well be legal advice on tap at HQ level or similar during operations - wonder if anyone can comment/confirm/deny

Confirm, butit all gets a bit complicated on multinational deployments.

But needed on the spot, to avoid unintended consequences if operational decisions.

(Example - possibly semi-apocryphal - shoot to kill policy on ops overseas for certain actions which could endanger whole mission. A commander seeking to have all vehicles considered mission critical. Lawyer (Canadian IIRC) speaking up to confirm he could see totally why the Comd said that, acknowledging the importance of the vehicles, but he had some concerns about making potentially all forms of car crime a capital offence so he would be referring that point to capitals. Instant abandonment of the policy!)

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2022 13:03

@Ijsbear

I will say that Kamil Galeev *@kamilkazani* 's tone has moved from analysis and extrapolation to anti-Russian. It's less dispassionate. Which is a shame as he has provided some excellent stuff, but I think his dislike is colouring his neutrality.
I disagree.

He is anti-corruption and anti-totalitarian.

What he describes in the above thread has echoes of criticism of the USA's economy being dependent on its military might and the idea that he has to start wars to distract from domestic issues. Its, therefore, not a uniquely Russian idea.

The problem is that Putin is demonstrating a classic descent into totalitarianism which relies on being inward looking and seeing everyone outside as a threat: its Putin projecting his own bunker mentality onto the population. Putin thinks he is the enbodyment of Russia.

The mobilisation of Z movement is an issue and is concerning. If you aren't understanding why he has to turn economic collaspe into a 'necessity' in the eyes of his public, you miss the point that its the only way he survives. Especially given how his Ukraine operation has gone tits up on its plans.

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