Boris Johnson to address nation as he describes Russian invasion as 'catastrophe for our continent

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Anyone finding the tone of this really quite terrifying...

I’m not one to get myself in a tizz over sensationalised news but this is starting to feel very different!

@Tealightsandd

And smoking.

Well Boris wants to be like Churchill. He enjoyed a puff.

Perhaps smoking taxes can be used to help people struggling to heat or eat.

They’re already ringfenced for the NHS I believe.

@Tealightsandd

Just stop going on about bloody covid.

We have vaccines. The effects are now mostly mild for the vast majority of people. That's it now. Let it go.

Just like the flu, it is going to kill a certain number each year. We live with the flu. We dont bring the flu up in a discussion about war. We live with the flu. We will live with covid. Get over it.

Just bloody shut up.

@Tealightsandd

Presumably, of course, we only need to protect Ukrainians who are under 40 and have no underlying conditions.... Which, with Long Covid damage, will be increasingly few.

With respect.. what the fuck are you going on about it?

Imagine waking up this morning to the sound of bombs in your city and show some empathy.

Do you extend that empathy to Ukrainians with underlying conditions or elderly?

1000s of people in the UK were killed by a preventable threat in just one week. Many more disabled. Take a leaf out of your own book - and show some empathy.

[quote Ju2020]@jgwl, he may have done but Ukraine was not even close to joining NATO then. He was toppled anyway soon after and a president sympathetic to the West was 'elected'.[/quote]
I would say that remaining president until 2019 when Ukraine elected the current president would not suggest being toppled soon after 2014.
Poroshenko is still a deputy in the Ukrainian parliament and was broadcasting from outside parliament in Kyiv a few days ago.

So poor russian troops now have Chernobyl.

I say poor because I don't think for one second they went to fight.and risk being killed And now radio active.

@Tealightsandd

I've made my points. Ignore all you like but that won't change the facts.

I'm off for my evening meal. Might as well eat, drink, (smoke), and be merry (but keep the masks 😷).

Let's hope the animals take over asap. Us humans have fucked it up one time too many 🤞

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@Tealightsandd

I've made my points. Ignore all you like but that won't change the facts.

I'm off for my evening meal. Might as well eat, drink, (smoke), and be merry (but keep the masks 😷).

Let's hope the animals take over asap. Us humans have fucked it up one time too many 🤞

Your not wrong there - bankrupting the country over a fucking cold for the vast majority whilst lying and misleading people with ‘death rates’ and instilling the fear of god into people so that they now bang on and on about a post viral illness ‘disabling’ people’ was one of the worst most recent mistakes. You are loving proof of that.

*living

Talking of war comparisons. By this time last year, more Londoners had been killed by Covid than died in the Blitz.

Covid is as, if not more, deadly than war.

And it's not just about deaths. Covid, just like war, disables many.

160,000+ dead in the UK from Covid. Yeah, war isn't the only deadly threat.

@Tealightsandd,

I think that if you were in Ukraine now, you would have a deeper understanding of why an invasion is very different to a virus.

@MarshaBradyo I would think so. Otherwise there would be mass panicking.

The similarities between the two threats - and how they are interlinked with one impacting the other, is very relevant.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@Tealightsandd,

I think that if you were in Ukraine now, you would have a deeper understanding of why an invasion is very different to a virus.[/quote]
Why?

Can you tell me why you are concerned about a ('mild?) invasion but not a deadly and disabling disease?

It can't be that you're concerned about threat to lives or health. So what is it that makes you more concerned about one (rather than equal concern over both)?

Your not wrong there - bankrupting the country over a fucking cold for the vast majority whilst lying and misleading people with ‘death rates’ and instilling the fear of god into people so that they now bang on and on about a post viral illness ‘disabling’ people’ was one of the worst most recent mistakes.

I think that's a bit unfair. Long covid is definitely something to be concerned about & we don't actually know the long term implications of having covid.

Why are we talking about covid? Covid is bad, wars are bad, it’s not competition. There are a million and one covid threads to discuss covid on, I came on here to find out information about the invasion of Ukraine and all I’m seeing are posts about bloody covid.

@Tigersonvaseline

So poor russian troops now have Chernobyl.

I say poor because I don't think for one second they went to fight.and risk being killed And now radio active.

Have you seen pictures of how they were sleeping prior to the invasion. And how supply chains hadnt been set up so soliders were having to buy food for themselves locally. Those who were lucky enough to have money. The others had to rely on others buying it for them.

There is a point here too. If supply chains were not great prior to the invasion they won't be after. So they too will be looking for food. Like the Ukrainians.

Putin doesn't particularly care about his own.

Its depressing on many levels.

Tealightsandd Read the room.

When I clicked on this thread, I had no idea the scary bit was going to be the MAHOUSIVE straw man.

Practically a Wicker Man.

I am going to listen to Konstantin Kisin's interviews on the war later. I think he's done two.

@Elsiebear90 fair point

@Tealightsandd

Imagine waking up this morning to the sound of bombs in your city and show some empathy.

Do you extend that empathy to Ukrainians with underlying conditions or elderly?

1000s of people in the UK were killed by a preventable threat in just one week. Many more disabled. Take a leaf out of your own book - and show some empathy.

I lost a parent to covid so I know all to well how serious it is. I find your comments on this thread ridiculous. Just stop it.

@Tealightsandd,

Covid, even at its worst, and left entirely unchecked, would never have taken out more than 3% of the population. Right now, with acquired immunity and a less virulent strain, the mortality rate is below flu.

Being invaded shreds everyone’s lives. The most affected are the young, so parents lose their children. Hundreds of thousands are dispossessed of their homes and virtually everyone loses their life savings.

And then they will have to live under occupation (or a puppet government) until such time as another opportunity for independence comes.

It is stressful enough watching it from afar. I cannot imagine what it must be like in Ukraine today.

@DuncinToffee

FFS From Laura Kuenssberg Foreign Sec has just told colleagues at emergency meeting of OSCE permanent council - 'on 10th Feb Foreign Minister Lavrov looked me in the eye + said Russia had no plans to invade Ukraine...Today the Russian govt has shown that they lied to the world'

I would have thought she would be used to it, she works for Boris.

@RedToothBrush,

Putin is taking a massive risk if he cannot feed his army.

Hard enough to follow a man who has a $1 billion palace to attack a fellow nation. Even harder if you end up dining with ‘the enemy’.

I do think insurrection is a real threat to Putin. I hope the tanks turn around and head to Moscow.

@TheVolturi

Exactly, what can we do? If we intervene then Russia will target us as well, but if we do nothing then do many innocent people are going to die and who knows what Putin will do next? Do Russian citizens admire Putin or are they equally as aghast as we are?

I’m not in Russia but I lived in the Soviet Bloc under dictatorship and it’s usually not 100% either way