Prince Andrew photo

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Apologies for another thread about Prince Andrew but haven’t seen one about this. I would have had him as guilty as the man behind the grassy knoll but seeing this article today I am at least doubting the photo. One of them has been photoshopped but which one? Seeing them side by side the lighting in the photo of Maxwell alone looks more genuine than the one with three.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10518737/Prince-Andrews-ex-Lady-Victoria-Hervey-calls-Virginia-Roberts-scam-artist.html

No point scrutinising the images for differences as neither of the new images are the actual ones the story is referring to. They are both artists impressions to show how the image we all know and love could've been created.

The image of G alone has been photoshopped back from the one we've all seen to back up the allegation and the 'boat photo' is described as an artists impression.

@HandWash

These photos will have been examined by the most qualified experts money can buy. If one could have been proved to be fake it- would have!

No original to examine. The technology is there to create a 3D mock up of the entire scene, models for each of the particants, pose as you wish, light as you wish - and to fake it as if taken with an old camera.

The BBC interview was far more damning!

No original to examine. The technology is there to create a 3D mock up of the entire scene, models for each of the particants, pose as you wish, light as you wish - and to fake it as if taken with an old camera.*

The BBC interview was far more damning!

Well...yes. I haven't said that I think the photos are damning or even real. Just that it's impossible to know and the appearance of more 'photos' doesn't prove or disprove anything.

The one of GM alone is very obviously photoshopped and whoever did it did a shit job. As others have pointed out, they’ve copied and pasted her breasts so she has the same one on both sides and it looks ridiculous.

Andrew is very obviously guilty as charged. The interview was evidence of that- I actually had an issue at the time where I couldn’t sweat. That was his main defence? Well, that and the fact he somehow recalled taking his daughter to a birthday party on the date in question. As if anyone would actually remember something like that so many years later. He’s a liar and a shit one at that.

The photoshopping on the one of GM alone is laughably bad

@CorrBlimeyGG

The basis of her assertion is that the women are wearing the same top on two occasions. It may shock Lady Victoria that most of us do wear an item of clothing more than once.

...and sometimes two days running!

@ladycarlotta

Why are you not noticing that Ghislaine's top in the photo of her alone has clearly been really poorly photoshopped? They've just duplicated the same bits to patch in where Virginia's arm covers it. The same boob twice. The same ribbed bit across the stomach twice. Same with the window behind her. It doesn't look right because it's not right.

It's a bit obvious isn't it? The gold framed picture is missing because they didn't have enough reference of the original to recreate the half Andrew was hiding, also the dado rail at the top of the stairs where he'd been stood is clearly photoshopped, thats before you get on to the hilarity that is GM's boobs in that.

Victim shaming is always wrong.

If MNers thought that they wouldn't have tried & convicted PA on say so of others... not possible that Royals could be victims, one supposes? Not possible to persecute them, I guess?

I don't care about PA but I do care about principle of justice.

"Andrew is very obviously guilty as charged."

except he wasn't charged... oh well.

Aside: I can't imagine PA looking that relaxed & happy with anyone, much less a random teenager at a party. That's always been the most fake looking thing about the pic for me.

The FBI has the original photo at one point.

And yes, law enforcement does lose things all the time.

The fact that the public are actually believing the phone was faked let’s me know most of the general public are idiots.

And the people calling someone who was sex trafficked (taking a minor accross state lines for sex is a federal offense in the US) a scam artist or gold digger also confirms that a woman must be a perfect victim or she will not be believed or blamed.

Yet we wonder why rape convictions are low or non existent.

This ball guzzler Victoria Harvey.. whatever the name is. She touched prince Andrew’s balls once and she’s an expert on photo altercation. She’s the kind of woman that I despise.. will throw another woman under the bus to protect any penis around.

Those of you blaming a victim are trash. I sincerely hope and pray you never ever have to got thru being a victim and having to prove you were assaulted.

That be would be Lady Victoria who has spent her life doing nothing but socialising. Didn't realise she was an expert in photo analysis and Photoshop. Who knew?

Famously said the poor should winter in the Caribbean where they could eat fresh fish all day. With our impending gas bills, let's book our flights and take her advice

Any chance someone could add the photo to a post please? I don't click on daily mail links.

Thanks

@MarshaBradyo

I haven’t been following any of this really and agree re hand position changing

But where has the framed picture gone behind them?

I noticed the framed photos on the wall appeared.

That made me wonder too!

I noticed the framed photos on the wall appeared

It's more likely that it's the other way round, it's disappeared.

I find it frustrating we won't ever know the truth.

In PA case I'm a true believer of innocent until proven guilty - I'd like to know either way if he's guilty.

And in VA case I'd like to know more details. Not because I feel I have a right to know what a trafficked woman went through or the gory details. But more she's been very happy to publicly share some information but I feel there's some important questions unanswered.

I like to form my opinions based on fact and I feel the facts are generally missing in this case.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

I noticed the framed photos on the wall appeared

It's more likely that it's the other way round, it's disappeared.

Yeah that makes sense it could have been the other way round.

It's all very odd.

It's all over now anyway, thank goodness, though many would have preferred it to go to court.

Both parties have agreed (according to the press), never to talk about it.

Some things we will never know but one thing is clear - the media is shit.

@Bromse

It's all over now anyway, thank goodness, though many would have preferred it to go to court.

Both parties have agreed (according to the press), never to talk about it.

Some things we will never know but one thing is clear - the media is shit.

Is it all over?

The public deserve to know if they have a monarch that has paid, even if it is private money, her ds out of a trafficking accusation.

He dammed himself with Emily Matlis simple as that

I don't understand how she could have lost that photo, given its significance. Wouldn't she have had it lodged with a lawyer or bank?

@lljkk

Victim shaming is always wrong.

If MNers thought that they wouldn't have tried & convicted PA on say so of others... not possible that Royals could be victims, one supposes? Not possible to persecute them, I guess?

I don't care about PA but I do care about principle of justice.

"Andrew is very obviously guilty as charged."

except he wasn't charged... oh well.

Aside: I can't imagine PA looking that relaxed & happy with anyone, much less a random teenager at a party. That's always been the most fake looking thing about the pic for me.

I agree. Particularly with the last paragraph.

I think that if there’s any photoshopping in the picture, it would literally just be PA’s face onto whoever was actually standing with VG’s face?

That said, I don’t think that the photo looks like a younger VG anyway. She now seems to have a gap between her teeth that isn’t in the photo, and her ears in the teen photo are totally different too.

Seemssounfair, Prince Andrew was not accused of trafficking, he was accused by Virginia Guiffre of having sex with her in a place where she was below the legal age of consent and in two other places where she wasn't. Ghislane Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein were accused and convicted of trafficking.

She has been gagged until after the Queens jubilee and while she can’t talk his posh friend is pushing the fake photo narrative.

It’s painfully transparent. I’m shocked anyone would take this seriously.

I might be slightly more inclined to if the source wasn’t yet another aristo desperately funding a flash lifestyle selling her opinions to the press.

Ghislaine Maxwell or 'Lady' Victoria Hervey.

Who to believe?

Considering both their backgrounds and track records, it would be impossible to believe either.

I've just been reading Victoria Hervey's Wikipedia page and my favourite part is when ”she reluctantly became a receptionist for producer Michael Winner." After her mum stopped her allowance.