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Govt gives up on covid catch-up for kids and hopes you don't notice

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noblegiraffe · 12/03/2022 12:35

After the guy they specifically hired to come up with a covid catch-up plan for children resigned when the government said they weren't willing to spend the amount of money needed (£15 billion) and instead only about £3 billion, they said that the focus of the catch-up would be tutoring.

They then gave the tutoring contract to a Dutch HR firm because they bid the lowest (much better bids from experienced companies were rejected). This has turned into a slow-motion car crash where schools couldn't access tutors, websites didn't work, tutors couldn't be found.

The govt have now abandoned that and said that the tutoring money (£65 million, not billions) will be given directly to schools to source and fund their own tutors instead.

However, at the same time, targets have been dropped or watered down:

Tutors used to have to be graduates or qualified teachers. Now they merely need A-levels.

Group sizes were max 3, this is now max 6 pupils.

A requirement that 65% of targeted pupils were disadvantaged pupils has been ditched.

A thread on MN about whether children were recovering education-wise discussed how academically children seem to be ok, but socially and emotionally are still affected. (As this is MN, children of MNettters are more likely to be advantaged where the data shows that it's disadvantaged children most hit educationally, so they may have a false impression of the widespread educational impact.) However, as the sole govt focus was on educational catch-up (which has now basically fizzled out), there is no extra support for helping children emotionally or socially beyond that which schools can cobble together themselves with their limited resources. That's why the advisor resigned - he wanted a full package of support for children, physically, socially and educationally, and the lack of that is now becoming obvious.

In addition, CAMHS has basically collapsed, so there is very little professional mental health support available for children, and long, long waiting lists for those who meet the incredibly high threshold for referral.

Schools have just gone through an extremely difficult term, covid-wise. There has been massive staff and pupil absence. Far from being places of covid catch-up, many schools have struggled to staff the basic timetable, and pupils have had lack of consistency with supply staff. Exam classes have been left without specialist teaching. Despite schools now being provided with funding for tutoring, the idea that in maths we could actually find any tutors is challenging. We did have some timetabled intervention, but those teachers had to be redeployed to actual teaching because of staff absence.

Why aren't the government worried that they'll get found out?

Who is measuring the social and emotional well-being of children in a way that will actually have an impact on government policy? Parents seem remarkably reluctant to hold the government to account for their failings here.

What about exam results? Well, exam grades are decided in advance by the government. We know for a fact that pupils sitting GCSEs and A-levels this summer will come out with good results overall, because this has already been decided, regardless of their actual performance in the exams. So the public will see the exam results and figure that everything must be ok in schools because the kids are doing well in their exams. It's not ok, and don't be fooled.

This government still don't give a shit about your kids, or their education.

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TeenPlusCat · 13/03/2022 11:25

My DD was massively impacted by the pandemic. I'm not sure whether 'catch up funding' is meant to go up as far as y12s who didn't pass their GCSEs, but if so we haven't visibly seen any of it.

Two things I never understood though:

  1. Where were all the tutors going to miraculously appear from
  2. When were children meant to access tutoring? They have a full school day already so either they are being taken out of classes to access tutoring, or it is extra at the end of the day when they are already tired.

I'd put the money into CAHMS / equivalent and summer schools rather than trying to do 'more' in term time.

Onionpatch · 13/03/2022 11:33

I can only assume education isnt a vote winner/loser for the Tories.

I dont really see why people on this thread are arguing about schoool closures. Whats done is done. Its had an impact. The response from the government seems to be lets pretend it hasnt had an impact and leave schools struggling.

Regardless of any covid catch up, where i govern, we are just about to approve a budget which reduces our staffing cost by 10% because we would have been in deficit and we spent all the surpus now. This is impacting on the quality of education and the biggest impact is on the most vulnerable. Someone has likened SEN children to canaries in a mine. When they are struggling due to lack of support its a warning sign a school is about to run out air. It make me beyond angry that we have to sign off a budget and offer a worse education we could offer just a few years ago and balance the books, but due to rusing costs and budget cuts we cant. Just at a time when children need more not less.

noblegiraffe · 13/03/2022 11:39

My DD was massively impacted by the pandemic. I'm not sure whether 'catch up funding' is meant to go up as far as y12s who didn't pass their GCSEs, but if so we haven't visibly seen any of it.

Which is mad, because your DD ticks all the boxes for someone who not only needs extra support, but should be entitled to it. I believe there was tuition funding for colleges, so god knows where that went.

What has been implemented has been so badly managed and so unevenly applied. Making schools pay for the first 25% of tuition costs, for example, priced a few out of the market straight away.

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CallmeHendricks · 13/03/2022 11:43

"and when statistics came out to prove school staff were not at higher risk from covid harms than other occupations during the pandemic (lower risk actually)"
But unfortunately (for the point you're trying to make), those statistics have long been de-bunked and the up-to-date figures show school staff to have been quite substantially more at risk than other professions/jobs.
But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of you trying to discredit the OP (who, incidentally, has been proven right in nearly all of what she predicted from Day One about schools and the pandemic).

CallmeHendricks · 13/03/2022 11:47

And, once again (Gosh, this is like being stuck in Groundhog Day), we have posters lamenting school closures during the pandemic as if teachers were personally responsible for it. As it should be plain for all to see, not only does the Government not give one shiny shit about your children, it sure as HELL doesn't care about teachers (and even less their unions) and what they say, so I think you're directing your venom in the wrong direction.

noblegiraffe · 13/03/2022 11:49

Regardless of any covid catch up, where i govern, we are just about to approve a budget which reduces our staffing cost by 10% because we would have been in deficit and we spent all the surplus now.

This is absolutely ridiculous and should be headlines. Schools having to make staffing cuts at a time when kids need more support than ever is outrageous.

I know that schools who have to negotiate new energy contracts at the moment are deeply in the shit financially too, but that moment will be facing all schools down the line.

Staffing cuts have been happening since 2010, our TA provision was the first to go, since then we have cut GCSE and A-level courses, increased class sizes and various other measures. Schools were already working with a skeleton staff so further cuts will be devastating.

I think if we want kids to catch up from the pandemic, then schools need massive funding and more staff. Trying to target individual kids with some zoom tutoring after school isn't going to have wide and sustained impact.

More pastoral staff, including for mental health, more TAs, smaller classes would help all kids.

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MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2022 11:52

Whats done is done.

Sadly this will be the view of many, the time to stop damage accumulating was during it. But opposition was fairly consistent.

CallmeHendricks · 13/03/2022 11:59

The damage is on-going, Marsha, as teachers on here will testify. Fancy writing a letter to your MP about it? School staff are on their knees trying to deal with it, but are being cut down at every turn.
And don't underestimate the damage that loud opinions on the internet blaming teachers for things way beyond their remit is doing, either.

GiveMeNovocain · 13/03/2022 12:06

@CallmeHendricks

And, once again (Gosh, this is like being stuck in Groundhog Day), we have posters lamenting school closures during the pandemic as if teachers were personally responsible for it. As it should be plain for all to see, not only does the Government not give one shiny shit about your children, it sure as HELL doesn't care about teachers (and even less their unions) and what they say, so I think you're directing your venom in the wrong direction.
Unions and teachers campaigned for closures, made it as hard as possible to get children back to school, refused to teach online live lessons until they were forced to. Lamenting now about the damage they demanded and claiming it was nothing to do with them sticks in my craw
DoubleShotEspresso · 13/03/2022 12:10

@HesterShaw1

If schools hadn't been shut for months unnecessarily, this thread wouldn't exist.
What a ridiculous inaccurate statement
CallmeHendricks · 13/03/2022 12:11

They campaigned for safer conditions in schools. The Government ignored them.
The only reason they closed schools in Jan 2020 was due to the undeniable crisis building in hospitals (and morgues) - nothing to do with protecting school staff/acknowledging their (perfectly reasonable) concerns.
And did you ever consider that one of the reasons teachers were unable to get fully on board with online lessons in those early days was because of the woeful lack of effective IT to support it? I still have no work laptop, and everything I sent out from home was at my own expense.

DoubleShotEspresso · 13/03/2022 12:12

@balalake

OP, the government led by an Old Etonian have never cared about state education.
This👆🏻
Onionpatch · 13/03/2022 12:15

People seem to be saying the government made the wrong call on school closures so we shouldnt do anything to mitigate the impact of that choice now. Even though we could.

Bonkers!

CallmeHendricks · 13/03/2022 12:15

@lljkk
Stats

CoffeeWithCheese · 13/03/2022 12:17

@MarshaBradyo

I doubt it

More that posters warned this shit show would happen

Was happening. Hence writing to MPs and vocalising that concern.

But everyone was intent on keeping children out of schools as much as possible. Awful to see and frustrating but I’m not surprised.

We were insulted, harassed off the site in a number of instances, had shit dragged across thread after thread and regularly accused of attempting to murder grannies, teachers, cats, dogs and probably tortoises too. We were told that we had to teach our kids "resilience" and how to "put others first"... and our kids did this - for a massive proportion of their lives - if you went into this aged 6, you came out around age 8 - and kids change so much by then.

Sorry, but the one who only cares about making schools safe wanted them closed - posted endless endless threads of lies about any parents trying to get their kids an education (were we being bankrolled by the Russians, Trump or Eton? Think it was all of them at various points) and the "I want schools safe" threads were basically a list of demands they wanted which were completely unrealistic, and they KNEW they were unrealistic, just so they could try to semantically sidestep actually saying those words.

There WERE teachers out there who completely used Covid as an excuse to take the piss and do the sharp end of fuck all. There was a sickening amount of variability in what schools presented as "remote learning" (I do NOT refer to the initial lockdown where the school curriculum was suspended and everyone was winging it a lot, but the second school closure period where schools were expected to be delivering things remotely). From schools where the interaction was actual taught lessons online, to schools where it was a 10 minute video call to tick off that the kids were all still physically alive so we can tick that "safeguarding" box and then shoving some utterly inappropriate shit up they'd pulled off Twinkl.

I actually can't fault our local CAMHS - they're doing their damndest to start to repair the mess and they've got lower-tier intervention in place to try to pick up cases earlier - I had to contact them regarding one of my kids recently and they've gone through the referral, contacted me and the school and are out working with the child in question in about a month. By and large - the NHS departments like OT, SLT etc are running themselves ragged trying to fix the mess - with the odd person more concerned about complaining about it than doing anything... but those special snowflake teachers - who sat online and rabble-roused for months and months to come down harder on the kids, give them more rules, close schools or run ridiculous part-time timetables to try to claim education was happening - and the ones who were downright abusive to parents who were having to deal with all of the fallout... and now are trying to re-write history and complaining the Govt isn't going to dig them out of the hole they've got into regarding standards and gaping holes in curriculum coverage - and that the parents didn't do the job that they'd offloaded onto them properly - and are quite frankly beginning to shit themselves about when the results are going to go to crap... sorry, but we remember. We remember, my kids remember, and we won't forget.

And as for "we did it all properly - blame the parents' shite. My kids have a parent who IS up to date on the current curriculum and doesn't descend to a quivering wreck when confronted with a Maths worksheet that they have no clue how it's being taught, or an English worksheet with no explanation that launches into fronted adverbials. One child - who had a teacher who really was trying their best to make sure the kids had GOOD lesson input and support from home and work was explained... has got through academically just fine. The other child, whose teacher did the quick check they're alive and then shoved Twinkl shit up and sulked if it was returned for her to actually mark... despite me picking up the slack massively - she's gone from being above expected to below - an appalling slide and I don't know if we'll ever make the lost ground fully up.

Written to MPs, written to Govt Departments, written to the PM - haven't written to the Downing Street cat yet but have come close.

GiveMeNovocain · 13/03/2022 12:22

@Onionpatch

People seem to be saying the government made the wrong call on school closures so we shouldnt do anything to mitigate the impact of that choice now. Even though we could.

Bonkers!

No. I was just never naive enough to believe there'd be a proper catch up. It's why I fought school closures. Because no one will take any responsibility for the mess they made
CoffeeWithCheese · 13/03/2022 12:22

As for those querying that people may be overstating the amount of education lost with the school closures:

By comparing the school opening and closure dates, official school attendance figures and data on daily learning rates; the estimated lost learning time stands at between a third and a half of expected days in the classroom (Major, Eyles and Machin, 2021) - haven't got the full bibliography immediately to hand to find the full citation but you get the gist.

ReadyToMoveIt · 13/03/2022 12:26

@Onionpatch

People seem to be saying the government made the wrong call on school closures so we shouldnt do anything to mitigate the impact of that choice now. Even though we could.

Bonkers!

No, people are saying we never expected the government to do anything to mitigate the closures, because why would they? They’ve proven they don’t give a shit about the kids. Which is why some of us fought the closures so hard, as we knew there would be no catch up programme of any substance.
noblegiraffe · 13/03/2022 12:27

and the "I want schools safe" threads were basically a list of demands they wanted which were completely unrealistic, and they KNEW they were unrealistic, just so they could try to semantically sidestep actually saying those words.

Lying about me again?

I refer again to this thread. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4095400-noblegiraffe-wants-SAFER-schools-not-closed-schools-Do-you

Here was the list from the OP, posted 1st December 2020

"Mass testing in schools. Particularly when there is a positive case the whole bubble should be tested, to enable effective and targeted isolation and to flush out asymptomatic cases.

Scrapping the policy of only sending home close contacts. It's not working. Relying on children with covid to display the three main adult symptoms is pathetically unreliable as a way of identifying cases and isolating at-risk students. Testing should replace this.

Masks in secondary classrooms (with obvious exemptions and workarounds where needed. This is managed internationally, why should we not be able to?).

Funding for schools to improve ventilation where inadequate and for extra heating to keep the windows open.

No fines for ECV families.

Transparency around schools data, regularly published so the government can be held properly to account.

I don't want schools to close. I want them to be made safer so that they stay open longer to more pupils."

Claiming that the list was totally unrealistic given that since I posted we have had mass testing in schools to replace close contact isolation, masks in schools, and a (shit) effort to improve ventilation, your suggestion that I was asking for the moon on a stick because I really wanted schools closed looks like bullshit, doesn't it?

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noblegiraffe · 13/03/2022 12:31

Which is why some of us fought the closures so hard,

Schools have been open for a year and the situation in them has been dire. Have you fought hard to improve that situation, or was it only school closures you care about?

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Onionpatch · 13/03/2022 12:34

CoffeewithCheese even if your review was 100% true. How does not funding schools properly or not designing and delivering a proper catch up plan help the children.

You sound almost pleased that teachers might find it hard at the moment so they are getting their punishment. But that seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face to me. Teachers struggling isnt going to improve childrens education now.

PineForestsAndSunshine · 13/03/2022 12:36

I don’t know your posting history @noblegiraffe but I thank you for posting this. I knew my own DC had not been offered any sort of catch up, but wasn’t aware it was all children suffering.

I do know that an unusually high number of teachers at my DD’s school are signed off with stress at the moment. I’d put it down to poor management, but I wonder if it’s more of a national issue?

ReadyToMoveIt · 13/03/2022 12:36

@noblegiraffe

Which is why some of us fought the closures so hard,

Schools have been open for a year and the situation in them has been dire. Have you fought hard to improve that situation, or was it only school closures you care about?

Both. As I said above, I have written to my Mp many times. I’m a school governor. I work full time, I have 3 young kids. I fought closures, I have fought for better conditions in schools. Not sure why you think it’s one or the other?
ReadyToMoveIt · 13/03/2022 12:40

I don’t know your posting history @noblegiraffe, I haven’t come across you before that I can remember (I wasn’t on MN throughout lockdown etc due to aforementioned full time job, homeschooling primary aged kids plus governor role, no time), but what did you do to campaign for these things? Except post on here?

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2022 12:48

We were insulted, harassed off the site in a number of instances, had shit dragged across thread after thread and regularly accused of attempting to murder grannies, teachers, cats, dogs and probably tortoises too. We were told that we had to teach our kids "resilience" and how to "put others first"... and our kids did this - for a massive proportion of their lives - if you went into this aged 6, you came out around age 8 - and kids change so much by then.

Yes some were on the attack to silence, some worse (I recall one hounding for months with personal attacks)

I kept posting as was important to me but then did avoid threads towards the end. It wasn’t a site for parents as much re education as those voices were ridiculed etc

On the flip side I separated out our individual schools as they were good, and sent them supportive emails