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Should people be able to officially identify as whatever they like?

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Whatdidisay · 07/02/2022 22:38

With the news that Bristol university has issues guidance to staff on the correct use of pronouns for students identifying as cats (catgender) has it now gone too far?
Surely if someone seriously believes they are a cat, then they need a doctor and a reality check not pronouns and validation?

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FOJN · 08/02/2022 23:19

He also said that a boy in their class was suspended because he barked at them at school !!

Is that true or rumour? I'm only asking because I really need it to be made up bollocks. If it's true then things are even worse than I thought and I thought they were pretty bad.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 08/02/2022 23:57

I don't understand how "cat" is a gender though?

Of course, it isn't; but I think the main issue is that 'gender' has crept and become a byword and a passport for claiming identity 'rights', with hardly anybody stopping to ask why this is the case. Linguistically, it's a bit like the 'oholism' on the end of 'alcoholism', where the suffix is clearly just 'ism', but lazy people decided to add on most of the word 'alcohol' and then nonsensically apply it to make words like 'chocoholism' and 'workoholism'.

It was originally (many would say deliberately) merged to be used as a synonym for 'sex', with it paradoxically retaining its own very subjective flexibility of social nuance, yet also sailing on the coat-tails of the objectively defined 'sex' when it came to declaring it as established undisputable fact.

Once enough activists gained enough ground in redefining the word 'gender' and mangling it into a powerful force for propaganda, they'd have been stupid to try to re-invent the wheel and not use it as a verbal talisman with which to beat people with associated assertions that 'this is fact' (because it's been associated with the newspeak definition of 'gender'), even when defending the most absurd concepts imaginable - many of which have no relationship with sex or sexuality at all.

Saying "I identify as/think I'm a cat" will rightly draw derision and/or offers of mental health treatment; but if you cloak it in that magic suffix and say "I am catgender" then it becomes something that everybody is gaslighted into simply accepting and nobody is allowed to question it - or the brave ones who nevertheless do question it can be safely dismissed as somethingorotherphobes, which makes them instantly the bad guy.

The pronouns we use for an individual are based on their gender and although we may assume a person’s gender based on their name, appearance, voice, or expression, and assume which pronouns to use for them, this may not always be correct.

I've been a native English speaker for over 40 years and I've never used sex-based pronouns to relate to anybody's arbitrary idea of gender - and I don't believe I'm rare in this. For centuries, somebody would introduce their new baby boy or girl and (nice) people would respond with "Oh, HE [or] SHE is beautiful, based solely on the baby's sex."

If it were true that the pronouns we use are based on gender - a fluid social identity and self-expression system (often based around sexuality, attraction and other mature impetuses) - and not biological sex: male or female, everybody would refer to a known, born, individual baby as 'they' for many years until they could have a hope of knowing what that individual's 'preferred gender identity' had been decided as.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 08/02/2022 23:59

He also said that a boy in their class was suspended because he barked at them at school !!

Did nobody reach the 'obvious' conclusion that he must be doggender? Punishing him for his individual gender identity must be a disgraceful phobic act, mustn't it....?

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ExtraPlinky · 09/02/2022 06:35

@AnSionnachGlic

This actually happened in our local school last November. Twin girls ( 14 Yr old) were identifying as cats, and went around school/ town with cat ears and licking eachother! I saw them down town and thought it was a Halloween costume. Apparently the teachers were informed by their parents of their wishes. My son is in another school in the town and shrugged when I asked him, and said that's what they want. He also said that a boy in their class was suspended because he barked at them at school !! Most of us parents really think that things have gone too far, and those girls should really be getting psychological help and not entertaining this nonsense. The world really has gone mad!
What are the parents doing to counteract this ideological brainwashing? Because unless enough parents step up and complain it will get worse. It's already gotten worse.
FindingMeno · 09/02/2022 06:44

I'm just not doing it.
If someone looks like a bloke I'll call him he. If someone looks like a woman I'll call her she.
If anyone wants to identify as a cat, I'll use my best judgement as to he or she.
I can't be doing with it all.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 09/02/2022 11:17

What are the parents doing to counteract this ideological brainwashing? Because unless enough parents step up and complain it will get worse.

I agree. If somebody is already this far along a downward MH spiral, when would they step in and say that enough is enough? If they actually start wanting to eat cat food, pooing in neighbours' gardens, running right in front of fast cars, scratching at people's faces?

I really wish I were joking here, but I'm genuinely not: it's like the old one about boiling a frog without it realising, by very slowly warming up the saucepan that you've put it in.

2X4B523P · 09/02/2022 11:49

@MostIneptThatEverStepped

I do apologise for mis-German Sheparding you there.

I meant this one.

Sorry @MostIneptThatEverStepped, only just checked back into this thread and it’s a good job I did. You’ve clearly admitted to mis German shepherding me, word is they are going to throw the book at you, followed by the bookcase, followed by the library brick by brick.
MagpiePi · 09/02/2022 16:30

@WackyDuck

Taking this to the next level, all cat flaps would need to be larger to allow those identifying as cats to have access. Anything less would be invalidating.
Or the cat person has to sit and wait outside the door until someone opens it for them. And then they can spend 5 minutes looking and then decide not to go through it . And then miaow for it to be opened again as soon as it is shut.
WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 09/02/2022 17:48

Am I the only person now remembering Goodness Gracious Me, where they got burgled and realised that the burglar must have got in via the cow-flap, that covered the bottom two-thirds of the front door?! Grin

tillytoodles1 · 09/02/2022 18:12

What happens when you're not well, do you se a Dr or a vet?

MostIneptThatEverStepped · 09/02/2022 22:14

@2X4B523P

....followed by every last scrap of our sanity 😄

VerveClique · 10/02/2022 08:19

@tillytoodles1 a doctor… because you know… biological reality and all that Confused

2X4B523P · 10/02/2022 18:19

Do these cat people follow the teachings of Cloister the stupid, the Holy Poppadum, who was frozen in time so that they may live? Do they wear the holy custard stains and gravy marks? If not then they will not make it to the promised land of Fuchal, they won’t be able to visit the temple of food and wear the hats of green.

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