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Are you stocking up on lateral flow tests?

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alltheapples · 23/02/2022 10:17

I wondered now that the government are ending free tests if anyone else is stocking up on free tests?

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RedToothBrush · 23/02/2022 13:51

Everyone who has talked about stockpiling on this thread is doing so to protect very vulnerable people.
Might be worth reading a thread before commenting?

Erm. I read.

I still think people who are vulnerable need the money on the treatment they need rather than the worry of something they might not.

Unfortunately the ultimate problem here, is that whilst some people are going to continue testing, most people can't afford to and there are only so many tests that the nhs is going to be able to send out in the next month.

So any one vulnerable is still likely to be exposed to a potential risk if there is one from people who they aren't related to anyway. You can't stop the risk of exposure and the risk will be based more on the % of people not testing and whether the vaccines are working rather than on family members testing constantly.

My Dad is very clinically vulnerable. He is pretty matter of fact about the realities of it and whether its worth testing going forward.

Rates locally to him are likely to be starting to hit under 200 per 100,000 by the time isolation ends (and the data lag has unravelled). They were 2000 a few weeks back so in relative terms he doesn't feel he is substantially more at risk than at the end of December.

My cavet here is over death rates and hospitalisations. We can still see these and tests will still be done for patients. If we start to see a big uptick then we've got a problem. But again I don't know that there's going to be a huge amount we can do against that unless its a variant which is exceptional (which is a possibility but it needs to be kept in perspective). We know that case numbers mean very little - its hospitalisations that matter. With omicron we saw the numbers go up - but we still had to wait for hospitalisation data to work out the level of threat the variant has. In terms of observing new variants this is the data that matters and pcrs for this scenario are not stopping.

We know that developing a new variant vaccine takes 2 to 3 months min. If we have a severe variant come through, by the time we identify its severe (which is done by hospitalisations not case numbers remember) we already have x amount of cases. If transmission rates are high, we are already stuffed and testing being available for free, isn't necessarily going to be effective enough - we'd need more than that immediately. And if you have a couple of boxes of lfts in the house thats probably going to be enough for that scenario initially at least. If they the transmission rate is more moderate, then the argument for lfts is probably stronger as the effect is more significant.

I genuinely have considered this.

I just have come to a different conclusion and think we are better off putting the resources the Treasury has released (and doesn't look likely to increase) into other areas of the health service where its more likely to have a positive impact.

Politically the decision here is made. I remain somewhat neutral about whether it's the right call. But given the data we have and the practicalities here, i think carrying on constantly doing asymptomatic tests is a bit like pissing in the wind, even with regards to the vulnerable.

Lfts still give a window where you are infectious but not positive. This has always been at the back of my mind that you are never 'safe' to visit a vulnerable family member. So we tend to try and consider this as part of any contact we have with vulnerable family members. And we've done that even with lfts. I don't like the 'false sense of security' issue lfts raise.

hotfishyellowfish · 23/02/2022 13:52

Of course. I've been ordering regularly since it was first suggested that they'd stop sending them out for free - that was months ago, when stocks were plentiful and they were allowing new orders every 24 hours. I expect that anyone who has the need to test regularly has been doing the same.

alltheapples · 23/02/2022 14:01

@RedToothBrush I assume you do not have very vulnerable family members?
Because no my father is exposed to visiting family members and medical staff, that is it. He is not going out to nightclubs and pubs and mixing with people. Similar;y my friend undergoing chemo is being very careful and only seeing people who have tested.
This is standard for the most vulnerable.
I am ecv, ecv is very vulnerable, but not the same as those on this thread people are testing for before visiting.
And by the way your father might not be worried about getting covid and dying, but many are. My friend with cancer is 56, she is not ready to die yet.

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Arghhconfused · 23/02/2022 14:03

I've got 7 boxes, and I will keep ordering as long as they're free. I also have some random spare tests.

RedToothBrush · 23/02/2022 14:09

[quote alltheapples]@RedToothBrush I assume you do not have very vulnerable family members?
Because no my father is exposed to visiting family members and medical staff, that is it. He is not going out to nightclubs and pubs and mixing with people. Similar;y my friend undergoing chemo is being very careful and only seeing people who have tested.
This is standard for the most vulnerable.
I am ecv, ecv is very vulnerable, but not the same as those on this thread people are testing for before visiting.
And by the way your father might not be worried about getting covid and dying, but many are. My friend with cancer is 56, she is not ready to die yet.[/quote]
As you made a point of saying to discredit me previously, perhaps you should take some of your own advice.

Read what Ive said.

DearlyBeloathed · 23/02/2022 14:16

No because I won't be testing anymore.

AngelsWithSilverWings · 23/02/2022 14:20

@arethereanyleftatall

" What good will having hundreds of tests stockpiled in your home do you when people will be out everywhere now with covid? They don't stop you getting it."

Regular testing will alert us early to our DD catching it. She will be more at risk of catching it now that people aren't testing and are not isolating even if they do have it .

Spotting it early will allow us to confirm it with her priority PCR test and that will allow anti virals to be administered quickly.

We are following the guidance we have been given. We aren't doing it for fun!

alltheapples · 23/02/2022 14:27

Anyway my advice to anyone who is going to continue to test is order some free tests now. You will probably only get 3 packs now because of the limits.

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caranations · 23/02/2022 14:31

Stocking up? No chance. Ordered but not arrived yet.

We've been using 4 a day for the last eight days (one family member still showing positive today and has to test daily and send proof to work or she won't get paid). I have to do one daily because I work with CEV people and my employer insists on it, and we also have a frail elderly 95+ relative we look after and visit every day.

We have one test left, and are having to do the rounds of friends and neighbours and beg spare tests from them.

blacksax · 23/02/2022 14:33

To those selfish grasping bastards who are ordering spare kits now even though they don't need them, spare a thought for the people who need them right now and can't get hold of any.

alltheapples · 23/02/2022 14:40

But we do need them. Just not today.

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Butteryflakycrust83 · 23/02/2022 14:42

I would be asking why a Government who claims they spend two BILLION pounds a week on testing doesnt have enough tests or be prepared for a surge in increased demand when they announce the testing is to end.

Arghhconfused · 23/02/2022 14:42

@alltheapples I totally agree, we do need them

Svara · 23/02/2022 14:43

@alltheapples

But we do need them. Just not today.
Well if you have some now then by ordering more you are taking from those who don't have any. That could be elderly people if they are not currently prioritised.
alltheapples · 23/02/2022 14:45

Then that is the governments fault not mine.

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TellMeMoreHellebore · 23/02/2022 14:46

@alltheapples

But we do need them. Just not today.
Then you can go to Boots and buy them when you need them....
dizzydizzydizzy · 23/02/2022 14:52

Yes. I come into contact with lots of children at work, so feel at risk. I have COVID now in fact.

Samcro · 23/02/2022 14:53

@Woahthehorsey

Yes I am because my job involves me going in to care homes which are insistent on LFTs being done each time but my work have not yet confirmed if they will provide the LFTs needed. I refuse to pay for them to do my job.
yes similar to this. dd lives in a residential setting. no one has said if we will have to still test/ be bloody expensive if I have to pay and add in 4 being done every time she comes home.....
Samcro · 23/02/2022 14:54

oh and my idea or stockpiling was ordering one box before I need it.

RedToothBrush · 23/02/2022 14:56

@alltheapples

Then that is the governments fault not mine.
See this is what it comes down to everytime.

Its everyone else being selfish except if I do it because my cause is better. And if all else fails we can always blame the government.

I think we need to wean ourselves off lfts.

I think they are prolonging the anxieties of many. And compounding problems in other areas - for vulnerable people.

As it stands things do look good. The main justification not to stop is a new wave / a more serious variant.

A new wave is unlikely to be anything like previous. History does seem to have a good case to make on that.

A more serious variant is possible. But i question how lfts in the meantime change that.

We have high levels of immunity right now. The time to relax restrictions should be right after a wave because of that.

If another wave does come along lfts aren't going to stop that. It will happen.

This will have to happen at some point. The only debate is over when. And as i say, coming out of a big wave with high immunity levels is the test time to test the water.

It could be the right time, in which case thats beneficial to everyone. If its the wrong time, i don't think we are changing anything tbh.

alltheapples · 23/02/2022 15:01

@RedToothBrush maybe I should just not visit my friend with cancer at all then? Or not give her lifts to her hospital appointments so the NHS has to provide transport? Or not visit my father in his rented council house and help him with various things like changing lightbulbs and paying the bills? Then when he falls because he tries to do it himself or gets his bills cut off, it will cost the NHS and Social Services far more to sort things out?

This is what is the matter with the Tories. They have zero understanding of how much informal care goes on and the great cost to the state if we all just walked away. All for the sake of a few free tests.

Everything is inter connected.

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uncomfortablydumb53 · 23/02/2022 15:02

No
I've only ever tested before visiting vulnerable relative at Christmas... They got Covid from their son!

Cornettoninja · 23/02/2022 15:05

Interestingly I just caught an article about the surgical recommendations after a covid infection based on these recommendations from the association of anaesthetists associationofanaesthetists-publications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/anae.15699

From the article:

“While there may be a temptation to ignore omicron SARS-CoV-2 infection with no or mild symptoms as a pre-operative risk-factor, it is notable that with previous variants, asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection increased mortality risk around three-fold throughout the 6 weeks after infection. No data on omicron SARS-CoV-2 infection are available, and therefore assumptions that asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic infection does not add risk are currently unfounded”

It’s important to note that even the recommendations make clear that data is still not complete, but if I expected to have surgery at any point in the next twelve months, damn straight I’d be stockpiling right now. A three fold risk of dying in surgery following a covid infection isn’t one I would be prepared to take for the sake of testing for a few weeks and people judging ‘stock piling’.

MarshaBradyo · 23/02/2022 15:06

[quote alltheapples]@RedToothBrush maybe I should just not visit my friend with cancer at all then? Or not give her lifts to her hospital appointments so the NHS has to provide transport? Or not visit my father in his rented council house and help him with various things like changing lightbulbs and paying the bills? Then when he falls because he tries to do it himself or gets his bills cut off, it will cost the NHS and Social Services far more to sort things out?

This is what is the matter with the Tories. They have zero understanding of how much informal care goes on and the great cost to the state if we all just walked away. All for the sake of a few free tests.

Everything is inter connected.[/quote]
How long will what you’ve got last you?

Butteryflakycrust83 · 23/02/2022 15:10

@Cornettoninja

Interestingly I just caught an article about the surgical recommendations after a covid infection based on these recommendations from the association of anaesthetists associationofanaesthetists-publications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/anae.15699

From the article:

“While there may be a temptation to ignore omicron SARS-CoV-2 infection with no or mild symptoms as a pre-operative risk-factor, it is notable that with previous variants, asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection increased mortality risk around three-fold throughout the 6 weeks after infection. No data on omicron SARS-CoV-2 infection are available, and therefore assumptions that asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic infection does not add risk are currently unfounded”

It’s important to note that even the recommendations make clear that data is still not complete, but if I expected to have surgery at any point in the next twelve months, damn straight I’d be stockpiling right now. A three fold risk of dying in surgery following a covid infection isn’t one I would be prepared to take for the sake of testing for a few weeks and people judging ‘stock piling’.

Ah but you dont understand, people have had enough of Covid now, its all over!

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