Are you worried this is the start of ww3 and nukes will be used ?

[LovelyYellowLabrador]

Or do you think realistically no one will start to use Nuclear weapons

For anyone thinking that if the Russians use a tactical nuke in Ukraine then it wouldn't necessarily lead to an all out nuclear war please please have a look at this simulation of this exact event by Princeton University "Plan A".

@1dayatatime

For anyone thinking that if the Russians use a tactical nuke in Ukraine then it wouldn't necessarily lead to an all out nuclear war please please have a look at this simulation of this exact event by Princeton University "Plan A".

Please people with anxiety do not watch that video!

@1dayatatime

For anyone thinking that if the Russians use a tactical nuke in Ukraine then it wouldn't necessarily lead to an all out nuclear war please please have a look at this simulation of this exact event by Princeton University "Plan A".

If people think/hope it wouldn't lead to that why scare them with that video. What good does it do. Can't see the point of pleading with people just to unsettle them and take away their hope.

Not worried

Zero worry. The fact you do seems odd. Do you have anxiety?

Yes. I've lived through a number of previous scares and this one seems the most likely to be the final one. Putin cant win this war, Ukraine cant either and Putin might prefer to blow the world up than face that. But since there is nothing I can do to prevent it I'll focus on enjoying now.

Recite the serenity prayer

Father, give us courage to change what must be altered, serenity to accept what cannot be helped, and the insight to know the one from the other.

Those of you saying 'No, do you have anxiety?' - is it that you dismiss the lines of evidence on this thread, the other long running one and elsewhere exactly why this is likely [i.e you still think it's a vanishingly remote possibility], or is it that you have genuinely accepted that this is probably the end and are at peace with that? Genuine question.

@FraterculaArctica

Those of you saying 'No, do you have anxiety?' - is it that you dismiss the lines of evidence on this thread, the other long running one and elsewhere exactly why this is likely [i.e you still think it's a vanishingly remote possibility], or is it that you have genuinely accepted that this is probably the end and are at peace with that? Genuine question.

What evidence is there on this thread? There's nothing but opinions on here.

@FraterculaArctica

Those of you saying 'No, do you have anxiety?' - is it that you dismiss the lines of evidence on this thread, the other long running one and elsewhere exactly why this is likely [i.e you still think it's a vanishingly remote possibility], or is it that you have genuinely accepted that this is probably the end and are at peace with that? Genuine question.

There is no evidence on this thread. No one here knows any more than what gets reported in the press. Why are you clinging on the comments that say nuclear war is likely as evidence it will happen, yet disregard the comments that say the opposite? You are already going into this with a specific scenario in your mind, and are looking for evidence/people who agree, to support that. That is classic anxiety, and you are feeding it. Why question why other people are not panicking? It comes across as a little 'Chicken Licken'

It’s similar to when people were worried about covid and people were dismissing this and asking posters if they had anxiety. There are numerous threads from two years ago when this happened and many posters said don’t be ridiculous it won’t affect us.

I am not particularly worried myself as there isn’t much point in worrying but it is a valid concern

@Quppity

It’s similar to when people were worried about covid and people were dismissing this and asking posters if they had anxiety. There are numerous threads from two years ago when this happened and many posters said don’t be ridiculous it won’t affect us.

I'm still not worried about Covid and never have been.

I haven't yet seen any convincing evidence yet. Putin is quite a different scenario to Covid.

Yes.

I think the chance of world annihilation is very small but still big enough to be very scary.

@FraterculaArctica

Those of you saying 'No, do you have anxiety?' - is it that you dismiss the lines of evidence on this thread, the other long running one and elsewhere exactly why this is likely [i.e you still think it's a vanishingly remote possibility], or is it that you have genuinely accepted that this is probably the end and are at peace with that? Genuine question.

But there's no evidence on this thread, the only evidence that nuclear war might be on the cards is that Putin has been rattling the sabre. On the other hand, you have evidence that it's not an immediate risk because America etc hasn't updated its alert level. That will be based on detailed intelligence that we don't have access to, and I'm inclined to trust it.

I'm more worried about nuclear conflict than I was a year ago, but I'm still not particularly worried. My main concern is for Ukraine. From a wider perspective, I'm certainly worried about the absolutely dire state of relations between Russia and the west and how that can be managed to prevent escalation in the future, but I'm not worried that the bombs are going to suddenly drop.

@FraterculaArctica

Those of you saying 'No, do you have anxiety?' - is it that you dismiss the lines of evidence on this thread, the other long running one and elsewhere exactly why this is likely [i.e you still think it's a vanishingly remote possibility], or is it that you have genuinely accepted that this is probably the end and are at peace with that? Genuine question.

There is no 'evidence' pointing us towards a likelihood of nuclear war happening - not on this thread or anywhere else available for public consumption, because unless you're privy to highly classified intelligence information then it's just people's opinions.

There is evidence of a long history of nuclear non-use, though, despite some very tense moments in history. There's even a book called 'The tradition of non-use of nuclear weapons'.

As @XenoBitch says, you're engaging in the classic anxiety led behaviours of ignoring posts that disagree with the source of your anxiety and latching on to those effectively saying "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE" despite those posters seeming to have no actual knowledge beyond the clickbait headlines they've not read beyond in the Daily Mail. It's confirmation bias at work - like when my anxiety was bad and Google told me I had cancer and was going to die, but I actually had a completely harmless, mildly enlarged lymph node after a cold.

I am worried about the rise of authoritarianism. I fully expect China to attack India in the near future. I also expect China and Russia to become ever more powerful. But that doesn't equate to preparing for death and giving up entirely.

I too have anxiety, but alot of people are very calming on these threads. Even I can see that there's no evidence that a nuclear threat is highly likely on these threads or in the news. Yes it's probably more likely, but still only a very small risk. I don't think there's any need to except that it's going to happen! What good is worrying going to do, it wouldn't change the outcome anyway.
There will be alot of people working to make sure this doesn't escalate and we just have to trust that it will be ok.

@Theyellowandthegreen It's very relevant for anyone reading this who might have anxiety. What's the point of worrying about something that probably isn't going to happen? Only because we have the benefit, ( or maybe not) of social media are we fed scaremongering articles on the daily from unreliable sources. As I said, this has been rumbling on for years, I could have given up 40 odd years ago because I thought the world was going to end, it didn't, I'm still here. The only reason we are hearing more about it now is because we have news at our fingertips and not always from a reputable source, the media always hypes everything up which doesn't help anybody. So you can spend your days worrying or get on and live your life. I know which I'll be doing.

We have been here before in the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was only 10 but I remember the Doomsday clock. I think we were at 2 or 3 minutes to midnight and destruction. And then Kruschev turned the ships carrying the missiles back and the crisis was over.
Let's hope the same thing happens. Putin might have run mad, in in which case there is no predicting what he will do; or he might be indulging in brinkmanship to see what he gets out of this. I think he cannot take more losses so will hammer Ukraine worse in the hope of submission. Whether that means chemical or nuclear is anyone's guess. His own government may in the end get rid of him. They won't fancy nuclear any more than we do.

No.
Because there are no winners.
We will be dead.
Compared to the rest of the wold, we are a tiny island. We will be wiped out in one hit.
We have absolutely zero control over any of it.

So for now, the sun is out and I have today.

First time poster.

I think those who are worried have every reason to be. These are unsettling times and the 24 hour media world we live in just amplifies those worries.
People fall into two camps. Those who don't worry about the things they can't control and those who worry exactly for the reason things are out of their control.
I tend to fall into the latter, unfortunately, but keep reminding myself of all the stuff that was supposed to happen because of Trump being in charge and had his 'finger on the button'. It didn't.
Then there was Brexit and there was going to be food shortages and a house price crash. Not happened.
The unemployment rate when furlough was stopped was, according to some reports, going to top 4 million. Nope.
Hospitals overwhelmed, food shortages due to supply chain problems, the list goes on.
It's normal to be worried and nobody should feel irrational for feeling like that. I am, a bit, but I try to concentrate on enjoying each day as much as I can and not to think too far into the future.

I don't think Putin is going to launch a strategic nuclear missile strike on a nato country.

The worry is that his brinkmanship leads to grey areas, someone makes a mistake, or someone reacts differently to a provocation than was expected. Then the tit for tat escalates.

@FraterculaArctica

Those of you saying 'No, do you have anxiety?' - is it that you dismiss the lines of evidence on this thread, the other long running one and elsewhere exactly why this is likely [i.e you still think it's a vanishingly remote possibility], or is it that you have genuinely accepted that this is probably the end and are at peace with that? Genuine question.

Would it make you feel better if we all agree that it's inevitable that we're going to die in a blinding flash of light and searing agony? Do you want us all to be bawling in the streets?

Would it make you feel better if we all agree that it's inevitable that we're going to die in a blinding flash of light and searing agony? Do you want us all to be bawling in the streets?

They do. Chicken Licken. Trying to whip us up into a mass hysteria.
A lot of posts on MN about this are just written panic attacks... and it is sad, and those posters need help.