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Govt gives up on covid catch-up for kids and hopes you don't notice

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noblegiraffe · 12/03/2022 12:35

After the guy they specifically hired to come up with a covid catch-up plan for children resigned when the government said they weren't willing to spend the amount of money needed (£15 billion) and instead only about £3 billion, they said that the focus of the catch-up would be tutoring.

They then gave the tutoring contract to a Dutch HR firm because they bid the lowest (much better bids from experienced companies were rejected). This has turned into a slow-motion car crash where schools couldn't access tutors, websites didn't work, tutors couldn't be found.

The govt have now abandoned that and said that the tutoring money (£65 million, not billions) will be given directly to schools to source and fund their own tutors instead.

However, at the same time, targets have been dropped or watered down:

Tutors used to have to be graduates or qualified teachers. Now they merely need A-levels.

Group sizes were max 3, this is now max 6 pupils.

A requirement that 65% of targeted pupils were disadvantaged pupils has been ditched.

A thread on MN about whether children were recovering education-wise discussed how academically children seem to be ok, but socially and emotionally are still affected. (As this is MN, children of MNettters are more likely to be advantaged where the data shows that it's disadvantaged children most hit educationally, so they may have a false impression of the widespread educational impact.) However, as the sole govt focus was on educational catch-up (which has now basically fizzled out), there is no extra support for helping children emotionally or socially beyond that which schools can cobble together themselves with their limited resources. That's why the advisor resigned - he wanted a full package of support for children, physically, socially and educationally, and the lack of that is now becoming obvious.

In addition, CAMHS has basically collapsed, so there is very little professional mental health support available for children, and long, long waiting lists for those who meet the incredibly high threshold for referral.

Schools have just gone through an extremely difficult term, covid-wise. There has been massive staff and pupil absence. Far from being places of covid catch-up, many schools have struggled to staff the basic timetable, and pupils have had lack of consistency with supply staff. Exam classes have been left without specialist teaching. Despite schools now being provided with funding for tutoring, the idea that in maths we could actually find any tutors is challenging. We did have some timetabled intervention, but those teachers had to be redeployed to actual teaching because of staff absence.

Why aren't the government worried that they'll get found out?

Who is measuring the social and emotional well-being of children in a way that will actually have an impact on government policy? Parents seem remarkably reluctant to hold the government to account for their failings here.

What about exam results? Well, exam grades are decided in advance by the government. We know for a fact that pupils sitting GCSEs and A-levels this summer will come out with good results overall, because this has already been decided, regardless of their actual performance in the exams. So the public will see the exam results and figure that everything must be ok in schools because the kids are doing well in their exams. It's not ok, and don't be fooled.

This government still don't give a shit about your kids, or their education.

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Papertyger · 13/03/2022 16:54

Noble, I'm not sure who does" give a shit about " it though because it as sure as hell wasn't the union's asking teachers not to embrace zoom/Google meet/ etc.

There was a marked difference between the schools that kept going, days after the first ever lock down, with registers, children monitored just as if they were in school and those that dropped their children like hot potatoes then posted pics of teachers making mask's on sm

I tried And tried and tried to pull some work out for my dd who we suspect has dyslexia or sen.
I was dodged, rebuffed with the Idea being that it would disadvantage the other DC to assist mine.
Even though mine is already at a disadvantage.
Confused

Many schools got on line and ploughed on. Unfortunately others thrived on excuses.

  • Teachers are not responsible for schools policy, teachers have ended up on a front line in very scary times with nothing but an open window to combat COVID.

The government has been beyond appalling When it's come to mitigate COVID or support teachers.

They have my full support over COVID in those respects.

But , don't try and tell me that union's care for my children either.

bookworm14 · 13/03/2022 17:07

There absolutely were multiple posts calling for schools to be closed. Astonishing that anyone would deny it.

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2022 17:08

@bookworm14

There absolutely were multiple posts calling for schools to be closed. Astonishing that anyone would deny it.
Glad you agree Bookworm. So bizarre to see the denials.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Cherrycrush · 13/03/2022 17:11

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/carers/4503437-become-a-teaching-assistant-for-better-work-life-balance

Thread here where someone is being told that becoming a TA isn't worth the low pay for having the holidays, for example. She explains that working from home means she doesn't need childcare in term time, just the holidays, so clearly some employers aren't fussed about homeworkers doing the school run and avoiding wrap-around care.

Her children are in school, is why.

Cherrycrush · 13/03/2022 17:12

@bookworm14

There absolutely were multiple posts calling for schools to be closed. Astonishing that anyone would deny it.
Yes, there were.
toomuchlaundry · 13/03/2022 17:15

Most of the posters asking for schools to be closed weren’t teachers, teachers were asking for schools to be safe. Schools were never fully closed.

Many posters accused people like Noble that they were demanding that schools be closed, these posters either couldn’t read or were being goady

Cherrycrush · 13/03/2022 17:18

The problem is (and I am not stating anything one way or the other) when you say you don’t want schools closed, but then want a long list of things that mean partial closure is inevitable, it is easy to see why misunderstandings might happen.

noblegiraffe · 13/03/2022 17:19

I posted my list upthread. 🤷‍♀️

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MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2022 17:20

Cherry yep the school being open to some doesn’t do anything for the other half who had two terms out, or more.

noblegiraffe · 13/03/2022 17:30

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Cherrycrush · 13/03/2022 17:31

I don’t think you can.

You can’t turn back time.

cantkeepawayforever · 13/03/2022 17:32

@MarshaBradyo

Cherry yep the school being open to some doesn’t do anything for the other half who had two terms out, or more.
But nor does it mean that the schools were closed? If the Government said I had to be in school to teach no more than 15 kids in a classroom, and that those children had to be from a specific year, that doesn’t mean I wasn’t working, and it doesn’t mean the schools were closed.

Those people who say that schools should have been open as normal throughout (no social distancing, no mitigations, no smaller numbers per class), could you explain why it would have been ‘better’ to have had the resulting number of deaths amongst children, teachers and families than to have to catch up educationally? Why should the Government’s failure to organise catch up be turned into ‘it would have been better for more to become ill and die’ rather than the correctly-targeted anger at the Government’s incompetence at organising effective catch up provision??? I think you want the actual death toll BUT full schools throughout- which you can’t get, because the Government did not make schools safer.

toomuchlaundry · 13/03/2022 17:33

So you don’t think children can be helped to catch up academically @Cherrycrush?

Cherrycrush · 13/03/2022 17:35

No, not to that extent. I don’t think you can replicate the sort of learning that would have happened naturally in a crammed hourly session once a week.

cantkeepawayforever · 13/03/2022 17:35

Oh, and the biggest reason why catch up is failing? Education still being missed because teachers and students are still falling ill and being too ill to teach / learn. Hospitalisation and deaths going up again, so this state of affairs is still continuing… and no, lifting of mandatory isolation isn’t helping, because so many are far too ill to be in school regardless.

cantkeepawayforever · 13/03/2022 17:36

(Viral load in schools = more severe illness)

TeenPlusCat · 13/03/2022 17:45

@cantkeepawayforever

Oh, and the biggest reason why catch up is failing? Education still being missed because teachers and students are still falling ill and being too ill to teach / learn. Hospitalisation and deaths going up again, so this state of affairs is still continuing… and no, lifting of mandatory isolation isn’t helping, because so many are far too ill to be in school regardless.
Plus, some more vulnerable children are suffering MH issues which is still keeping them away from the classroom.
cantkeepawayforever · 13/03/2022 17:48

Teen, I agree. Catch up is failing because the gaps are still being created AND the programme to fill them is chaotic and ill-conceived. There is little or no emotional / MH ‘catch up’ - existing services are broken - so those most in need are not getting the help they really require.

FrippEnos · 13/03/2022 17:55

@MarshaBradyo

Ready I did too re MP

So many close the schools threads on here. Depressing. But this is the outcome

There were certainly many schools should have mitigations that allow them to stay open threads.

But then even on those threads, you and others decided to twist what was being said.

Good to see that nothing has changed.

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2022 17:56

But nor does it mean that the schools were closed? If the Government said I had to be in school to teach no more than 15 kids in a classroom, and that those children had to be from a specific year, that doesn’t mean I wasn’t working, and it doesn’t mean the schools were closed.

Obviously when people posted close the schools it was short hand for close to all bar kw / v. It was common knowledge so wasn’t needed as clarification.

But if you were unlucky to fall in the groups that did not attend at all in summer term, then again in Jan 21 they were certainly closed to your dc. It didn’t feel that great that socialisation was for some as it wasn’t any help.

In terms of illness and numbers we always had the strategy to avoid hospitalisation being overwhelmed. In summer 20 when it was flat dc should have been prioritised, not just some but all.

And the ethics of harming one group for the benefit of another should have been discussed more, as dc suffered harms from approach but low risk.

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2022 17:57

But then even on those threads, you and others decided to twist what was being said.

Here we go. What is twisted?

TheNeverEndingIllness · 13/03/2022 17:59

@EnglishGirlApproximately

In my experience if DS' primary schoolhas been much worse since returning. During closure we had some routine and consistency and while home schooling was challenging we knew what was needed and were able to support at home (I am of course aware that not all children have parents willing and / or able to do so).

Since returning the sheer amount of staff and pupil absence, huge deterioration in behaviour of many pupils and lack of extra resource to get children back into school routine has meant that education is suffering hugely. DS has had no consistent teacher for over a month and is largely taught by a succession of TAs. Every day the class is moved into the hall because of two children's violent behaviour who have to be contained in a classroom. They are kissing lessons daily due to the disruption from poor behaviour. I'm at my wits end. There are a significant number of children simply not coping with being in school since covid. I wish I had an answer (,other than don't vote tory)

@EnglishGirlApproximately I agree with this, my own DD couldn't access home learning but what she's getting now is far worse.

Stuck in class bubbles so no interaction with the older or younger year groups so behaviour is off the scale bad (this is a middle class state school which is at PAN but not over subscribed). They do no indoor PE only outdoor so when the weathers bad they do nothing at all, so the children are getting noticably heavier.

They had no hot lunches for the entire Autumn term due to staff shortages in the company that provides the staff and classroom doors and windows where open so kids where freezing, no environment to learn in.

Kids are in and out of school, not allowed to attend if on antibiotics so those most in need of education aren't there.

At least at home we were warm, had a routine, and access to hot food and drinks when needed. We also didn't have a single illness for 2 years to stop her missing out further.

It's an absolute s**t show and I'm not blaming my DDs school at all.

FrippEnos · 13/03/2022 18:04

MarshaBradyo

Here we go.

As is you and others aren't already 'going' on this thread at various posters.

What is twisted?

What people posted as per my post.

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2022 18:05

Good to see that nothing has changed.

Yes good to see you trying to shut this down. Nothing new there.

This site was an aggressive echo chamber thanks to many posters.

cantkeepawayforever · 13/03/2022 18:07

@MarshaBradyo

But nor does it mean that the schools were closed? If the Government said I had to be in school to teach no more than 15 kids in a classroom, and that those children had to be from a specific year, that doesn’t mean I wasn’t working, and it doesn’t mean the schools were closed.

Obviously when people posted close the schools it was short hand for close to all bar kw / v. It was common knowledge so wasn’t needed as clarification.

But if you were unlucky to fall in the groups that did not attend at all in summer term, then again in Jan 21 they were certainly closed to your dc. It didn’t feel that great that socialisation was for some as it wasn’t any help.

In terms of illness and numbers we always had the strategy to avoid hospitalisation being overwhelmed. In summer 20 when it was flat dc should have been prioritised, not just some but all.

And the ethics of harming one group for the benefit of another should have been discussed more, as dc suffered harms from approach but low risk.

I agree that the benefit of attending school should have been shared more fairly in summer 2020. A huge number of schools prepared plans for rota systems that allowed this - every child in school part time.

Then the Government, at the 12th hour, said no rotas, so schools could not implement these plans. Government, not schools - again.