Dicks out

[Bosephine]

Apparently Cressida Dick has just resigned. Great news.

@tara66

I did not know the Mayor of London could get the Head of the Met . to resign - as he clearly did. How is that? Does the Met. Police force work for London County Council or Mayor?

Me neither ! Do I guess the money comes out of the council tax ?

Why do I have the feeling she’ll be replaced by a man? Hope the new person doesn’t look to the other side when there is women harassment etc

@bindud

It will take time and effort - but the alternative is saying we just accept it how it is forever?

No my point is the police don't exist in a vacuum. You can't eradicate misogyny from the police without tackling misogyny in society.

Changing culture is really hard - but if you sack a lot of people, you can start to change it.

I don't think sacking everyone is the answer. The entire judicial system is sexist down to the numbers of female judges at the top, how female barristers are treated, how female victims are cross examined etc.

Of course you have to sack people - if people are posting openly homophobic/racost/misogynistic messages on group chats they should be sacked.

Also, of course the Met don't exist in a vacuum, but that doesn't mean you just tolerate having extreme and offensive attitudes in the organisation.

If I posted comments like those in the Whatsapp messages at my work I would be sacked. My work does not exist in a vacuum either - why should the Met be tolerant of lower standards than my regular workplace?

What has Dick done?

Of course you have to sack people - if people are posting openly homophobic/racost/misogynistic messages on group chats they should be sacked.

Err, when did I say otherwise? I simply said you can't sack everyone in order to change the culture....

@bindud

Of course you have to sack people - if people are posting openly homophobic/racost/misogynistic messages on group chats they should be sacked.

Err, when did I say otherwise? I simply said you can't sack everyone in order to change the culture....

I really don't understand what you are saying.

Of course you can't sack everyone, but not everyone needs to be sacked, so that's OK then.

But you have to take the side of the whistleblowers, and over time you change the culture. It might take two decades, but if we don't start we won't make any progress.

Also, of course the Met don't exist in a vacuum, but that doesn't mean you just tolerate having extreme and offensive attitudes in the organisation.

Of course you don't just tolerate it, who is arguing for that. The point is it's better to not have it the first place rather than for it exist but sack someone when evidence comes to light.

It seems like some people would rather just moan about it being crap than see anyone try to make it better

I think the Met is clearly a disgrace - but every organisation can change - with leadership, time and resources.

@bindud

Also, of course the Met don't exist in a vacuum, but that doesn't mean you just tolerate having extreme and offensive attitudes in the organisation.

Of course you don't just tolerate it, who is arguing for that. The point is it's better to not have it the first place rather than for it exist but sack someone when evidence comes to light.

I really don't understand what your point is.

The organisation has problems. We either try to change it or accept it.

Obviously it is better not to have any problems in the first place, but here in the real world the only option is to deal with the situation in front of us.

I really don't understand what you are saying.

I'm simply saying I don't think you can get rid of misogyny in the police when it's so prevalent in society. Look at some of the ridiculous sentences that are handed out or how female victims are blamed.

I really don't understand what your point is.

I don't understand yours. You think you can tackle sexism in the police without tackling it in society? How?

**needmoreshinys

*The fact that she has resigned has made me think what the hell is about to come out now, because I am sure this morning, she was deadset on not quitting**

My first thought also.

I think they need to cleanse the force entirely. Officers should go through more rigorous checks before they join and closely monitored as they continue their career. There’s a very thin line between cops and robbers.

In regards to Dick though, after saving BJ’s arse with the parties, I could only think that she was corrupt. The mother of those poor sisters who were subjected to police mockery in their murdered states, said that Dick had never actually called to apologise, it was just through the media and that sickened me. As did the image of the red headed woman at the Sarah Everard vigil. I mean honestly, what were those brutes thinking? Stopping mourning, angry, exhausted women whilst there were parties in number 10 that they turned a blind eye to?!

To sum up, yes she should have resigned long ago but I think perhaps another authority needs to step in and take over the Met for some time (I know this could never happen but something drastic needs to be done).

I think the Met is clearly a disgrace - but every organisation can change - with leadership, time and resources.

Which public organisations have eradicated sexism?

@bindud

I really don't understand what your point is.

I don't understand yours. You think you can tackle sexism in the police without tackling it in society? How?

Do you think every person in society is equally sexist? So it would make no difference which people were in the organisation because everyone is identical and all hate women an equal amount?

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I clicked on this thinking I was going to see some actual dicks. I was even humming a little ditty about 'rock out with your cock out'.

@bindud

I think the Met is clearly a disgrace - but every organisation can change - with leadership, time and resources.

Which public organisations have eradicated sexism?

You are very all or nothing!

'change' = make progress, improve things
'eradicate' = remove entirely

You and I are not talking about the same thing perhaps.

Ok which ones have improved then?

It's not just the met that's corrupt, sexism homophobia exists in our police force . Friends under and over seventy who served. Could see it coming and had to work within it. One friend transferred from the met to the North and said it's a lot better here but it exists

I mean look at sexism in the NHS despite so many female staff.

@bindud

Ok which ones have improved then?

FFS. None of them, it is all going to be awful forever, let's just kill ourselves.

I'm sorry you feel it is all pointless, I just don't.

The Mayor of London and the Greater London Authority have responsibility for governance of the Metropolitan Police. The Home Secretary recommends a candidate for Commissioner to the Queen, who makes the appointment. I would imagine if the Mayor of London makes it plain the Commissioner no longer enjoys his confidence, it's curtains. I assume Sadiq Khan listened to Cressida Dick on Radio London this morning and read her action plan for sorting the Met out this afternoon and wasn't convinced.

It would seem the recruiting process for the Met. is not adequate in the they way they are selected; it seems some very unsuitable people get into the organisation, stay there and even get promoted. Police should given strictly independent ''tests'' throughout their career to assess if their character and mentality is suited to the job?

I read somewhere that there was someone thought to have been better than C Dick for the job but who would have been critical of the government so it was blocked. No idea how it was blocked, mind.

I'm sorry you feel it is all pointless, I just don't.

Again, I'm confused by what you are reading in my posts. I didn't say it was pointless to want change, I very much want change.
However imo it needs to be a far wider conversation then just let's tackle sexism in the police by sacking someone once they do something bad.
Sexism isn't just about an officer using his power to sleep with a victim, it's also about an officer not able to convince the CPS to prosecute despite that officer 100% believing the rape victim is telling the truth.

@bindud

I'm sorry you feel it is all pointless, I just don't.

Again, I'm confused by what you are reading in my posts. I didn't say it was pointless to want change, I very much want change.
However imo it needs to be a far wider conversation then just let's tackle sexism in the police by sacking someone once they do something bad.
Sexism isn't just about an officer using his power to sleep with a victim, it's also about an officer not able to convince the CPS to prosecute despite that officer 100% believing the rape victim is telling the truth.

The Met is both drawn from our society and part of shaping our society.

In the world I live in, progress is incremental. If there is incremental progress to be had, I will take it.

You have made this only about sexism. I think the Met has myriad problems, and incremental progress on any or all of them would be better than no progress at all.

Personally I think a Met where people who openly express offensive views are not welcome is better than one where they are welcome.