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Kurt Zouma / TW Animal cruelty

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HotToddyColdSauvignon · 08/02/2022 01:30

Apologies, couldn’t see a thread about this.

Just seen the most horrendous video of a West Ham footballer drop kicking his cat Shock across the room, then throwing things at it, then slapping it out of someone’s arms.

(Link to video mobile.twitter.com/emilyhewertson/status/1490811894197886981?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)

It’s being published by the sun, but what I don’t understand is, why when (quite rightly) the lady who slapped the horse was sacked, all West Ham have said was that they “have spoken to him and will deal with internally”.

This is horrendous! The poor cat

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Katie2017 · 11/02/2022 16:32

Yes, @Katie2017 - I have the same experience and although there are women who actively dislike cats, I have met far more men (yes yes NAMALT, most men are decent). When I worked with children in psychiatric wards, the majority of the ones who had abused animals were boys and the victims were usually cats. You only had to look at Twitter to see how many men were saying they hate cats.

@Wheresmywoolyjumpers That is very interesting (and worrying). Props to you for doing that job-I couldn't! I remember I used to read up about serial killers and yes they would often be cruel to their cat or neighbourhood cats. Horrible.

Yeh you definitely get a good idea online of how some men feel-especially when they can be anonymous. Not all of them are as stupid as this footballer in openly showing their hate towards cats.

TheOnlyMrsMac · 11/02/2022 19:23

Very pleased to see that Keir Starmer has said he thinks Zouma should be suspended by West Ham.

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/02/2022 20:12

Suspended? He ought to be sacked.

purplehairlady · 11/02/2022 20:16

So much hypocrisy.

What's the difference between this and crushing male baby chicks as they have no use for the food industry (for those who are veggie) & other horrible practices in the animal food industry?

What's the difference between this and whipping horses during horse racing to make them go faster??

Hate how selective the British public is with animal cruelty!

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/02/2022 20:18

It’s perfectly possible to think each and every one of those things are equally despicable. Lots of people do. It’s not just you.

foxlover47 · 11/02/2022 20:32

All I know is from a young age I was told never ever trust or like a person who is cruel to animals and that advice has never been wrong
I gave up meat and dairy as I didn't want to be a hypocrite and was sad hearing about how the poor animals scream at the slaughterhouse as they know , if I can't kill my dinner then what am I doing eating it
I hope this prick is never allowed to own a pet again

Furries · 12/02/2022 00:12

@purplehairlady

So much hypocrisy.

What's the difference between this and crushing male baby chicks as they have no use for the food industry (for those who are veggie) & other horrible practices in the animal food industry?

What's the difference between this and whipping horses during horse racing to make them go faster??

Hate how selective the British public is with animal cruelty!

Whilst I understand your thinking and feeling re this, your point is never going to work. Not by doing it in the way that you and other posters have tried.

Humans have hunted, farmed, processed and eaten meat for thousands of years. There is no getting away from that fact.

Alongside that, there are other species of animals that humans have fostered relationships with - in the very early days, because those animals provided a service (again, taking advantage of what they had to offer). And then moving into scenarios where the animal is more important than the service it once provided.

On the basic level, I completely understand your thinking. You are, essentially, right. But you aren’t going to change peoples minds by trying to convince on a thread like this.

This thread is about a domestic pet, supposedly “loved and cherished” by the family of the accused. People are going to be reacting in relation to their relationship with their own pets.

I think you do have valid points, but there need to be more threads regarding those issues. Trying to raise them on this type of thread can often result in a negative impact.

Does that make me a hypocrite? Yes, it does. But I’m not going to feel shite about standing up for an animal that is supposed to be part of a loving family and is then treated like shit.

Berating people for caring about something but not caring about other things is, in my mind, counter-productive. Hopefully, those caring feelings eventually lead elsewhere. But whataboutery on the subject of pets isn’t going to help things.

StrawberryPot · 12/02/2022 05:15

Extremely well said Furries.

MandyCarter · 12/02/2022 08:58

Well said @Furries

TheOnlyMrsMac · 12/02/2022 10:58

Petition update: nearing 325,000 on Change

Coronawireless · 12/02/2022 13:22

@StrawberryPot

Have signed this. Thank you.
theneverendinglaundry · 12/02/2022 13:24

@purplehairlady

So much hypocrisy.

What's the difference between this and crushing male baby chicks as they have no use for the food industry (for those who are veggie) & other horrible practices in the animal food industry?

What's the difference between this and whipping horses during horse racing to make them go faster??

Hate how selective the British public is with animal cruelty!

Completely agree with you.

In this day and age, in western society we have the privilege of choice. We can choose not to keep animals in barbaric conditions and wreck the planet in the process. We can choose to give every species of animal the respect they deserve.

Furries · 12/02/2022 13:46

Seriously, please stop with the whataboutery. Start a new thread highlighting the issues. You are NOT going to change minds by hijacking threads regarding pets. The only thing you achieve on a thread like this is to piss people off - which is not the result you’re looking for.

Furries · 12/02/2022 13:47

And, before the accusations come, I’m not being “thread police”. I’m pointing out that these posts are counter-productive re what you’re trying to achieve.

FireMeetGasoline · 12/02/2022 13:54

Whilst I totally agree with you @purplehairlady, I made the connection. I've always been an animal lover, and when I first became vegan, I was so passionate to pass on the information I had learned to others, that I know I came across as pious and angry. I wasn't either btw, just extremely fervent. I realised that this got people's 'backs up' and was not a good way to promote living a life of excluding animal cruelty and exploitation.

Prior to being vegan, I would hope that my response to yours would've been very similar to @Furries. I think their response is extremely fair, calm and actually shows that they have thought a lot about animal welfare and the circumstances involved in the meat, dairy and egg industry.

I'm not an apologist and I'm not not vocal about veganism, especially when I get asked questions or have the opportunity to talk about it in a gentle way. I find that this helps people to make a connection between their morals and the conflict caused by their actions. From Furries post, it really does sound that in the future, they may start their own journey to leading a life that excludes all animal exploitation. I obviously hope they do, and would wish them all the best with that.

purplehairlady · 12/02/2022 14:30

@Furries

Seriously, please stop with the whataboutery. Start a new thread highlighting the issues. You are NOT going to change minds by hijacking threads regarding pets. The only thing you achieve on a thread like this is to piss people off - which is not the result you’re looking for.
It's not whataboutery- for the reasons I stated, I actually DON'T think Zouma should lose his job over the video, and I find it hypocritical that many of you non-vegetarians are selectively "outraged".

Also, people should bear in mind that culturally many British people are animal lovers and give animals almost an "above human" status (e.g. more sympathy for those dogs stuck in Afghanistan rather than actual people), so that's the skewed lens people like you continue to look through.

Similar hypocrisy when Brits are outraged that some people in China eat dogs, but themselves eat so many other animals (and may even hunt others).

purplehairlady · 12/02/2022 14:33

@Furries

And, before the accusations come, I’m not being “thread police”. I’m pointing out that these posts are counter-productive re what you’re trying to achieve.
And my point becomes even more valid when people on the thread are signing petitions to criminally prosecute him.

Absolutely ridiculous for the reasons I've stated.

Just because you treat your pet like your child, doesn't mean that it actually is one! Do people on this thread then think the law should give pets special protection that farm animals don't get?? No one thinks logically.

ilovesooty · 12/02/2022 14:54

West Ham appear to have lied. The RSPCA say that no arrangement has been made by West Ham regarding animal welfare courses and they haven't received any donation either.

Furries · 12/02/2022 15:16

@FireMeetGasoline - thank you for your post. It’s thoughtful and measured and that type of approach helps me much more with regards to thoughts I’ve been having for a while.

@purplehairlady - with no respect whatsoever, fuck off. If becoming vegetarian/vegan means becoming a twat then you’re doing a great job of discouraging me.

FWIW, I definitely don’t treat my pets like children - and I don’t like it when people do so. Though, on balance, I’d find that preferable to someone treating a pet like Zouma did IN FRONT of a child.

Furries · 12/02/2022 15:18

@ilovesooty

West Ham appear to have lied. The RSPCA say that no arrangement has been made by West Ham regarding animal welfare courses and they haven't received any donation either.
TBF, West Ham did not say which charity/charities the money would be donated to. And I’d imagine that paying money to the RSPCA, before the investigation is concluded, could be problematic for all concerned. It would not be a good look if they were seen to be being “bought off”. I’m going to reserve judgement on the charity payments until a later date.
ABitBesottedWithMyDog · 12/02/2022 15:40

Tbh I thought the same, Furries. How could West Ham pay what would look like a bribe to the people investigating them?Confused

ilovesooty · 12/02/2022 16:23

@ABitBesottedWithMyDog

Tbh I thought the same, Furries. How could West Ham pay what would look like a bribe to the people investigating them?Confused
In that case I look forward to hearing from an animal charity that has received a donation from the club.
Appletreechocolatecake · 12/02/2022 16:28

Agree purplehairlady. The hypocrisy on this thread is sickening.

There is NO DIFFERENCE between the cruelty shown to the cats and the violent, torturous cruelty enacted on the animals you eat. Whether it’s the pig that was immersed alive in scalding water for your ham sandwich, the chicken who lived in shit and amongst the dead bodies of other chickens whilst being unable to stand upright for your chicken salad or the cow who was stabbed and skinned alive.

Learn some compassion for all animals, not just the cute furry ones. If not, at least own your hypocrisy. If you eat meat you are paying to support far worse animal cruelty than the cruelty shown to the cat.

ilovesooty · 12/02/2022 16:29

More whataboutery.

Fridafever · 12/02/2022 16:45

Learn some compassion for all animals, not just the cute furry ones. If not, at least own your hypocrisy

This reminds me of the people who call vegans hypocrites because they don’t care about all the animals (insects, small mammals , amphibians) who die when fields are ploughed.

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