“Getting ANY adult dog breed is strongly NOT recommended”

[tallulahtoo78]

From a dog expert interview on LBC discussing the utterly awful, tragic death of the 17 month old little girl.

It astounds me why people like you never blame the person on the other end of the lead

Because however these dogs are raised, they are ridiculously powerful and bred indiscriminately. Like it or not, genetics plays a huge part in a dogs temperament. They are not pets. They were bred to bait bulls and to fight. However nicely they're raised, they could turn any time they like and there's not a damn thing anyone could do.

Google XL bully and tell me what purpose those dogs serve.

@FacebookPhotos I don't think many of the "adopt don't shop" brigade have been in a rescue center. Our local one is full of jack Russell terriers and Staffordshire bull terriers, and the occasional Frenchie post lockdown. Neither of the former I would own with a child and I would want the latter due to health issues. I get the sentiment but the reality is very different. A dog should be a good fit for the family or it is more likely to be rehomed further down the line.

[quote DogInATent]@Nobodycarestakeitelsewhere

There's no place in society for pitbulls. There's a terrifying new trend of breeding them bigger and stronger, and training them as "security" dogs. They're calling them American bullies and XL bullies.

Do you work for the Daily Mail and just make this sort of stuff up?

An American Bulldog is the 'pedigree' equivalent of a Pitbull. Same dog with different paperwork. They've been around for many years. Slightly less common, but in use for many years, is labelling a Pitbull an Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier (a made-up name).

It doesn't help that like many other breed standards the Kennel Club version of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier has been getting smaller and slighter of stature, making normal SBTs look bigger by comparison. Or that the American Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a different (larger) breed to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier (although, to be fair, this distinction is better recognized in French BSL than anywhere else).

I'd challenge anyone that's calling for a ban on any of this type of breed to be able to identify the breeds they randomly mix up:

• Pitbull
• American Bulldog
• Staffordshire Terrier
• American Staffordshire Terrier
• Bull Terrier
• Bulldog
• French Bulldog

Or to name and identify the breeds they think are listed in the DDA without looking it up.[/quote]
ALL those dogs listed should be banned. Mix or not

Just looking at a local Facebook page where someone is showing off their Malamute which has its front paws on the sofa on which lies a baby aged about 4 months.

A very strong dog with a high prey drive for smaller creatures.

I don't understand why people take such risks

"Oh, he would never....."

No such thing.

"Oh he would be unlikely to...." yes, true, but the impact if he did...

People do not know how to risk assess.

I do not agree.

What a horrible unpleasant thread. A child has died, a family are grieving. Lets save the debate for another day. The blaming and indeed snobbery you are displaying op is absolutely disgusting.

As for the title of the op - so you would be happy for all adult dogs who find themselves homeless to be put to sleep? Really?

I’d never invite an unknown man (the adult dog) in to my home to live with my family. Even if social services (the rescue home) had been heavily involved with the placement and assured me all well. Even though SS didn’t really know all the details of the man’s past life and never would be able to because the man was mute.

So why the heck would I do the equivalent with an adult dog?

It's the second baby within a month to be killed by dogs. The last one was just 3 months old.

@Nobodycarestakeitelsewhere

It astounds me why people like you never blame the person on the other end of the lead

Because however these dogs are raised, they are ridiculously powerful and bred indiscriminately. Like it or not, genetics plays a huge part in a dogs temperament. They are not pets. They were bred to bait bulls and to fight. However nicely they're raised, they could turn any time they like and there's not a damn thing anyone could do.

Google XL bully and tell me what purpose those dogs serve.

You might might want to take a look at the kennel club guide to staffys it had the nickname of "nanny dog"

Take you head out of the sun and daily mail for a second .

I don't understand why people get so sentimental about dogs. If they are aggressive or unable to be homed they should be put to sleep. Very few people make a fuss about the thousands of farm animals killed every day so why the obsession with dogs?

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I'll probably get slated but I also think ALL bull terrier's should be banned. And that includes the Staffordshire bull terrier that for some reason loads of people love.

They seem so popular, however, it's only particular types of people that seem to like them. 
*I'm a professional, middle-class working pensioner and I love staffies. All those I've met have been lovely dogs. Do I fit your stereotype?

I've never had one though, I'm not a good enough trainer to deal with the separation anxiety they can be prone to.*

No....you don't fit the stereotype....but you also don't own a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. I suppose because your educated enough not to get one as they suffer separation anxiety which makes them anxious and unpredictable. So you've added weight to my argument that it is only certain types of people that own them.

The number of people I know that own them probably think they're MC. They're really not.

Totally agree.
Young children and dogs is always a risk.

@Flaxmeadow

There no reason to ban them. Just because you do not lime something doesnt mean it should be banned.

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This is absolutely shocking. Poor bloody dog being kept cooped up in a cage most of the time. What on earth are these dimwits thinking of ? If only this mum had had the sense to turn this dog into a shelter, where it probably would have been deemed too aggressive to be rehomed and would have been pts which would have bene kinder for it than living in a cage most of it's existence.

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@Flaxmeadow - thank you for proving my point. That people like you with kneejerk reactions against dogs won't actually read a list before wanting it banned.

@FourChimneys

I don't understand why people get so sentimental about dogs. If they are aggressive or unable to be homed they should be put to sleep. Very few people make a fuss about the thousands of farm animals killed every day so why the obsession with dogs?

Farm animals aren't killed because there's nobody to look after them and dogs aren't bred for food.

@FourChimneys

I don't understand why people get so sentimental about dogs. If they are aggressive or unable to be homed they should be put to sleep. Very few people make a fuss about the thousands of farm animals killed every day so why the obsession with dogs?

Well of course they should. However that isn't what op said, op is debating whether ALL adult dogs should be put to sleep due to finding themselves homeless - not just dogs who are aggressive. NOT the same thing, is it?

The reality is that some dogs are just more dangerous and this needs to be acknowledged.

No....you don't fit the stereotype....but you also don't own a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. I suppose because your educated enough not to get one as they suffer separation anxiety which makes them anxious and unpredictable. So you've added weight to my argument that it is only certain types of people that own them.

Do we fit your stereotype?
Middle-class, both post-graduate educated, professional, and owners of a Staffy.

@FourChimneys

I don't understand why people get so sentimental about dogs. If they are aggressive or unable to be homed they should be put to sleep. Very few people make a fuss about the thousands of farm animals killed every day so why the obsession with dogs?

I really don't know - it gets really silly. People love their cats but they don't behave like this about them.

Someone posted in our local Facebook group that his dog had been attacked by another dog when out in our local woods. Apparently the owner said it was the second time. Surely that dog should now be PTS because next time it might go for a small child and not a dog that was reasonably able to defend itself?

And another one available through the Dogs Trust in Glasgow - a "staffordshire cross" called Captain:

Captain is a loving and affectionate dog with his family but can be worried by new people, so having space to seperate him from visitors is ideal. He can also be reactive towards other dogs so having more rural areas to explore will make walkies more enjoyable for both Captain and his owner. He must be the only pet in the home and we are confident that he will enjoy being the centre of attention. He is very affectionate with his family, he will try to give kisses when he can and enjoys snuggles on the sofa. Despite this it would be best for Captain to live with children aged 16 years and older as we are unsure of his experience with young kids.

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Captain would prefer to have someone around for most of the day to help him adjust, but once settled he could be left for a couple of hours. He will need direct access to his own secure garden with 6ft fence to give him somewhere safe to enjoy some time off lead as he will need to remain on lead when in public places. This older gent deserves home comforts but is not quite ready to retire. He is sure to make an excellent companion in the right home.

@Notcontent

The reality is that some dogs are just more dangerous and this needs to be acknowledged.

The reality is that ALL dogs can be dangerous and this needs to be acknowledged. There is no such thing as "he would never". You never know when they might turn.

Of course some breeds are far more likely to turn but I wouldn't have a dog and a young child in the same place.

@PrivateHall

What a horrible unpleasant thread. A child has died, a family are grieving. Lets save the debate for another day. The blaming and indeed snobbery you are displaying op is absolutely disgusting.

As for the title of the op - so you would be happy for all adult dogs who find themselves homeless to be put to sleep? Really?

A child has unnecessarily died. The family may be grieving but that doesn't negate the fact that they have been negligent and parents who put their children in these situations should be charged.

The debate should be had, yes it's sad but it happens too often. The excuses are always the same and nothing changes. And what a bloody awful, painful way to die.

*A child has unnecessarily died. The family may be grieving but that doesn't negate the fact that they have been negligent and parents who put their children in these situations should be charged. The debate should be had, yes it's sad but it happens too often. The excuses are always the same and nothing changes. And what a bloody awful, painful way to die"

Indeed.