ANY NURSES PLEASE - QUESTION

[curtainchops]

Hi,
A question to any nurses here please ?

Are you allowed to treat a family member at home ?
ie; they're ill with Covid and you put them on a nebuliser and a Sats reader.

Thanks

Do you think now knowing he didnt want to go to hospital and had underlying health conditions maybe she was carrying out his wishes and has done nothing wrong. Unless she stole the oxygen tanks, masks, nebulisers, nebulsier kit and a sats probe.

You should not prescribe to a relative.

And, clearly she went agains this wishes by calling an ambulance if he still had capacity to state this or if it was an advanced wish.

I’m sorry for your loss.

@BarrowInFurnessRailwayStation

He was unvaccinated, had a history of heart disease and was refusing to go to hospital?

I hope you're not considering reporting his partner to the NMC out of revenge because you don't like her. That wouldn't be very nice would it?

She wasn't even at work when these events took place.

No, not out of revenge.

She's already in deep anyway, without me adding to it....

We do not know what was prescribed
If he was blue and slumped I doubt he had capacity to refuse at that particular time, he may have refused before but not calling an ambulance when he was unconcious may have then involved the police if he hadnt seen a doctor recently or had a advance directive

If she is already in deep as you say then let whoever is investigaring just do their job

@MayThePawsBeWithYou

We do not know what was prescribed If he was blue and slumped I doubt he had capacity to refuse at that particular time, he may have refused before but not calling an ambulance when he was unconcious may have then involved the police if he hadnt seen a doctor recently or had a advance directive

No, but I am awaiting speaking to the ICU matron, so i'll be asking questions.

She was administering unprescribed medication or treatments?

I appreciate you are upset but if your starting position is "I would have taken him to hospital against his wishes"... That would be an assault and the hospital would not have been able to treat him if he didn't want to be there unless he met the threshold for not having capacity. You might need to understand consent before you can judge what his partner/carer could have and should have done.

What answers do you hope the matron will have, does this nurse work in that ITU

In deep how? What do you mean?

@BarrowInFurnessRailwayStation

She was administering unprescribed medication or treatments?

I think this is probably the crux of the issue. It doesnt sound like she did anything else wrong.

Im not sure the ICU Matron will have many answers tbh.

Unless you are nok it may well be that the information you receive is limited. A HCP is unlikely to make any judgement as to what happened before admission. Nok can apply for a copy of his notes as a DSAR.

I thiught he was just on oxygen not nebs, which may have been prescribed.

An ICU "matron" won't have much info on what happened pre admission.

So she administered 02 and nebs which may or may not have been prescribed?

@LIZS

Unless you are nok it may well be that the information you receive is limited. A HCP is unlikely to make any judgement as to what happened before admission. Nok can apply for a copy of his notes as a DSAR.

Yes, this is happening.

An icu matron will not know what happened in the home unless the nurse gave that information, unless the nurse works in that icu and is being investigated which would be confidential. The icu staff will only know what they were told and by their own assessment of the patient on admission. A nurse is unlikely to discuss this with a relative, it would be a doctor.

@BarrowInFurnessRailwayStation

So she administered 02 and nebs which may or may not have been prescribed?

Possibly. I can't say for definite, these are questions I want answered but I cannot speak directly to her.

I didn't come here to blame her, I just wanted some professional advice from actual Nurses perse.

@MayThePawsBeWithYou

An icu matron will not know what happened in the home unless the nurse gave that information, unless the nurse works in that icu and is being investigated which would be confidential. The icu staff will only know what they were told and by their own assessment of the patient on admission. A nurse is unlikely to discuss this with a relative, it would be a doctor.

Yes, the ICU matron is just regarding his treatment whilst in the Hospital, but would she know or answer whether he came in at the right time ?

Unless he didn't want to, but who knows what they want when they're already seriously ill ?

How will matron be able to answer these questions and why cant you ask her yourself

No she wont know, how could she, she has no idea how he was at home . Sorry this has happened to him which has affected you.

Is someone already investigating her? You said previously she's "in deep", does this mean someone is already addressing your concerns?

Nok can apply for a copy of his notes as a DSAR

This is incorrect. The executor can apply for access to a person's medical records. There is no automatic right for the nok.

@Daisy95

Also the fact he was in hospital ward for 7 days before going into itu I don't believe him getting to hospital sooner would have changed anything. Yes maybe if he'd have gone straight to itu from admission if he'd have gone in sooner something could have been different. But 7 days in hospital before itu unfortunately I don't think anything could have been done

Agreed

Unless he didn't want to, but who knows what they want when they're already seriously ill

People can still have capacity while they are seriously ill.

Is it possible he already had a nebuliser because of his previous health conditions?