“Getting ANY adult dog breed is strongly NOT recommended”

[tallulahtoo78]

From a dog expert interview on LBC discussing the utterly awful, tragic death of the 17 month old little girl.

*You might might want to take a look at the kennel club guide to staffys it had the nickname of "nanny dog"

Take you head out of the sun and daily mail for a second*

That's twice I've been accused of reading the mail. I don't actually. Id love for you to answer what purpose xl bullies serve, instead of just throwing insults around. Or maybe you actually have nothing else to add to this discussion.

I could call any breed a nanny dog. It might make more people buy one due to good branding. Doesn't make it true.

* Lets save the debate for another day. *

And what happens in that in between period when other children age vulnerable to utterly reckless parents taking on banned dogs / adult dogs

Of course some breeds are far more likely to turn but I wouldn't have a dog and a young child in the same place

Oh but staffies are nanny dogs, so going by some people's logic they're totally safe to have around children so that would be fine. They're very safe (but not chihuahuas).

@DogInATent

And yet rescues are berated on here for having rules and requirements for adoption.

Important to note that they are berated by parents, not dog owners.

Yes And I can remember a few posts on here from people who are having issues with the rescue dogs they got from abroad because UK Rescues wouldnt rehome to them, often due to young children in the house

@implantreplace

* Lets save the debate for another day. *

And what happens in that in between period when other children age vulnerable to utterly reckless parents taking on banned dogs / adult dogs

Exactly. We’ve had enough of these fatal attacks on children to know waiting for another day doesn’t help protect them.

@implantreplace...this "expert" said that adult rescue dogs shouldn't be placed with anyone, irrespective of whether or not they have children. Instead they should be placed with people who are "experienced" with rescue dogs. I am not sure how, in that scenario, people would become "experienced"? I suppose I could be classed as experienced now, but I had to start somewhere!! As it happens, my first rescue was a big old boy and a total softy. But, the rescue would not have placed him with me if I had young children (quite rightly)

@implantreplace

* Lets save the debate for another day. *

And what happens in that in between period when other children age vulnerable to utterly reckless parents taking on banned dogs / adult dogs

Because the nastiness on this thread is going to prevent a death? Really?

@Bearfrills

Newcastle Dog & Shelter Tizer No Comments595

Tizer – Dog Number 1889 – Age (approx) 6 years old – SBT X Shar pei – Arrival Date – January 2022.

Tizer needs an adult only home and to be the only animal in the home.

Tizer is a handsome lad who can be a real goof ball and never fails to bring a belly laugh to our days! He has a hilarious personality and has quickly became the jester of the shelter!

Tizer is strong as an ox and can be easily distracted, over-excited and boisterous, but he has a true heart of gold and, once he’s your friend, he wants to be your best friend forever! Prepare yourself to be covered in muddy pawprints as he jumps up desperate to get some fuss from you.

Tizer can be quite challenging; his size and strength alone can make him difficult to manage, and he can get overwhelmed easily. Tizer will need a physically strong owner with great patience and understanding to help him through the times he finds difficult. He would benefit massively from an owner who has a real interest and understanding of dog training and behaviours, and certainly experience of strong breeds would be beneficial.

We make no bones about it, we know Tizer will take up a lot of your time, and will demand a great deal of focus, but we also know the rewards will be massive as you watch him grown in confidence and encourage his brain to start choosing more positive behaviours. Tizer will be worth all of your hard work and he will repay you for your time and commitment with endless amounts of fun and love, ready to face many fun adventures as you face your new journey together.

This is extremely worrying.

That dog in a place with young children or smaller, well socialised dogs is a disaster waiting to happen.

The dog in this image is very aggressive and tore into a sweet dog, owner simpered and said
“ She’s just playing, shes a resssscyooooo “

The owner is grossly unsuitable in my opinion.
Admitted she ( the owner) “has anxiety “
Therefore takes on aggressive dog.

Great.

But the Dogs' Trust are those people who have the adverts begging for money any saying they'll never put a healthy dog to sleep.

Well you know what? When you have a dog who is so damaged and unpredictable, that's preferable to living in kennels for the rest of their lives. Other phrases from dog descriptions which should be ringing huge alarm bells:

"We don't have a lot of history on Bear but we do know that he has lived in the garden for quite a bit of his life so he will need a family that can help him adjust to life in a home" (2 year old Rotweiler)

"Billy can find new people or new situations overwhelming and can get worried quite easily which has resulted in a bite previously." (terrier cross)

" He is a very sweet boy who needs some TLC from an experienced family that can help him settle into his new home. He has always lived outside prior to coming into our care" (Stffordshire bull terrier, 5-7 years old)

"Toffee came to us after being found as a stray. He is looking for a new start in life and will need a confident owner who can continue with the training that he has started while with us." (English Mastiff, 5-7 years old)

A plethora of problem, adult dogs with no training, strays, kept outside. Bulldogs, mastiffs, rottweilers. Any one an accident waiting to happen.

@FoxyFoxyLoxy i have a dog similar to what @ChuckBerrysBoots has described. I have done what the rescue have asked and he a year later is a lovely little dog and i love him to bits. Not a hope of me putting him own, I have worked very hard with the rescue behaviorist to help him relax and get his aggression reduced. We have now realized he was very badly abused by a women between their 20's and 40's age bracket, Kept outside most of the time( shakes when the weather is bad) He shakes when he comes into the kitchen still. Goes mental if he sees a sweeping brush( obviously beaten with it). He is still a youngish dog about 6 or 7. His trust in humans was destroyed but the dog asleep under my desk at the moment is a completely different dog to the one snarling in the rescue kennels a year ago. Want keen on the car but now is like an excited child when the keys rattle and he sits up proud as punch in his car seat and belted. Yes i know that i have to keep an eye on him when he is out , i keep him to quiet areas and make sure he is in his safe space when visitors arrive. Am a big believer now there is no such thing as bad dogs only bad owners, and i commend the rescue for what the have done and making sure they picked the right person. Education is the key here. People need to learn how to treat and train dogs and children need to know how to treat a dog properly

I mean, I said it upthread but I'll say it again. My best friend is a police officer. The VAST majority of dog attacks he is called to involve 'family' breeds - specifically labradors and retrievers. They generally don't get reported if not fatal, and not from a banned or suspected banned breed. So we really do need to give up on the 'these breeds are dangerous and these breeds are not' rhetoric. Because that in itself is dangerous. ALL dogs have the potential to defend, bite or attack if they feel threatened. And a tiny person clambering over them, pulling their tail, shrieking may be that threat.

@Nobodycarestakeitelsewhere

*You might might want to take a look at the kennel club guide to staffys it had the nickname of "nanny dog"

Take you head out of the sun and daily mail for a second*

That's twice I've been accused of reading the mail. I don't actually. Id love for you to answer what purpose xl bullies serve, instead of just throwing insults around. Or maybe you actually have nothing else to add to this discussion.

I could call any breed a nanny dog. It might make more people buy one due to good branding. Doesn't make it true.

It's only a insult if the shoe fits.

Maybe someone just likes the look of that type of dog.

I'd think the kennel club would be a good authority on the temperament of differant dog breeds

I haven’t RTFT but I’d much prefer all rescue adult dogs seeking a home were put to sleep than see another child lose their life.
It is absolutely a price worth paying, and I’m saying this as a dog owner. I wouldn’t hesitate putting mine down if I thought he was a risk to any humans. I am not sentimental about dogs, they should always be bottom of the pile when ranked against humans, but I am aware that I am fairly alone in feeling this way as most dog owners I know treat their dogs like humans (even making them birthday cakes ffs). I treat mine exceptionally well and I love him but he is still a dog and I would never 100% trust him. RIP poor baby girl, I hope something changes as we have seen far too many tragic (but preventable if we had very strong legislation on dog owning and rehoming) incidents like this.

There no reason to ban them. Just because you do not lime something doesnt mean it should be banned

Its not about liking or disliking dogs. Its about preventing thousands of people every year admitted onto hospital wards with dog bite injuries. Many of these are children, some with life changing injuries. Injuries including amputations, facial injuries requiring surgical reconstruction, not to mention life long physiological injury

@PrivateHall

What a horrible unpleasant thread. A child has died, a family are grieving. Lets save the debate for another day. The blaming and indeed snobbery you are displaying op is absolutely disgusting.

As for the title of the op - so you would be happy for all adult dogs who find themselves homeless to be put to sleep? Really?

People have always discussed the news and always will... It is human nature and an outlet for the emotions we feel when faced with these awful stories.

I have 2 ckc spaniels and they’re not safe either. Lovely boys but one has anxious aggression. We have a baby and can never leave them together. Our other ckc is fine but nervous dogs can be just as dangerous as aggressive ones ☹️

Yet another innocent child savaged to death by an agressive dog. Is anything ever going to be done to prevent this. And yet more unpredictable potentially agressive problem dogs arriving in the country.

The nanny dog thing is still coming up. It was a marketing propaganda campaign invented in the 1970s to alleviate the fears people had about pits and sbts. It’s spouted time and time again by lovers of bull breeds who clearly haven’t researched the past of the pets they own.
All bulls are descended from animals bred for blood sport. They have a strong will and need a strong competent owner. There’s no getting away from that fact and encouraging young families to get bullies by crying nanny dog is idiotic at best.

Statistically the majority of fatal attacks have also been bull breeds. The facts is clearly there for anyone to research. So many more than any other breed including GSD/Rotties etc.

I don’t hate any dogs but I really wish people would be more careful. Every time it seems to be the same story. A newly aquired bull type breed, undertrained and under exercised, usually shown aggression before, mostly always young uncastrated males.

It’s really about education. People need to stop putting rose tinted glasses on and claiming any dog can be fixed with love and kisses. It’s not true, genetics plays a huge part in pretty much most of the dogs personality. People don’t buy collies and then act shocked when they want to herd but will happily buy an animal genetically predisposed to animal aggression with a huge prey drive and then wonder why it’s bitten another dog or a ‘prey like’ small child.

Don’t get me started on the constant complaints on rescues either. All day I listen to moanings of people complaining that they can’t get a dog from a reputable rescue because they have small children/cats/don’t have any experience in training a dog or owning a dog and work all day…maybe there’s a reason for the refusal then. Don’t worry though they will just fly one in instead

My heart breaks for the parents it really does but I think it’s time now for a huge change in the way dog ownership is policed and managed and the legalities of passing on dogs to other people needs to be more regulated.

Oh and just a disclaimer. I don’t hate bull breeds, far from it. I have met many lovely ones.
Would I have one around my dog? No. Would I have one around my child. No.
I wouldn’t object to experienced, responsible knowledgable owners owning them however but how can this possibly be policed?

I'd NEVER allow any child of mine to be around a dog unsupervised. i even had to be careful with my cats, one of my cats once bit my son's hand to the bone and he had to be hospitalised, my son had pulled her tail. i did not get rid of the cat as she was family but it made me think that animals whilst family members are always going to be unpredictable and when my son was young I kept them apart unless under my direct supervision.
But dogs can kill.

Because the nastiness on this thread is going to prevent a death? Really?

If it makes one parent of a young child reconsider a dog they're thinking of rehoming then it just might.

Any dog can attack despite it being a rescue/ home bred etc. I have a playpen and gates for a reason - my young lad will feed my dog from his highchair - one grab for a toy/ food can result in a attack

My best friend is a police officer. The VAST majority of dog attacks he is called to involve 'family' breeds - specifically labradors and retrievers.

Why are the police called in this instance? Who calls them?

*It's only a insult if the shoe fits.

Maybe someone just likes the look of that type of dog.

I'd think the kennel club would be a good authority on the temperament of differant dog breeds*

Nope. Liking the look of a dog isn't a good enough reason to get one actually. If you liked the look of a severely bracycephalic pug, who couldn't breathe, would that be a good enough reason to breed them until their nose had all but disappeared and they couldn't breathe without plastic surgery? Or you like the sloping back that's been gradually bred into German shepherd, so you continue to breed them more extreme so the dog can barely walk and certainly couldn't do a days work? Or maybe you like the heavy set build of a bulldog so you breed it so stocky and shortlegged that it has to give birth by c section or die? Or perhaps a cute little cavalier, you like the look of its domed head so you breed it so that it's skull is malformed and it dies of syringomyelia?

All things that your beloved kennel club has championed, encouraged and rewarded over the last few decades through breed standards and judging. So while you might think they're the eminent authority on healthy dogs, i beg to differ.

Poor girl. It doesn't sound like the dog was from a rescue who almost certainly wouldn't have rehomed to a family with a toddler.
We have a rescue that we rehomed when she was nine. Even though she has never given us any reason to worry that she would snap she is never in the same room as my toddler grandson because he's a toddler and he could unintentionally hurt the dog who could bite as a result.

@Deadringer

When are people going to learn to keep dogs away from babies.

Such a needless tragedy. Will people never learn?