The Invasion Has Stalled

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So here we go. Four days in and the third consecutive thread on the conflict in Ukraine. The last two threads are a credit to the members of mumsnet. Who knows where thread four may find our world?

Thank you all.

Thread two : www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4491025-The-Invasion-Continues

Thank you for this thread op

Yes I also think this is somewhat of a trojan horse type thing .

@Papyrus

On a lighter note, I just read that Zelensky is the Ukrainian voice of Paddington.

That makes sense, I thought he has a wonderfully soothing voice in the resistance video.

Brilliant thread guys. I don't have much to add to it really, but it's nice to read measured and informed posts.
A welcome relief from some of the hysteria that is being banded about on MN the past couple days.

dreaming I have no idea. But there's a lot of people saying he has sources.
He knows the man, and has met him.

I imagine (but don't know) that his sources are pretty impeccable. But what do I know...

I agree that @Sexnotgender has asked the most important question:

How does Russia get out of this?

If they can't achieve decisive victory, how do they withdraw or de-escalate?

And this is the problem, it's hard to see a way that they could do so.

It's possible that they could decide to be happy with getting their land bridge to Crimea -- of connecting Russia to the separatist republics to Crimea, along the Black Sea Coast. Sadly it looks they might get this. So perhaps they settle for that and withdraw.

But I'm not sure they would. Putin set out a very maximalist agenda. A land bridge to Crimea won't cut it.

@spleencoffin I was down a Google rabbithole about this the other night. He has two daughters but when you click on their husbands names both daughters husbands come up with the same images! It was very odd.

While Ukrainians and other Europeans are being allowed to escape Ukraine borders, look at how Indian medical students are being treated at the Ukraine border by Ukrainian security force in the Twitter feed below. There are more videos in the thread documenting the violence being meted out to them.
All the students want is to cross the border where the Indian Embassy staff are waiting to evacuate them to India.
No wonder India is abstaining from voting at the UN security council if this is how Ukraine treats India's citizen.
twitter.com/tripathi_yash1/status/1497947904476352517?t=XqOYMeilnbaPe7j22Qu8eA&s=19

@newhairday Putin was rumoured to also be seeing Wendi Deng (Murdoch's ex) - there was a cosy picture on Twitter showing her on holiday with Ivanka Trump.
Funny how pally they all are.

www.gq.com/story/ivanka-trump-wendi-deng-putin-vacation-photo

@Papyrus

On a lighter note, I just read that Zelensky is the Ukrainian voice of Paddington.

This made me smile. I was getting all anxious and now I'm googling Ukrainian Paddington Bear.

Too much to hope that some bombs could get dropped on that convoy?

Sad for the Russian soldiers though, mostly young men who it seems dont have the luxury of a choice about whether to be there or not. Just a huge senseless waste of life all around.

[quote lljkk]What are opinions of Zelensky?

@MrsVal

Brilliant thread guys. I don't have much to add to it really, but it's nice to read measured and informed posts. A welcome relief from some of the hysteria that is being banded about on MN the past couple days.

I agree, I keep dipping in and out of the thread. I love the fact it's stayed on track and hasn't been derailed - thank you OP

Litivinenko who he poisoned accused him of being a paedophile.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/alexander-litvinenko-murdered-because-he-accused-putin-of-being-a-paedophile-a6824806.html

Yep.

You can't insult a meglomaniac and carry on living.

But your dead right, Zelensky has grown into a hero of epic proportions, he could so easily have gone into exile and saved his skin.

I’m not feeling any comfort re the involvement of Belarus. Has a time been given for when these talks are taking place?

@dreamingbohemian
Very interesting point - would a land bridge to the Crimea plus assurances that Ukraine would not join NATO be enough to get Russia to withdraw (and save face)?
I am not suggesting that is the correct course of action just wondering what he would consider enough.

[quote Rowgtfc72]@fucketyfuckwit read the same in my local rag at 6am this morning. My lot are known for scaremongering and were called out on it in the comments section by the locals.[/quote]
Thank you, I have just given them a piece of my mind!!

[quote SugarAndSpiceIsNice]While Ukrainians and other Europeans are being allowed to escape Ukraine borders, look at how Indian medical students are being treated at the Ukraine border by Ukrainian security force in the Twitter feed below. There are more videos in the thread documenting the violence being meted out to them.
All the students want is to cross the border where the Indian Embassy staff are waiting to evacuate them to India.
No wonder India is abstaining from voting at the UN security council if this is how Ukraine treats India's citizen.
twitter.com/tripathi_yash1/status/1497947904476352517?t=XqOYMeilnbaPe7j22Qu8eA&s=19[/quote]
The previous tweet on that thread suggests we may be looking at Polish border guards preventing the Indian students entering Poland rather than Ukrainian border guards stopping them leaving. Of course, I have no idea if this video is authentic. There are a lot of videos on Twitter that claim to be from the conflict but aren't.

[quote lljkk]What are opinions of Zelensky?

Hope the Ghost of Kyiv is real - and goes for the column of tanks heading for the city.

Sorry to add another placemarking post. Too dense to work out how to watch a thread

This thread is so informative thanks OP ...glad it’s not been derailed, so much false news and fake stuff this is sensible and informative

@Vintagecreamandcottagepie

Sorry to add another placemarking post. Too dense to work out how to watch a thread

Go to the top of the page, and above the title and some other stuff, press 'Watch'.