Another Bloody Downing Street party

[JustJam4Tea]

So hours after telling us to only meet one other person outside from a different household 100 invited to Downing Street BYO in the garden.

It was unlawful to mix outside. If my employer had invited 100 staff to a garden party we’d have all been arrested.

I agree with most of this. Why did people not visit their lonely relatives at home?

Why do you think?

They stood on door steps and looked through windows because they had been told that to do otherwise would risk their relatives lives, and that it was against the law.

People sat alone at funerals and were unvisited in hospitals because there was no other choice.

@IntermittentParps

Honestly, if you chose to stay away rather than visit a relative in need because the govt told you to then you are as bad as Boris and his lies..because you both lack empathy and humanity. That is an odious thing to say about people who stayed away from relatives in need. We all did it because we believed that these measures were contributing to stopping/minimising the effects of Covid. People didn't stay away willingly, or because they 'lack empathy and humanity'. How dare you say that about people who had loved ones suffer and die?

well remember how Rees-Mogg told us we were fucking idiots for following official advice ?

I'm going to guess that as this storm in a teacup (because it wont' change anything) progresses, the government will start to slide a "if you followed the rules it's your fault" suggestion. As seen on this very thread

We've already seen it with Brexit, as the problems start to mount up. It's "don't blame us, we're just doing what you wanted".

@Peregrina

Some elderly relatives were in Care Homes and weren't allowed admission by the Home. That's why they didn't visit, or just waved at them through windows.

I know. It was bloody cruel. What I mean is that nothing would have stopped me visiting my elderly father if he was still alive. People were washing their shopping. Did the Govt tell them to do that? I wish BJ would just resign. I doubt he cares either way

@SerendipityJane, foxes and scorpions, well said and so true

I'm going to guess that as this storm in a teacup (because it wont' change anything) progresses, the government will start to slide a "if you followed the rules it's your fault" suggestion. As seen on this very thread

But when a recent jury decided that it had a mind of its own and acquitted 4 people, the Tories were frothing at the mouth - even though the acquittal was perfectly legal. These parties weren't.

And let’s not forget that many more people died of Covid, with all the restrictions, than do in a ‘bad flu year’ with no restrictions. Let’s also not forget how bad things were in hospitals and how many healthcare workers didn’t have effective PPE, and died.

But when a recent jury decided that it had a mind of its own and acquitted 4 people, the Tories were frothing at the mouth - even though the acquittal was perfectly legal. These parties weren't.

Very true.

@Peregrina

I'm going to guess that as this storm in a teacup (because it wont' change anything) progresses, the government will start to slide a "if you followed the rules it's your fault" suggestion. As seen on this very thread

But when a recent jury decided that it had a mind of its own and acquitted 4 people, the Tories were frothing at the mouth - even though the acquittal was perfectly legal. These parties weren't.

I'm too old and have seen too much shit to think this is going to change much. Most of the people venting here are responsible for the current government (whether they know it or not) and will happily go on to ensure we have the same again whenever (or if ever) they get the chance.

Maybe as yet unborn grandchildren in 18 years or so may change things. I can't seem much in the meantime.

What I mean is that nothing would have stopped me visiting my elderly father if he was still alive.

Even if you had reason to believe your visit would kill him?

How dare people on here say that following the rules back then were stupid ! How fucking dare they ! :(
.. just when I thought that people couldn't go any lower.
The care home or hospital wouldn't let people in anyway, so how do they square that one ?

SerendipityJane, I don't disagree about Rees-Mogg, or that it won't change anything, or on how the government will spin it.

I am still calling out Nidan2Sandan for their comments, however, because they're vile whatever else is going on.

@merrymouse

What I mean is that nothing would have stopped me visiting my elderly father if he was still alive.

Even if you had reason to believe your visit would kill him?

Getting CV is not a death sentence. People not visiting would have killed him. He loved social interaction. The mental decline would have been horrendous. Anyway this is all speculation

Stop blaming people for following laws.

I did visit my lonely Dad. Drove 2 hours, sat in his garden until we were too cold to sit there for longer and drove home again.

I'm not bloody taking the flack for Johnson's blatant disregard (and that's not speculation) for the rules he imposed on the rest of us.

@derxa I know four people who died of covid. Honestly how bloody dare you.
I couldn't go to a funeral because the numbers were restricted. Should I have ignored that and forced my way into the chapel?

What I mean is that nothing would have stopped me visiting my elderly father if he was still alive.

How would you have got past the hospital or care home security guards? What a horrible thing to say.

Meanwhile the worst dirt that anyone’s managed to dig up on Starmer is that he bought a field next to his mum’s house to house rescue donkeys.

Getting CV is not a death sentence.

I think you have selective memory. This was only 2 months into the pandemic, and with the information that we had then, for many elderly people it was. Statistics like a 1 in 10 chance of dying if over 80 were suggested. The Nightingale hospitals had only just opened.

Yes, loneliness and lack of contact with medical services did prove deadly for many. That doesn’t mean those people weren’t loved or that their relatives weren’t trying to do their best.

My father had a major operation in the first lockdown. No I did not visit him at home as he was told that if he recovered he should live another ten years, but that if he got covid then, he would probably die. I was one of the plebs still having to go into work and unsurprisingly did not want to kill my father.

Although I know some of the vile people on this thread would have just trotted out...people die all the time.
Some of you are just horrible people.

@getsanta

What I mean is that nothing would have stopped me visiting my elderly father if he was still alive.

How would you have got past the hospital or care home security guards? What a horrible thing to say.

Oh don't be silly. i have every sympathy for people who couldn't get into institutions to see relatives

And derxa you might be thinking ‘what does it matter if you are over 80 and die?’, but where do you die? At home, very painfully, with no care or in hospital, and if in hospital who cares for you? With what resources?

Should people have rammed open the doors of the care homes ?
They would have been arrested , unlike the ones who did break their own rules

@AllThePogs

Although I know some of the vile people on this thread would have just trotted out...people die all the time. Some of you are just horrible people.

^this

"If you make the rules you lead from the front."
Exactly. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to be a leader.

I have read some callous posters on MN, but derxa takes the biscuit.
What about the 13 year old who died alone in hospital? Do you think the parents are to blame for that as well?