If you are Russian what is your opinion on Ukraine situation and Russia stance?

[Bohemianwannabe]

As above

The lady across the road from me who I know very well, her son was in Russia his wife is Russian and their daughter. They have packed a suitcase each took a flight to Turkey then from Turkey back to the UK. They said they couldn’t afford food because they couldn’t access their money.

It’s very sad for normal people on both sides. They knew exactly what was going on but most of their info came from my neighbour.

God Putin is a monster isn't he. He's not even bothered about harming Russians and ruining the young peoples lives. Let alone what he's inflicting on Ukrainians!

I fully agree that ordinary Russians are victims, too.

Some will agree with Putin and some won’t. I’m sure some people like Hitler

@DetailMouse

Why are "we" so convinced that out version of the propaganda is the correct version?

I'm not saying it's not, but we know the news is manipulated by our politicans all the time.

Isn't it likely that the truth is somewhere between the two?

I look at news on Reuters, Al Jazeera, Sky and the BBC. I believe Ukraine has been invaded and Russia is targeting civilian targets.

[quote Amrapaali]@MamaUmki agree the fake news on both sides is atrocious. But countries outside Europe are taking a more measured and analytical view of the war. Here is one:

And another from South Africa urging peace: www.iol.co.za/news/world/ousted-ukrainian-president-urges-zelensky-to-stop-bloodshed-97969245-3170-5890-b671-bef860d6c4f0

There are more voices calling for peace: theweek.com/politics/1011048/peace-in-ukraine-is-worth-putins-price I hope they are listened to.

And I hope there are some useful negotiations soon. Ordinary Ukrainians are paying a fatal price in this conflict.[/quote]
Those are not impartial and certainly it’s disappointing that one thinks Ukraine should just give into Russia’s demands

Why should they!

@Woollystockings

I might be a bit concerned that pro-kremlin bots in various countries have found/will find this thread. Some of those links… hm.

Pro-Kremlin bots have been all over social media for years. You only have to read some of the posts on here to see that.

There are an increasing number of "both sides" posts on any Ukraine discussion on Mumsnet, and many of them have Indian sounding usernames. Has anyone else noticed this?

[quote Bluebellsunderthetrees]@CleverKnot Simon Reeve did a travel programme to Crimea which is how I learnt about Ukraine cutting off their water supply. Then they had the worst drought ever in 2020.
The Ukrainian Information Minister complained about the programme.
Russia has bombed the Ukrainian dam now so water will flow soon
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b099127q[/quote]
Russia invaded Crimea and is illegally occupying it. That's why the water supply was cut off.

Collueagues in the moscow office are very upset about putin's actions, they speak with genuine passion (although very careful what they say) so i believe them.

I am a Russian speaking person from one of the Baltic countries. My grandparents were from Russia, and I still have some relatives in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Novgorod. All of them do not support this war. I was absolutely horrified when learned about this so called "special operation". Almost all my friends are appalled as well. But my husbands family, who are also from Baltics but have lived in UK for over 15 year are supporting Putin. Their only source of news are Russian tv channels they watch here. We have had a massive fall out over it, to the point that my SIL blocked me on WhatsApp. Their excuse is that there was no worlds outcry when Russian speaking people where killed in Donbas for 8 years. They( my relatives) see it as protection of those people, as Ukraine failed to do anything about it.

Hope you're ok @MamaUmki. Such an awful time. It must be so hard for you and your family

@DetailMouse

Why are "we" so convinced that out version of the propaganda is the correct version?

I'm not saying it's not, but we know the news is manipulated by our politicans all the time.

Isn't it likely that the truth is somewhere between the two?

Sadly I wish your comment were true but its not.

Amrapaali

@MamaUmki agree the fake news on both sides is atrocious“

What is “fake” about the UK reports?

Sergey Lavrov, Russian Foreign Minister yesterday

“ We didn’t attack Ukraine”

Would be funny if it was not so tragic.

OH and I disagree over the Ukrainian people, I think they're being painted as a saintly vulnerable country when the truth is much less flattering. He thinks they're wonderful and the Russian army led by Putin are evil

As for media coverage they're all lying IMO

@MamaUmki I’m so sorry to hear that people have been targetting you and your son, that is totally unforgiveable.
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Both side posts?

No

I see obvious support for Putin and anger about the supposed " neo Nazis" element in Ukraine.

I see the far left type's promoting Corybn style wicked west aren't we dreadful posts.

I see posters who like me are swinging from - we know we don't want ww3 but how can we be watching people die when we do have the arms to repel them?

How?

Then I see intellengent posters who mull over lot's of different outcomes, reasons, background, scenarios etc.

Then the patronising posters who sit waiting for posts that aren't PhD standard and wail " what am I reading, are you British".

And I think posters saying " how do we know what we are seeing" are correct.

It's vital that we do always question everything!
Otherwise how do we know?

I would be too paranoid to speak anywhere about it. Russians abroad are very fearful to speak out against their country even though they are appalled at what’s happening.

@Katya213

I would be too paranoid to speak anywhere about it. Russians abroad are very fearful to speak out against their country even though they are appalled at what’s happening.

I can understand that I have family living in China. We here some stories when they visit. They wouldn't talk about it on line or over a phone line

By assuming the west is being told the absolute truth you miss the point that ALL media are in some way aligned to political aims. None of us truly know what is factual or not. In the west, we assume ours is ‘right’.

Things mentioned in the Brexit campaign should have made this obvious.

And as strongly as we believe the collapse of the USSR and perestroika were the start of a brave new age, millions of Russians and ex Soviets are convinced their troubles were caused by Westetn interference.

In answer to your question: those in the east wish east/west would just agree to disagree, and they feel the current crisis is caused by western expansion

[quote Riseholme]@DetailMouse it doesn't matter what the truth of the political situation is.
The fact is that Ukrainians are being shelled out of their homes and many have been killed.
That's more than propaganda.[/quote]
Yes, this.

Does anyone believe the west is being told the absolute truth? What does that even mean? We are more fortunate than previous generations in that we have easy free access to international media.

Putin is a cunt and he looks like .