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Govt gives up on covid catch-up for kids and hopes you don't notice

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noblegiraffe · 12/03/2022 12:35

After the guy they specifically hired to come up with a covid catch-up plan for children resigned when the government said they weren't willing to spend the amount of money needed (£15 billion) and instead only about £3 billion, they said that the focus of the catch-up would be tutoring.

They then gave the tutoring contract to a Dutch HR firm because they bid the lowest (much better bids from experienced companies were rejected). This has turned into a slow-motion car crash where schools couldn't access tutors, websites didn't work, tutors couldn't be found.

The govt have now abandoned that and said that the tutoring money (£65 million, not billions) will be given directly to schools to source and fund their own tutors instead.

However, at the same time, targets have been dropped or watered down:

Tutors used to have to be graduates or qualified teachers. Now they merely need A-levels.

Group sizes were max 3, this is now max 6 pupils.

A requirement that 65% of targeted pupils were disadvantaged pupils has been ditched.

A thread on MN about whether children were recovering education-wise discussed how academically children seem to be ok, but socially and emotionally are still affected. (As this is MN, children of MNettters are more likely to be advantaged where the data shows that it's disadvantaged children most hit educationally, so they may have a false impression of the widespread educational impact.) However, as the sole govt focus was on educational catch-up (which has now basically fizzled out), there is no extra support for helping children emotionally or socially beyond that which schools can cobble together themselves with their limited resources. That's why the advisor resigned - he wanted a full package of support for children, physically, socially and educationally, and the lack of that is now becoming obvious.

In addition, CAMHS has basically collapsed, so there is very little professional mental health support available for children, and long, long waiting lists for those who meet the incredibly high threshold for referral.

Schools have just gone through an extremely difficult term, covid-wise. There has been massive staff and pupil absence. Far from being places of covid catch-up, many schools have struggled to staff the basic timetable, and pupils have had lack of consistency with supply staff. Exam classes have been left without specialist teaching. Despite schools now being provided with funding for tutoring, the idea that in maths we could actually find any tutors is challenging. We did have some timetabled intervention, but those teachers had to be redeployed to actual teaching because of staff absence.

Why aren't the government worried that they'll get found out?

Who is measuring the social and emotional well-being of children in a way that will actually have an impact on government policy? Parents seem remarkably reluctant to hold the government to account for their failings here.

What about exam results? Well, exam grades are decided in advance by the government. We know for a fact that pupils sitting GCSEs and A-levels this summer will come out with good results overall, because this has already been decided, regardless of their actual performance in the exams. So the public will see the exam results and figure that everything must be ok in schools because the kids are doing well in their exams. It's not ok, and don't be fooled.

This government still don't give a shit about your kids, or their education.

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MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2022 18:10

Cant I pretty much always talk about this from the viewpoint of what society should have done better for children

Re schools any post re my schools were generally positive, and I sent emails thanking them. It wasn’t about their efforts as they were iirc v good at managing what they did

FrippEnos · 13/03/2022 18:13

MarshaBradyo

Yes good to see you trying to shut this down. Nothing new there.

There's the twist, I'm not shutting anything down, I'm putting forward a PoV that you don't like

This site was an aggressive echo chamber thanks to many posters.

Yes, many teachers left due to how they were treated by various posters, but then that isn't what you mean is it?

the truth is that Education was in a lot of trouble before the pandemic, it got worse during the pandemic, and its getting even worse because the government don't give a shit, yet people are happy just to keep shooting the messenger.

cantkeepawayforever · 13/03/2022 18:15

Do you think your schools were atypical?

Or would you say that in general, schools managed what they did pretty well, within the hand that they were dealt, but that the Government's wider strategy was lacking, and that they could (by providing mitigations or somewhat different guidance) have done much better? Obviously some of this is hindsight - having endured further, higher waves, we know summer 2020 was low, though at the time if still felt very uncertain.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2022 18:20

@cantkeepawayforever

Do you think your schools were atypical?

Or would you say that in general, schools managed what they did pretty well, within the hand that they were dealt, but that the Government's wider strategy was lacking, and that they could (by providing mitigations or somewhat different guidance) have done much better? Obviously some of this is hindsight - having endured further, higher waves, we know summer 2020 was low, though at the time if still felt very uncertain.

Tbh I say they did well but in summer term we got very little. Just a couple of worksheets but it wasn’t something I responded to personally, frustrating but used other resources.

It was better in winter term but the hard part was always the isolation.

I’ve not really been interested in responding to my schools (other than to say thanks) or putting the onus on them. More interested in wider societal and ethical questions which have bugged me a lot throughout.

CallmeHendricks · 13/03/2022 19:11

If there were lots of "close the schools" threads, then don't dis-count those started by parents themselves.

Hercisback · 13/03/2022 19:34

Teaching unions are primarily there to protect the working rights of teachers. It would be lovely if those rights coincided with what is best for the children (and they overwhelmingly do) but why are we surprised that unions were (initially) against online teaching? It was something unknown, there were all kinds of horror stories of hacked zoom calls, safeguarding issues with cameras, vile tiktok videos being shared.

We can't undo the past whatever side of the school closure fence you sit on. We can change the future; by funding education properly, funding youth support services properly and hopefully seeing some societal shift towards teaching being an attractive profession.

BogRollBOGOF · 13/03/2022 19:56

@cantkeepawayforever

Do you think your schools were atypical?

Or would you say that in general, schools managed what they did pretty well, within the hand that they were dealt, but that the Government's wider strategy was lacking, and that they could (by providing mitigations or somewhat different guidance) have done much better? Obviously some of this is hindsight - having endured further, higher waves, we know summer 2020 was low, though at the time if still felt very uncertain.

Our school didn't manage it consistently within the school. Teacher A created resources that could be dojoed out and printed and were good to go. Teacher B sent photos of books/ screens that were unprintable, and often just the SoW notes rather than an actual daily plan. I gave up and just did bitesize after two weeks because trying to print around DH's very, very important business calls, and create appropriate resources for DS1 with his SENs, and teach DS2 who at 6 was just too immature to cope was too much to cope with.

But when I mentioned this discrepency on a school themed thread in summer 2020, I was the devil incarnate and bombed with loads of daffodils for having the audacity to teacher-bash. I am an experienced teacher and I'd have been put on capability by my last employer for submitting the work that teacher B did if it had been cover work let alone going out to parents.

As to socialising, not only did my children lose 6 months of access to their peers, we had to endure hearing the sound of them playing outside carrying over on the wind from the school playground especially in the summer when the windows were open and it carried into the house. I never thought I could loathe the sound of children playing Sad

Yes, it was the government, and it sure as heck, especially in January 2020 was the NEU as well. And our dip-shit local authority is still bulking up the risk assessments with pointless crap like walking around a one way system outdoors Confused Some decisions were school based like not holding sports days which being outside were naturally safe anyway and filled with people who already mixed twice daily on school drop-offs.

Frankly I'm stunned my children aren't further behind and I must have somehow dripped enough into them not to fall too far behind, but they did have the advantage of an experienced teacher mother, lots of books and resources, time, and me being on a mission to keep them living in the real world as much as I could get away with. With DS1's ASD and propensity for anxiety, the news was turned of and the matter turned into a minor temporary inconvenience as much as we could.

Cherrycrush · 13/03/2022 20:46

The daffodils and the not-so-cryptic messages on the staff room threads about any poster who dared to think schools closing wasn’t in the best interests of children was awful.

Really, really unpleasant.

Hercisback · 13/03/2022 20:50

@Cherrycrush

Yet the constant abuse of teachers on MN was fine?

The same posters turning up timenand time again to teacher bash, is fine?

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2022 20:52

@Cherrycrush

The daffodils and the not-so-cryptic messages on the staff room threads about any poster who dared to think schools closing wasn’t in the best interests of children was awful.

Really, really unpleasant.

It was bad enough on main boards
Cherrycrush · 13/03/2022 21:11

@Hercisback I don’t doubt there was some teacher bashing, but it got to the point where any questioning of a teacher, any dissatisfaction with a teacher, any wondering if a teacher was anything but wonderful, was deemed ‘teacher bashing’ and it isn’t.

It was extremely disruptive and it did frequently border on bullying.

Hercisback · 13/03/2022 21:14

It was extremely disruptive and it did frequently border on bullying

Exactly how I'd describe what happened to teachers during the pandemic on these boards. Hence the creation of the staffroom.

Now back to the thread.... Are you going to do anything to tackle school underfunding and more lies from the government?

Cherrycrush · 13/03/2022 21:16

No.

Acting like I’m personally responsible for the situation schools are in is utterly preposterous.

And it also doesn’t negate the point that the treatment of concerned parents on here during and between school closures was awful.

noblegiraffe · 13/03/2022 21:19

@cantkeepawayforever

Teen, I agree. Catch up is failing because the gaps are still being created AND the programme to fill them is chaotic and ill-conceived. There is little or no emotional / MH ‘catch up’ - existing services are broken - so those most in need are not getting the help they really require.
Yes, as I said upthread, this last year hasn't been a year of catch-up for kids in schools, its been a year that they will need catching up from. And yet efforts to do this are being phased out rather than ramped up.

We are now so far removed from school closures as well, that trying to target catch-up for kids based on who missed things in lockdown is a pointless waste of time. Kids have been missing school left, right and centre and that is harder to plan for as each child has different gaps.

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CallmeHendricks · 13/03/2022 21:23

"Acting like I’m personally responsible for the situation schools are in is utterly preposterous."

And yet, that is EXACTLY what so many on this thread and others seem to hold teachers for.

Hercisback · 13/03/2022 21:24

I didn't say you were personally responsible. I expect that if you are so concerned about schools and education you'd be regularly writing to your MP and not voting tory.

The bullying and treatment of school staff on this board led directly to teachers leaving the profession. The media spin on 'lazy teachers' has created a narrative, again meaning teachers are leaving in droves. The government cannot recruit enough to replace those that are leaving.

However if you feel your actions towards teachers are justified then please carry on. If you think that rehashing arguments about school closures is in any way beneficial, please carry on.

Cherrycrush · 13/03/2022 21:25

Possibly some do but I think they’ve well and truly been dissuaded of that notion, by now Hmm and if they haven’t, nothing will make them get it.

For the most part, I saw posters being very loyal to their schools and class teachers. I usually saw / see comments along the line of ‘well my Dcs teacher has been great and has tried so hard BUT’ - and it’s that but, isn’t it? That’s the problem.

FrippEnos · 13/03/2022 21:25

Cherrycrush

It was extremely disruptive and it did frequently border on bullying

It wasn't MN's finest time of moderation. They allowed far to much mis-information and crap to be posted about an entire profession.

Cherrycrush · 13/03/2022 21:30

I am a teacher, @Hercisback, and have been for a long, long time now. I am fairly confident that whoever was voted in it would be a matter of SSDD.

Lockdown was inevitable to a point but, as someone has already said, there were points where children should have been prioritised and they were not.

There were also as we know some exceptionally tragic cases of safeguarding fails during this time.

The prevailing view on here is that if schools were safe, they could stay open and all would be well. I just don’t see how that could happen. I somehow managed to avoid covid - no idea how - then caught it at a wedding in the Christmas holidays, missed the first week of the new term. Of course that caused disruption to my classes, but I am not going to avoid living a normal life for this reason.

In other words, I suppose, I fully expected to get covid at some point. I can’t say I found this particularly alarming or lamentable; it just was.

Cherrycrush · 13/03/2022 21:31

Interestingly @FrippEnos I felt that MN should have done more to stop various teachers piling on individuals. Perhaps the fact we both think they didn’t do enough from opposite perspectives shows they were about right? Smile

Hercisback · 13/03/2022 21:35

The prevailing view on here is that if schools were safe, they could stay open and all would be well.

I don't think anyone was under any illusions schools would (or could) be truly covid safe. However there were things the government could have done to make the situation better. Almost all the government actions (and the DfE) during the pandemic were badly timed, badly thought out and just a bit shit.

Similarly I wasn't afraid of getting covid. I haven't had it yet and I don't know how. But I saw a colleague in ICU for weeks and another suffering 2 years later. I know it's unlikely I'll have either experience, especially with 3 vaccines. My colleagues didn't have that chance.

Hercisback · 13/03/2022 21:37

Should say 'my colleagues didn't have that option (vaccines)'.

Cherrycrush · 13/03/2022 21:38

I’m sorry about your colleagues and I (genuinely) extend my best wishes for their recovery Flowers these things are always more close to home when we know someone personally who has been affected.

FrippEnos · 13/03/2022 21:53

@Cherrycrush

Interestingly *@FrippEnos* I felt that MN should have done more to stop various teachers piling on individuals. Perhaps the fact we both think they didn’t do enough from opposite perspectives shows they were about right? Smile
Or they just didn't do enough to stop either side. Either way we will never know if they could have done better.

I don't know what its like at your school at the moment but we have far more people off than we have ever had, both pupils and teachers.

The only real difference is that now we don't know if its Covid or not as the school has stopped publishing the figures and we can't get cover teachers in even though we are a school that has neve had that issue before because there just aren't enough to cover all the absences in the area. .

Cherrycrush · 13/03/2022 22:00

I don't know what its like at your school at the moment but we have far more people off than we have ever had, both pupils and teachers.

Yes, same.

I think unfortunately it is inevitable. I do not know what if anything could be done about this. I think anything that could be done to ‘make schools safer’ ultimately causes far more disruption. In the meantime, better in and things not be ideal, than out.

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